Image Designer Archive
Thread: Quick note to the community
Go back and read that thread again. Notice how many of us said "…as long as they make us wanted, not needed" and quote that to me again. That's exactly the point—none of the problems that I (and from what I've seen, many of us) have with 8.1 are the actual abilities, they're the implementation. That's what we've been arguing the entire time, and that's what we've continually been ignored on.
Mawie wrote:
/sigh
This is my point. The Image Designer boards have become a cespool of negativity, and it is unnecessary for us to act this way. Yeah, I'm not thrilled by the changes... but I am not going to be part of the problem by repeatedly whining that the devs and Kwee hate us.
In closing... I leave you with a link to this thread... http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=image_designer&message.id=9639&highlight=stat+migration#M9639
/shrug
Mawie wrote:
I'm sorry, but your justifications for being able to act in a spiteful way are part of the problem.
All Kwee wants from us is civility... why is that so hard for some people? And don't give me the weak answer that we had this time and ability thrust upon us and it is killingyour game... that above link I gave was evidence that some people were cool with the idea before implementation.
Whatever. If acting like a kvetch makes you feel better, go ahead. No one can stop you.
Message Edited by Syzygy-Gorath on 06-18-2004 01:08 PM
Kwee wrote:
Would you speak to the devs like you are in some posts to their faces?
We have in the past prided ourselves in being a tight-knit, constructive, fun community and I'm just not seeing that much lately.
Who's with me?Message Edited by Kwee on 06-18-2004 09:51 AM
I would LOVE the opportunity tell Runesaber what I think about his revamp...in person and face-to-face.
Of course we're a damaged community now. The developers have, imo, adopted the Mushroom Management approach to game development. Keep them in the dark and feed them ****.
I'll be with you after the developers take some concrete action to fix the problems they've created. Apparently sometime this winter after publishes 9 & 10, combat rebalance, JTLS, smuggler revamp...
So insulting someone and calling them derogatory names is not negativity..an interesting viewpoint. At no time did anyone resort to calling you names...or demeaned your right to express an opinion. For someone so interested in civility that is an interesting double standard.
Message Edited by DrkSensei on 06-18-200401:08 PM
Message Edited by DrkSensei on 06-18-2004 01:08 PM
Um, I never said "You're a Kvetch" to anyone. It was more of a general people are gonna kvetch statement and there is nothing I can do about it. No denying that. 
And the disagreement we are having is more along the lines where we see where the other person is coming from (trust me, I do). I just think getting mad over it is beat.
And I should guess the person who thinks I have double standards one starred me. Honestly, the starring system means crap to me. One star away, el one star bandits. I five star everything to boost egos, personally.
Again, I respectfully disagree. The devs flat out stated they expected negative feedback on the stat migration change in particular. I maintain that if we go back to how we were we just say to them "you were right. In the end, we're sheep and we'll only bleat for but so long before we forget and munch happilly from your hand again." Not me. I will continue to tell them the decision was a bad one, and if I have to I'll do it in an unconstructive way—because I've tried time and again being constructive with no apreciable outcome…so why bother?
Mawie wrote:
And the disagreement we are having is more along the lines where we see where the other person is coming from (trust me, I do). I just think getting mad over it is beat.
Syzygy-Gorath wrote:
Again, I respectfully disagree. The devs flat out stated they expected negative feedback on the stat migration change in particular. I maintain that if we go back to how we were we just say to them "you were right. In the end, we're sheep and we'll only bleat for but so long before we forget and munch happilly from your hand again." Not me. I will continue to tell them the decision was a bad one, and if I have to I'll do it in an unconstructive way—because I've tried time and again being constructive with no apreciable outcome…so why bother?
Mawie wrote:
And the disagreement we are having is more along the lines where we see where the other person is coming from (trust me, I do). I just think getting mad over it is beat.
Well, then this brings up the point... if they aren't listening to you EITHER way (constructive OR not), then why bother at all? Honestly. I long ago realized that I mean NOTHING to SOE... so why should I get worked up over something I have no control over? I dunno, when I see those posts where people are leaving the game because SOE is horrible to them, how much do you thinkthe devs or the big guyscare? I would guess not much. A lost $15 here and there isn't going to break them.
This comes down to the point that they cannot please everybody. In fact, in this case, they have magnaminously displeased 95% of the player base. That sucks, I agree. However, the only way Sony is gonna take the hint that they messed up is if EVERY LAST PLAYER cancles their account and stops playing... and honestly, what are the chances of that? Especially over a profession that most people have little regard for to begin with.
Funny, that sounds pretty negative to me…actually, it sounds a lot like what I've been saying. Maybe we're not so different after all.
Mawie wrote:
Well, then this brings up the point... if they aren't listening to you EITHER way (constructive OR not), then why bother at all? Honestly. I long ago realized that I mean NOTHING to SOE... so why should I get worked up over something I have no control over? I dunno, when I see those posts where people are leaving the game because SOE is horrible to them, how much do you thinkthe devs or the big guyscare? I would guess not much. A lost $15 here and there isn't going to break them.
This comes down to the point that they cannot please everybody. In fact, in this case, they have magnaminously displeased 95% of the player base. That sucks, I agree. However, the only way Sony is gonna take the hint that they messed up is if EVERY LAST PLAYER cancles their account and stops playing... and honestly, what are the chances of that? Especially over a profession that most people have little regard for to begin with.
Syzygy-Gorath wrote:
Funny, that sounds pretty negative to me…actually, it sounds a lot like what I've been saying. Maybe we're not so different after all.
Mawie wrote:
Well, then this brings up the point... if they aren't listening to you EITHER way (constructive OR not), then why bother at all? Honestly. I long ago realized that I mean NOTHING to SOE... so why should I get worked up over something I have no control over? I dunno, when I see those posts where people are leaving the game because SOE is horrible to them, how much do you thinkthe devs or the big guyscare? I would guess not much. A lost $15 here and there isn't going to break them.
This comes down to the point that they cannot please everybody. In fact, in this case, they have magnaminously displeased 95% of the player base. That sucks, I agree. However, the only way Sony is gonna take the hint that they messed up is if EVERY LAST PLAYER cancles their account and stops playing... and honestly, what are the chances of that? Especially over a profession that most people have little regard for to begin with.
LOL... told ya.
I just try to be positive and constructive.