Image Designer Archive
Thread: To those MID who think the new ID Timer/XP gain isn't bad...
Syzygy-Gorath
Thu May 20, 2004 8:23 am
#14
Sir_Voor wrote:
I would have a problem with that,asking a future customer to wait until your finished with your current customer is one thing, but asking him to wait until your finish Plus Timer time would become a big issue with me. Waiting for an timer between customers sounds very boring to me.
Syzygy-Gorath wrote:
- All timers would begin counting at commit.
- You would not be able to initiate another ID session until the timer had concluded.
- Timer lengths would need to be reduced across the board. (1 minute for non-master IDs, 30 seconds for master IDs for cosmetic changes; 2 minutes for non-master IDs, 1 minute for master IDs for body changes—this assumes no tent)
- Stat migrations wouldtime as per a body changefor the image designer, but would not take effect for 10 minutes for the client.(preferably more…but I'm still stuck on the possible abuse of fast changes)
As I said, it's problematic no matter how you do it. The question is, which way is less problematic to the majority of IDs, in the majority of circumstances. It is my belief that in general you will have more instances of requests for small changes than instances of queues; but that's based on my playstyle and my experiences. Perhaps this is something that needs to be polled.
Vicotnik
Thu May 20, 2004 8:34 am
#15
Sir_Voor wrote:
With the current timer 99% of the time I use/play the time doing the ID on adverage, with the propossed timer 100% on the time you can't do any IDing.
That's the whole problem though. As a newbie ID, you will not use the time doing the ID, since you're just "grinding". Instead, you'll change the eye color once, and wait with the huge (but nice) ID interface covering your screenfor 2 and a half minute.
Vicotnik
Thu May 20, 2004 8:36 am
#16
Nevs wrote:
On the other hand, I wonder how many people who want the timer gone only wish that because they want to master it in 20 minutes and drop it again. I've only seen a handful of people going up ID with intentions of keeping it post here, and it is their input that I look forward to.
Probably not many, not counting the people who are still hologrinding. I'm pretty sure that most of us want the timer gone because it is not fun to do absolutely nothing for so much time.
BigAl_LBL
Thu May 20, 2004 11:40 am
#17
I only did the ID as part of the hologrind but having embarked on it, I have found it to be the most enjoyable part of the game
The new tents are not an entirely bad thing(provided at some point they can be crafted by architects and purchased by ID's).
When I was trying to find someone to train me prior to the change it took ages now at least higher level IDs can be found to train the up and coming IDs.
The timers ensure you have time to communicate with the client, but then that was always the case anyway.
The dual before and after screen is superb a massive improvement
but yes the *&%^ timers are a pain in the butt. Not because it detracts from the ID experience but simply because it does make it ludicrously difficult to get XP.
TheXP granted for ID needs to be massively increased if the timers are to be kept. or .....
Alternatively could the timer not be used as a time to take effect. I.e. the customer agrees the change with the design and then once accepted the timer starts and when it completes the change takes place. The designer can then be getting on with the next client whie that client 'recuperates' (waits for changes to occur) and can thus accomplish more changes and prevent the often large queues that are now occuring in the ID tents. At the same time this prevents the previous MID in an hour problem whilst also preventing the now stupid situation where MID takes longer to get than any other three Classes.
I think this approach has better realism too. Plastic surgeons, having performed an operation on a client, do not sit by theclientsbed for days on end until theyhave recovered before starting the next one do they? No,they do the work and then move on to the next job. Thats is how it should be for ID if timers are to be used.
yDdraig, MID
Farstar
Sundown6
Thu May 20, 2004 2:07 pm
#18
Sir_Voor wrote:
So with a post-ID timer, are you thinking it would start at commit and then would it keep you from "starting an IDs" or "commiting" again until the timer is up? I guess a timer that went from "commit" to "commit" is a fair good answer to this issue, it may be hard to code though.
It would not be hard to code. It's been done for the other professions, and any coder worth his salt should be able to do so something of this nature.
Whether the developers are willing to expend the effort to do it, after spending a fair amount oftimeon the IDers already (however misguided the implementation and design might actually be), is another issue.
It would however, be the right thing to do.
