Image Designer Archive
Thread: A rant on ID's from a non-ID
FuschiaD
Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:15 am
#14
If the client won't pay the required amount, that is what the cancel button is for.
If you are accepting without putting money into the 'required credits' slot, then you are as much to blame as the client is. Now that we have a secure payment method, we are all equally responsible for making sure we don't get gypped.
Message Edited by FuschiaD on 09-06-2004 08:17 AM
ToppDog
Mon Sep 06, 2004 12:31 pm
#15
Sorry to hear that. It's a pretty lame thing to do, but somehow I still think SOE has part of the blame in things like this going on in our profession. Before Stat Migration & the like came along, the true ID's (not the holo-grinders) did this profession because they likedbeing creative& because they liked helping other players out in achieving a good look. It was never really about money, & most of us would probably have been happier with added hairstyles etc. & being poor, than with what we got as an alternative.
As far as I can see it, adding in Stat Migrations attracted a new kind of player to the profession that we didn't really have before. Some players are going ID mainly to make money performing Stat Migrations & aren't as interested in the creative side of the profession. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but it's still "different" from those who were drawn to it when there was no real rewardbesides having another good looking player walk around because of you.
It could be that he was stir crazy waiting for that timer to count down & was playing around with your looks out of boredom & forgot what they were originally set at...oops. It could also be that he was trying to slip in a few extra changes to get a boost in xp...who knows. Either way, sorry it happened.
BTW...this is just one more reason why we need to be given our numbers back...
Message Edited by ToppDog on 09-06-2004 12:34 AM
Reachwind
Tue Sep 07, 2004 8:02 am
#16
When I image design someone I only ever do what is asked. I set the price and only accept the changes once the price box has been filled or a tip is made to me for that amount or greater.
I can't see what is "funny" about making changes to a person without their approval. As always keep a list of trusted people to buy changes from and only use them.
As for a way to code it so this type of thing isn't possible... The easiest way to do this would be for any area that gets a change show up highlighted. For instance if I change stats the advanced tab would change color then I click that tab and see the stat migrate box highlighted. Likewise if I changed lip color that box would be highlighted and the color picked would be highlighted etc.
Erann
Tue Sep 07, 2004 8:32 am
#17
Shame on all you for messing u p people looks because of the armor bug.
you should enough honor and respect to tell them /sit then /logout
FuschiaD
Tue Sep 07, 2004 9:12 am
#18
Since the change in the UI, ID's no longer have any excuse for getting stiffed, in my opinion. We have a secure payment method in the interface now, so we are just as responsible for garnering payment as the client. If I choose not to put anything into the required payment slot, then I have no right to expect money at the end of the session, because I am not REQUIRING payment. That's just my opinion.
SakeO
Tue Sep 07, 2004 10:32 am
#19
I am sorry this happened to you but, by not wanting to log off and rectify the bug, You sort of gave up your protection. The bug should be fixed and the joker ID was wrong but, the view in the window is your way to check that all has been done correctly. Especially when dealing with an ID you do not know, accepting changes blindly is a recipe for disaster. Few reputable IDs will mind if you want to correct the bug first. At the worst, I might take the next person in line while you rectify it, if it is busy.
Chasing Amy - Bria
FuschiaD
Tue Sep 07, 2004 11:01 am
#20
SakeO wrote:
I am sorry this happened to you but, by not wanting to log off and rectify the bug, You sort of gave up your protection. The bug should be fixed and the joker ID was wrong but, the view in the window is your way to check that all has been done correctly. Especially when dealing with an ID you do not know, accepting changes blindly is a recipe for disaster. Few reputable IDs will mind if you want to correct the bug first. At the worst, I might take the next person in line while you rectify it, if it is busy.
All this might fly if the person were getting cosmetic changes. She wasn't. She was getting a stat migration. She is not to be blamed for being a victim of a bug. NO ID HAS THE RIGHT TO DO THIS. Period. I don't care what the circumstances are.
Magdallenna
Tue Sep 07, 2004 2:32 pm
#21
SakeO wrote:
I am sorry this happened to you but, by not wanting to log off and rectify the bug, You sort of gave up your protection.
Forgive my ignorance here...I need to be protected from ID's? So ID's are so untrustworthy that I should take precautions before I enter the tent? Or I should just grind out an ID of my own on an alt and make sure my guild only uses them, because ID's are so unethical?
*frown*
Mags
Mawie
Tue Sep 07, 2004 4:01 pm
#22
Magdallenna wrote:
SakeO wrote:
I am sorry this happened to you but, by not wanting to log off and rectify the bug, You sort of gave up your protection.
Forgive my ignorance here...I need to be protected from ID's? So ID's are so untrustworthy that I should take precautions before I enter the tent? Or I should just grind out an ID of my own on an alt and make sure my guild only uses them, because ID's are so unethical?
