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Thread: Do we really want droids?

SakeO
Mon Sep 27, 2004 8:58 pm
#1

It seems to me that an ID module would be a double edged sword.


pros - We will able to conduct faster, full-rangedbusiness anywhere we can pull our droid. Stat migrations will not be restricted to 3 planets and maybe we can be somewhere a bit more social than a tent while working.


cons - We will be expected to on the spot mods and those who do not want to do migrations will have little excuse to avoid them. The starports will be cluttered with one more industry and we will often be working in some pretty spamtastic locales.


Personally, I am against us having a droid module but, I can see the arguments for them. I prefer the ability to "leave work behind" and engae in other activites. I just wondered what the rest of us IDs thought about this issue.


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Wain_Eljua
Mon Sep 27, 2004 9:04 pm
#2

I would probably think the same as you, however you have to take in kind the fact that a lot of people want to be able to leave theSalonto ID people. But, if they were there I just wouldn't buy one. I'm not going to say we definately shouldn't have them, because I'll look a fool when they become intergrated into the game and are really useful.



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SunsetSam
Mon Sep 27, 2004 10:47 pm
#3

I'm not sure it has to be an all or nothing scenario. One way to implementing it would be to allow the droid module allow all the benefits of the Salon with the exception of the stat migrations. That would allow the statprocess to remain checked while allowing actual ID work to be performed at reduced timers out in the field. Just a thought.



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Hollow1Neville
Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:39 am
#4

Personally I would lovea droid which functions as a salon. No more having to trek from dantooine to coronet! As far as not being able to 'leave work behind', I'm not too worried. Yes, it is true I sometimes use the fact that salons are sometimes difficult to get in the midst of running missions, but my word on it is this: if I don't want to ID someone becauseI don't have the time because I'm doing something else, I'll still tell them "no, please try me again later". A droid module which works like a salon would allow me more flexibility, so I am whole-hearted *for*.





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Erann
Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:17 am
#5

I've gotton acustomed to the zero wait ID changes for when I'm in the salon... if the droid could offer a 10 ro 15 mins wait on stats then I'm for it... but then... if the droids are released... then this would make the tents even more emptier than thay are now... ... which would really hinder the poor ID that can't afford a Stat droid... and that is new.. while the older Mids would be like i've already mastered this cya!


AS a ID I want a droid so I can give my guildies stats while we're in the player cantina getting a mind buff. as a novice ID I would not like to see this since the ID tents are a focal point for anyone needing stats.




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gesikah
Tue Sep 28, 2004 10:15 am
#6

I am all for full functioning droids. As a tailor, I don't know what I would do without my crafting droid and look forward to one day having the same capabilities for the ID profession. I really don't think that it is going to be quite the problem that some believe it will be. No ID-ing (including migrations) are a necessity, there is absolutely nothing we are capable of that cannot wait until after I get this badge/finish this mission/buffs run out. However I would still like the choice of waiting or not myself. I would LOVE to be able to do migrations for my fellow guildmates in our city without both of us having to trek to Lagonet. I think would be great fun for when we have fairs/event/etc. to be able to set up a Id'ing "booth" without having to deal with the timer and having to say over and over "can't do migrations".

Not to mention all those times I am setting up factory runs or restocking my vendors and get the faithful tell asking for a migration. I would weep with joy if I could have clients meet me and then get right back to work, rather than having to decided whether to stop in the middle of it, shuttle there and back or just ask if they can wait.

As for the adding to the starport mess, I really don't think it will be all that bad. You dont' really see tailors, droid engineers, etc standing around barking custom wares. I know for myself, if I were still grinding, it still wouldn't be worth the lag and spacial chat hell.

But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong. :-)



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Klipshack
Tue Sep 28, 2004 10:22 am
#7

I like droids. I think droids are an intergaral part of SWG, so have more droids is better in my opinion.


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Tralmek
Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:11 pm
#8

I wouldn't want to have an ID droid, or even a player ID building. (Yeah, I know it's an unpopular view, but read on for my reasoning.)


First and foremost, when I'm in need of a break from ID, I can make the simple excuse that I'm nowhere near an ID tent, so no, I can't migrate your stats. kthanksbye. I don't know about any of you, but I have a really hard time telling people "no." If there were more places to do stat migrations, or a droid where you could perform them anywhere, suddenly there is no excuse to refuse someone unless you're actually involved in doing something else more important. (And you know as well as I, it's hard to convince someone that their stat migration is less important than anything elseI might be doing.)


Currently when I'm at home or "in the field" I can't perform stat migrations, but I can do everything else. Really, by the time I have changed colors, restyled the hair, futzed with the face, angled the eyes, tinkeredon tattoos and watched the weight, the timer has run out and it's time to hit "commit." So for normal ID work there's not much of a reason to have a droid to serve the purposes of a tent. The only reason for a droid in the field would be to decrease times to help people grind their way up the ID tree...and IMHO that's no way to do a social profession. ID's are Entertainers too.


If ID droids "had" to be introduced for out-of-tent work, I would argue that they should have the function of decreasing the time needed to do ID work, just like in the tents, but I wouldnever want an ID droid to give the ability to perform stat migrations outside of a tent.


The only way I can see a droid helping me in ID is if it gave me one of two things:

1. decreased stat migration time say...5 minutes instead of 10 (only when interfaced with the terminal in the ID tent of course)

2. direct access to people's stats. I hate it when people can't figure out where to set their stats, especially when I know what they're going for and I know exactly how to get them there. If a droid could give me access to their stats so Icould change them directly, that would be a wonderful thing.




