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Thread: A 30 Sec time limit period for any change is MAX what it should be.. Let your words be heard here!

Cry4Dawn
Thu May 13, 2004 7:29 am
#14

Forget about masters, master should have Zero time because they arent grinding.. This should be a bounus because your master, NO TIME. But for those who arent master 30 sec time frame



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dylan_1988
Thu May 13, 2004 7:58 am
#15

I agree 5 mins for a simple change is to long so I /sign for 30 seconds and would like to add lower the time for stats migration to 5 mins.



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Syzygy-Gorath
Thu May 13, 2004 8:05 am
#16

I'm all for cosmetic (i.e. everything but stat migration) having a shorter timer. I am not, however, for stat migration being any faster. In fact, I'd like to see it take about 2 hours for the stats to fully migrate. In my opinion, any time shorter than that is exploitable. With that said, I do not want to see either the designer or the client locked in an ID window for that time…perhaps keep the initial change activation of stat migration on the same timer and then have the stats migrate over time at an accelerated rate over what was previously in place.


Then again, I'd much rather be able to commit changes as soon as I can click all the right options in the UI and simply have the wait be after the changes have been committed, in much the same way that medics have to wait after performing a heal.




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Valaxis
Thu May 13, 2004 8:11 am
#17

Two hours for stat migration is fine as long as we don't have to sit around with that session open for two hours!


Honestly the five minutes doesn't bother me as long as it's for body changes. But 5 mins for an eye color change? Shouldn't that fit in with cosmetics?


I do agree with a master ID time shortening. What's the point of us having to wait? Not like we're grinding xp anymore so there's no reason to hinder business.





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Syzygy-Gorath
Thu May 13, 2004 8:20 am
#18






Valaxis wrote:

Two hours for stat migration is fine as long as we don't have to sit around with that session open for two hours!


Honestly the five minutes doesn't bother me as long as it's for body changes. But 5 mins for an eye color change? Shouldn't that fit in with cosmetics?


I do agree with a master ID time shortening. What's the point of us having to wait? Not like we're grinding xp anymore so there's no reason to hinder business.








Actually, there is. As much as I hate the timers and it would help me personally to have them removed for masters…I'm against the idea. It would only further disadvantage up-and-coming IDs and make it that much harder to "play" the profession instead of "grinding" the profession.



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Nema0879
Thu May 13, 2004 8:58 am
#19






Cry4Dawn wrote:



#1 I was making a point and time wasnt the major part of that point. Problem is, when you use false information to prove a point your point becomes irrelevant and your innacurate information that was used to make someone else look stupid overwhelms your comments.
#2 even at 15 secs its only 90 secs total to do all 6 buffs That's exactly what I said ... yr point?
#3 get on a real server if its taking you that long I'm not the one complaining - you are - get a real server? What In the world does that have to do with anything?




I suggest if you feel the need to flame anyone with a differing opinion than you that you may need serious help - Not everyone in this world is going to agree with you all the time and by attacking them by saying " where did you get your information from" yr essentially calling them stupid - this sir is unacceptable and the only reason I felt the need to come back and correct you on this point. Respond civilly or I am done here as I'm sure I'll never convince you on my points and you will remain steadfast in the opinion that you are always right.


Good day and Good luck






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Darkagent101
Thu May 13, 2004 12:12 pm
#20

This is one hell of a nerf for us.


/sign


I will NOT be limited by excessive time!


(Not that it matters. System's still borked big.)





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Terasi
Thu May 13, 2004 1:30 pm
#21

I understand I'm in the minority because I don't think the timers should go away. I do think that Master times should be cut in half, but I understand the reason behind the timer. Personally I don't want someone to be able to master ID in an hour like it was before the publish. Now the obvious question is, why have master's with a timer since they're not grinding? The answer is quite simple, allowing masters to make instant changes absolutely screws over anyone who wants to get into the ID business. Because who is going to want to go to a novice ID looking for xp when they can go to a master and not have to wait?
Warryyr
Thu May 13, 2004 1:35 pm
#22

/sign with great respect to the ID'ers. I sympathize with you guys over these Patch 8.1 changes, some of which are horrible and ridiculous.


The name of this game deserves to be changed to Stellar Wait Galaxies, I swear to God. It's such a delight to logon to this game and keep finding MORE places where i just stand around and wait for something.