Reiella
Thu May 20, 2004 3:13 pm
#19
Lunah wrote:I disagree. I rather do 1500 ID's without a timer than 200 ID's with. If we accept the timer, who knows what will be done to all the other professions? You think they will stop here? No of course not. They finaly will realize many professions are too easy to master, so instead of adding a bit of challenge they just put everyone and everything on a friggin timer that does nothing but annoy the entire playerbase.
And I have to disagree with you there too.
I would much rather have it be "XP Intensive Individual Sessions" [Higher XP/same timer] than "XP Grind Sessions" [Same XP/lower timer]. It's more 'fun' for me to do full body makeovers than a long series of monotonous individual changes to 'grind out' the xp.
Of course, at the same, I'd like for multiple changes to actually give more than "biggest change" for xp, making the long timer a bit 'easier' to deal with the longer session.
Hmm, an interesting though might be to change the timer to work as an incremental action up to the max of 5min/10min, but starting out at say 30 seconds for individual changes?
I'm hesitant to think it's all too possible/easy to achieve with the engine, given how we just get the 'best change' experience now... But I can hope
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Nouva
Thu May 20, 2004 11:09 pm
#20
Please drop one level 4 box from your ID skill tree (also drop the excess ID XP if you would please), and then work you way back up to Master Image Designer again.
Way ahead of you, because I wanted to see what you were all crying about... I dropped tattoos and body. It took me 2 days and I loved every minute of it... In fact it seemed quicker than what most of us vets had to go through at launch. I had no problems getting clients as all my clients are repeat business and I have a lot of friends that were willing to assist me. Would I do it again? Yes if it will keep the timer as is...
Message Edited by Nouva on 05-21-2004 02:12 AM
Just_Bri
Thu May 20, 2004 11:59 pm
#21
Now try it on a server where you are a stranger. I am happy for you that you got to a point in the game where you are "established" and that this was not an inconvienance to you, but many of us do not have that luxury.
Numtini
Fri May 21, 2004 12:21 am
#22
On the other hand, I wonder how many people who want the timer gone only wish that because they want to master it in 20 minutes and drop it again. I've only seen a handful of people going up ID with intentions of keeping it post here, and it is their input that I look forward to.
I was halfway through ID when I gave up. I don't know who figured out how to master it in 30 minutes, but I sure wish I had. I put hours in last summer, my finger hurting from the click click click and all I can still do is pluck my brows.
I'm a tailor and I prefer to work live with people, not grind items and put them on a vendor. So I thought being an image designer would be a great complement. Plus I think the whole idea is great. I love the idea of getting someone a new outfit and a new look.
But I don't see a big market for redesigns unless you're a master. So I don't see that I'm in any different situation than a hologrinder. I just want it to be over so I can image design and I might give up and drop it entirely. Until I'm master, I'll probaby sit in that tent and grind, mostly on myself. If the next box is too horrible, which will be my first since the change, then I'll just drop the entire line and do chef or dancing.
SithDoctor
Fri May 21, 2004 8:45 am
#23
For those who are interested in the opion of someone who planned on keeping her image design boxes once they were achieved, here it is. For the casual gamer (and yes there are those that are) the timer kills this profession. If I choose to spend time away from work and family occasionally to play a game, I don't want to spend that time doing nothing waiting on a timer. Chatting is fine, but image design tent should be more than a glorified chat room. All computer games boil down to hitting keys and mouse buttons in different sequences to accomplish a goal. What makes people stay with them is enjoyment derived from doing that. As it stands now with the timer, spending time in the image design profession is not enjoyable for a large number of people, and they will play other professions or other games in their gaming time. That is ok, but the image design profession for non-masters will die.
Fiora Lavay
Master Entertainer, Master Musician, Master Dancer, Image Designer 4-0-0-0- before the timer
Nouva
Fri May 21, 2004 3:08 pm
#24
Now try it on a server where you are a stranger. I am happy for you that you got to a point in the game where you are "established" and that this was not an inconvienance to you, but many of us do not have that luxury.
Get some social skills... it's not hard to build up a clientele with them...
and FYI, my alt toon, Comet Cryptwalker (master dancer), Shadowfire, went from novice entertainer to 2/2/2/2 ID AFTER the patch. Someone get this person a tissue I ran outta Kleenex.