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Madam
Wed Sep 29, 2004 12:44 am
#9

I am 100% for droids! I want to see more of the SW world! I don't like being bound to a tent and call me greedy, but I hate missing a sale too. If you don't want to help someone, you have two options: 1) Say no or 2) turn your tag off.



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Cirroco_Una
Wed Sep 29, 2004 9:03 am
#10








SakeO wrote:


cons - We will be expected to on the spot mods and those who do not want to do migrations will have little excuse to avoid them. The starports will be cluttered with one more industry and we will often be working in some pretty spamtastic locales.





I can see your pointquite well butjust for the sake of debate here's a counterpoint.

"ID's who don't want to do migrations will have little excuse not too."

Last time I checked we all had free will, so you don't need ANY excuse not too. If you don't want to do a migration, then you don't have to and there's nothing a player can do to make you do so.


"We'll be working in some spam filled locations"

Once again, a choice of free will. There's no one that can make you call your droid at these areas. No one can make us work at these areas unless we choose too.

Over wll the pros of a ID droid module outway the cons.




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Aori
Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:19 pm
#11



I don't reallyagree with the concept of ID Droids. I mean, sure, I can understand that some people are tired to be bound to a tent, but if you think about it, tents are still relatively empty. Image Designers are apretty small population to begin with. Having tents gives them some sort of common meeting place.If every ID had a droid that did everything a tent would, there would be no need to ever even go to a tent, rendering them pointless. Because who really wants to be tied to a tent if they don't have to be? So with droids available, what would really be the point of having tents at all? I may be able to see having droids but having to have Master ID in order to use them (or somewhere up on the ID tree), so that tents were still a common for IDs. But even then, it'd make a Master ID even more elusive than they are now. Or maybe have the droids cut/take away the timer for cosmetic changes but have stat migrations still bound to tents.But as a Master ID, I really dont find the out-of-tent timer for comestic changes, right now, that bad at all. By the time my customer figures out what they want, and we have casual conversation during the session, the timer is either already done, or almost done, anyways. ID is considered to be under the Entertainer realm, profession-wise, and for that, I think it's important for maintaining the social aspects of the profession. Tents are very social places, just as cantinas are for Dancers/Musicians.


I think, if anything, I'd much rather have small player city ID tents, over droids. Dancers/Musicians have their player city cantinas.Small player city tents may makesense. ButI'd like to see more incentive for using ID tents rather than less incentive, so that they are actually used more and have more purpose. *shrug*

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gesikah
Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:40 pm
#12



Aori wrote:
I don't really agree with the concept of ID Droids. I mean, sure, I can understand that some people are tired to be bound to a tent, but if you think about it, tents are still relatively empty. Image Designers are a pretty small population to begin with. Having tents gives them some sort of common meeting place. If every ID had a droid that did everything a tent would, there would be no need to ever even go to a tent, rendering them pointless. Because who really wants to be tied to a tent if they don't have to be? So with droids available, what would really be the point of having tents at all? I may be able to see having droids but having to have Master ID in order to use them (or somewhere up on the ID tree), so that tents were still a common for IDs. But even then, it'd make a Master ID even more elusive than they are now. Or maybe have the droids cut/take away the timer for cosmetic changes but have stat migrations still bound to tents. But as a Master ID, I really dont find the out-of-tent timer for comestic changes, right now, that bad at all. By the time my customer figures out what they want, and we have casual conversation during the session, the timer is either already done, or almost done, anyways. ID is considered to be under the Entertainer realm, profession-wise, and for that, I think it's important for maintaining the social aspects of the profession. Tents are very social places, just as cantinas are for Dancers/Musicians.
I think, if anything, I'd much rather have small player city ID tents, over droids. I'd like to use more incentive for using ID tents rather than less incentive, so that they are actually used more and have more purpose. *shrug*





I can see your point to a certain extent, but I would argue that perhaps if we did have droids, MIDs and IDs wouldn't be quiet to "elusive" as they are now. I know that when I am starting on non-ID related tasks the first thing I do is take the tag off. However, if I knew that I could continue what I was doing or have very little interruption, I would probably never take it off.

As for the social aspect, I think that is the very reason that the tents would continue to be a valuable tool. For non-Masters, no one wants to grind alone when they could sit and chat with fellow sufferers. And the fact is that one is always most likely (and I really don't see this changing) to find an ID in a salon, so customers will continue to stop by and therefore non-MID will continue to stick around waiting for the opportunity to work on someone else. :-) For the Master, I doubt very seriously I would be any less likely to visit the tent than I am now. As it is with everythign else that I am working on right now (leveling up alt, getting vendors situated, etc) while I may pop in for an appointment a few times a week, last night was the first time I have been in the tent for more than about 15 minutes in ages. I have too many other things going on to sit in the tent on the off chance that a customer may drop in. However, if I were to have a droid, I would be capable (and much more if not always willing) to service a client anytime.

As for all of those that hate the idea of not being able to "get away" from ID-ing the solution is pretty simple really...don't buy one. Or you could always use the excuse of having no batteries on you. :-)

I think the fact that the profession as a whole seems to be pretty much split on this, makes it all the more likely to "work" if we do get them. You will have the IDs that use the droids (for better or worse) but you would also still have the more traditional IDs that worked primarily if not exclusively from the salons.



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SakeO
Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:37 pm
#13

I understand that we actually have the choice to refuse work, I just meant that there will be the expectation that we are able to and the inevitable guys who won't take no for an answer if we had droids. You will also run into the guy who saw you had one a half hour ago.


I am sort of basing this on my time as a doctor and my experiences with pushy ID customers. I am not actually dead set one way or another, it is just thatI had these concerns floating in my head and wanted to hear what others thought.


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