Now, I understand the Devs point of ending the 2 hour mastery of ID - that's ridiculous. Very much like how people used the speed exploit for mastering Entertainer (i'm a master musician). But, for the love of all that is holy in this existence, Devs PLEASE remove a 5 minute wait for eye color change or simple changes! LISTEN to your player base, yeeeeeesh. Master ID's should have instantaneous ID changes! What a shocking idea, not nerfing those who don't even NEED to grind anymore! Wow. Oh, and forcing an ID to wait along with their customer for 10 minutes for the stat migration, that's pathetic - what the heck have you done to the poor ID's, typing up their business like that! Inexcusable, immediate hotfix is necessary now to fix these wrongs, ID's don't deserve this.


And, I really desperately and wholeheartedly want to know want to know what the Devs' love affair is with a 10-minute wait time. Why does everything take 10 minutes? Startports? ID stat migration? 10 minutes is a LONG LONG time!!!


The moral of the story, as dictated by the Devs, be a Master Doctor - they're seemingly the only profession in this game that's been blessed by the almighty Devs to do ANYTHING useful in this game, in a reasonable amount of time. Hail the Doctors, blessed be they who can do things in less than 10 minutes!!!! /bow to all doctors, they are priviledged.


Sorry for venting, I had to get this out.


Warryyr

tbprince
Thu May 13, 2004 1:45 pm
#23

its my first post here but i cannot let this one pass...


i'm not one of these silly grinder


i am ID 4002 for 2 weeks, and surrender some skills to finish my way to master... But its totally insane to wait 5min to change just the eye color. Yes we can change eye color in the tent (for less time), but why people come to tent? not to see people who are doing there apprenticeship, only to see master or to have what they want, so how can we practice ?????


Buying second account ? Find someone who has nothing to do except to click on accept every 3 minutes or 5 for stat migration ? (i must find a VERY good friend then ^ ^ ) do it on me and spend 3 year and doing only ID ?


And actually the ID cannot do there job each other.. have to wait each other, its silly too.



Now for us, for the people who like ID, pleaze sony do something :


short timer (like 2 min max) ? more xp with lvl (exemple with last hair cut, more xp than a simple one) ?



As you want but, pleaze do something

mh307
Thu May 13, 2004 1:49 pm
#24

i like the timers i think the xp per change should be upped though


the reason i like them is because when people try to undercut you at master they get so backlogged that people come to you and pay fair prices

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FuschiaD
Thu May 13, 2004 2:53 pm
#25






mmaughme wrote:

I disagree, Dawn. I don't think there should beANY timer for cosmetic or physical changes, but I think the 10 minute stat migration timer should remain, but for the customer ONLY.I see no reason why the ID should be penalized 10 minutes of their time to perform this function.


Further, I think the prior stat migration functionality should be put back in. The customer can either wait several days as was previously done, or see an ID to have it done right away.


The timer is just miserable. This morning somebody wanted a bunch of work done. I did it. After I was done, he asked me to change his eyebrows. Sigh. Another minute standing there waiting for the timer to run down. It's BORING.






I agree 100% with this. The timer just stinks. There's really no two ways about it. There's no reason for it, and it's complete overkill. I agree that the stat migration should take a while - maybe longer than 10 minutes - but the wait needs to be CLIENT END ONLY. Why the hell am I being punished and forced to sit there with an open UI for 10 minutes? It's lousy designing, and it needs to be changed. I am thrilled with everything in the publish EXCEPT this. It has to go.


I know they were concerned with how easy the grind was to ID, and making it more of a time sink, but they ALSO got rid of the /imagedesignSetValue command, making it impossible to macro this profession. Going through the UI to gain xp will be enough of a time sink for those mastering ID. Right now, no one is ever going to master it again. And it infuriates me. I have never felt as helpless and angry about a change as I do right now, and it MUSTBE CHANGED.


Get rid of the timer on body and cosmetic changes, and make the stat migration change client-end only. Stop punishing us.





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MasterNerfSlayer
Thu May 13, 2004 7:42 pm
#26






Terasi wrote:
I understand I'm in the minority because I don't think the timers should go away. I do think that Master times should be cut in half, but I understand the reason behind the timer. Personally I don't want someone to be able to master ID in an hour like it was before the publish. Now the obvious question is, why have master's with a timer since they're not grinding? The answer is quite simple, allowing masters to make instant changes absolutely screws over anyone who wants to get into the ID business. Because who is going to want to go to a novice ID looking for xp when they can go to a master and not have to wait?





As I mentioned to you in another post, about 50% of people would rather wait 5 mins than pay 50k. These are clients of the non-master. The other 50% would rather pay 50k than wait 5 mins. These are clients of the master. The master is the person who knows their trade completely. You pay for their expertise. IF you want to pay less, you go to someone who isn't a master. That is why your logic is flawed. Non-masters are not getting to get screwed because they should be charging less than masters. Simple.




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