*frown*
Mags
While is stinks hardcore that the ID messed with how you look, obviously the statement you made aboveis unfair. I forget who said it earlier, but there are bad eggs in EVERY profession. We've all seen the doctors who charge 30k for buffs, merchants who resell for obscene prices, CHs who use pet exploits. Does that mean they all do? No. So the same would go for Image Designers.
If you want any amount of recourse, the nest think you could probably do is give this ID some bad publicity. Spread this ID's name around. Perhaps he or she will learn to not be a dumb tushy in regards to customers when their business slows down.
Vorpaks
Tue Sep 07, 2004 5:04 pm
#23
Magdallenna wrote:
SakeO wrote:I am sorry this happened to you but, by not wanting to log off and rectify the bug, You sort of gave up your protection.Forgive my ignorance here...I need to be protected from ID's? So ID's are so untrustworthy that I should take precautions before I enter the tent? Or I should just grind out an ID of my own on an alt and make sure my guild only uses them, because ID's are so unethical?*frown*Mags
That is something you will have to answer for yourself.
Was the master who changed you back unethical? Or just the guy who messed you up, and your friends who told you they would do the same? I wouldn't assume all riflemen are untrustworthy because one came along and kill-stole my prey, even though I know there are dozens of riflemen around who would do the same.
If I knew there was a simple precaution I could take to protect myself from being griefed I would take it. Unfortunately there isn't a way to keep people from stealing your kills. There is a way to prevent yourself from being griefed by an immature ID. If you don't want to do that, which is understandable, then I suggest you only use IDs you do trust.
And do not tell the master who fixed you up originally that you now believe all IDs to be untrustworthy. S/he would probably be hurt by your assessment. Unless s/he is one of the friends you were talking about, in which case I suggest you get new friends. They don't seem very trustworthy.
Kyree-Sunrunner
Tue Sep 07, 2004 5:56 pm
#24
Magdallenna wrote:
SakeO wrote:I am sorry this happened to you but, by not wanting to log off and rectify the bug, You sort of gave up your protection.Forgive my ignorance here...I need to be protected from ID's? So ID's are so untrustworthy that I should take precautions before I enter the tent? Or I should just grind out an ID of my own on an alt and make sure my guild only uses them, because ID's are so unethical?*frown*Mags
As someone mentioned earlier, there are jerks in every profession. I'd seriously recommend that you find an ID or two that you trust and go to them exclusively for all your work. If you know people who have had ID work done, ask them who did their work and if they are satisfied with their experience. If you have to get work done by an ID you don't know, then *please* take steps to protect yourself. If you notice changes that you didn't ask for, then cancel the session and find another ID.
Most of the people I've met, who are serious IDers, would be totally appalled at what happened to you. This person was totally unethical in their actions.
FuschiaD
Tue Sep 07, 2004 6:30 pm
#25
.....I could be totally wrong here. But I'm pretty sure that post Mag made was an attempt to point out how ridiculous the idea is that people NEED protection from ID's. Please don't jump down her throat for making it, I don't think she actually THINKS that.
Syzygy-Gorath
Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:54 am
#26
Magdallenna wrote:
SakeO wrote:
I am sorry this happened to you but, by not wanting to log off and rectify the bug, You sort of gave up your protection.
Forgive my ignorance here...I need to be protected from ID's? So ID's are so untrustworthy that I should take precautions before I enter the tent? Or I should just grind out an ID of my own on an alt and make sure my guild only uses them, because ID's are so unethical?
*frown*
Mags
I have to say, from some of the responses I'm seeing in this thread, yeah, I think maybe we are untrustworthy. I thought that at least the community on the forums was able to hold itself to a bettre standard than this, but if what I'm seeing here is indicative, maybe I was wrong.
To the IDs posting in this thread: if you honestly think that messing with a person's looks because they're wearing armor is okay, you make me sick. There are any number of reasons someone migt be wearing armor, and if you don't make it clear beforehand that this is not to your liking then you've no right to be upset. If it's because of a bug you damn sure have no right to be upset.
And to those of you saying that this may in some way be Mags' fault for not "taking precautions," I'm equally disgusted with you. Mags was subjected to a non-consentual invasion of her person; about as close to(edit: OMFG, it'sedited r-a-p-e)as you can get in this game. Would you say the same to a(edit: and it did it again)victim? And before you tell me "it's just a game, get over it," we both know that that's a cheap rationalization of a horrible breach of trust.
Mags, I hope you make that ID's name mud. And I hope your friends see the errors of their views before the same happens to them. I'm embarassed to share a mastery with anyone that would stoop so low.
Message Edited by Syzygy-Gorath on 09-08-2004 07:56 AM