Just_Bri
Fri May 21, 2004 3:33 pm
#25
"and FYI, my alt toon, Comet Cryptwalker (master dancer), Shadowfire, went from novice entertainer to 2/2/2/2 ID AFTER the patch. Someone get this person a tissue I ran outta Kleenex."
Once again, an established character. I have noticed that your more recent posts at least have had an insulting tone to them. I would apprecieate if you would stop that.
My sig contains a very brief summary of my own experiences as an ID, most of which has been in the Entertainer ID tree. I regret that I have hadmuch less fun that you have. My own character is a brand new one. My choice to become an ID went something like this:
I created the char. as a Medic, and somehow got warped to Tatooene. ( I swear the terminalwas mean to me. I had wanted to go to Naboo but went instead to Tat as soon as I clicked the term.
After doing enough of the newb tasks to get me a travel voucher, I went to Naboo as I had intended and set up "shop" in the Med center in Theed. I migrated my stats drasticly over to the mind bar, and started healing away. About the time I got to 1-1-1-0 I was clued in to the fact that Medics don't really make any money unless they buff or use higher level meds ( which I didn't have, and also laced the skills and resources to make. )
After doing enough of the newb tasks to get me a travel voucher, I went to Naboo as I had intended and set up "shop" in the Med center in Theed. I migrated my stats drasticly over to the mind bar, and started healing away. About the time I got to 1-1-1-0 I was clued in to the fact that Medics don't really make any money unless they buff or use higher level meds ( which I didn't have, and also laced the skills and resources to make. )Note: 8.1 was patched in at this time
I thought to myself "Well, I guess I have to take up missions to make some money." I went to a nearby Marksmen trainer and picked up novice for a few hundred creds and the helpful R2 unit that kept following me around gave me a rifle. I jumped into combat against a nuna to get some experience and the nuna whipped my tail soundly. I couldn't migrate my stats back to give me a chance of surviving, so I asked around in my Player community if we had any image designers. It turns out that we didn't. Being the helpful sort that I am,I decided that I had to fix that. Next chance I got, I picked up novice Entertainer and started practicing on myself.
Now, I don't like to grind. I find a lack of variety undesirable. However, being that no one in the tent in Theed would go so far as to respond to direct greetings I didn't have much of a choice. The entire time I was grinding in the tent in Theed I managed to get three people to assist me. The morning that they hotfixed some exploits to their tent and timer system they also either broke or removed the ability to get the tent timer bonus for IDing yourself without targeting yourself. When I logged in that morning and saw that it would take me five minutes to change my own eye color inside the tent I almost gave it up and canceled my account a second time right then and there.
Rather than that though, I stuck around long enough to find the workaround and am still petitioning for changes to the profession.
Call me a cry baby if you like, but I as well as several others here think that the profession is in dire need of another revamp. One final thing I would like to say: I am glad that the ID UI is so pretty, as I will be spending so many hours looking at it.
Nouva
Fri May 21, 2004 4:11 pm
#26
An established character? Go on to Shadowfire and ask who is Comet Cryptwalker? Garuntee you get a "Who?" reply. The day after the patch I was in Bestine. I met lots of new people by being friendly and sociable, something you probaly lack in terms of getting clients.
And you want me to stop my insulting tone? I would like the rest of you to (this is not just directed at you Bri):
Quit insultung me by being so arrogant as to believe we veterens had it easy.
Quit insulting me by saying it took me a night to master my profession when it was over a month.
Quit insulting me by being so arrogant as to believe your master bounty hunter profession should not take as long as my ID profession. They are ELITE professions.
You may all think I am rude, insulting and down right a B*TCH. Know what? Im not here to make nice nice. Im hear to tell you like it is. Kwee may have to be PC but I sure do not. My negativity only comes out of love for this profession. I am not afraid to speak about its problems. I dont take this patch and smile. The only good that came out of this patch IS the timer. The UI should have been in since day one. The color palette isn't something new, all the craft professions got thiers and we were still stuck with nothing. Holoemotes were obviously meant for droid engineers but were given to us out of pity. And stat mitigation? Did YOU ask for that? I became an ID to change people's looks not buff them. That is why I do not goto the tents, I do not support them. You think the devs gave you love this patch? You are fooling yourself. What was given was mandatory.