Image Designer Archive
Thread: Starsider ID Union Price List
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Kwee
Sat May 08, 2004 9:29 am
#1
Well last night seven of us Master ID's on Starsider got togther to discuss the upcoming changes and form a union we've called Bodyworks. Since thentwo more has joined us, andseven others have expressed interest. After exchanging horror stories of being stiffed or having customers want to see every color or hairstyle and then choosing to change nothing, we jumped into pricing discussions. There was a little bit of negotiating here and there but mostly things went very smoothly. We all agreed we would continue to give the various discounts we had used in the past since we all had different systems. Examples cited were discounts/freebies for: Entertainers, New players, Polite customers, Repeat customers, and PA mates. We all said it would be really wonderful if other server unions would fall in love with our prices 
If you are on Starsider, or the organizer of another server's union and would like more information please PM me or use the "email me" button at the bottom of our union's site kindly put together by Lution:
If you are on Starsider, or the organizer of another server's union and would like more information please PM me or use the "email me" button at the bottom of our union's site kindly put together by Lution: www.geocities.com/swgbodyworks
The quick rundown (see site for more detail):
Color palette browsing fee: 2k per palette (when a color palette is browsed but no changes are desired in the end, due to the fact there are now 200+ colors)
Slider change: 5k
Color palette change: 10k
Feature plus associated color: 10k (e.g. hairstyle+haircolor, tattoo+tattoocolor)
1 Holo-Emote: 1k (option available at Hair I - IV and Master ID)
All Holo-Emotes: 5k (option available at Hair IVand Master ID)
Stat changeif atleast one ID change is also purchased: 30k
Stat change only: 50k (because it'll be really boring to hit "migrate stats" then just wait for the timer to run out)
Constructive feedback welcomed
Note: You may also be interested in seeing Pani's (of Lighstrider Image Designs) price list which was adapted from the Starsider one with added package deals and excellent descriptions of services
http://swg.atomicspacekitty.com/pricing.php
Message Edited by Kwee on 05-10-2004 08:19 PM
Warplex
Sat May 08, 2004 11:11 am
#2
Your prices seem a lil low, and a lil sporradic, though the browsing fee seems just right. Bria Union wishs you well!
d_h1234
Sat May 08, 2004 1:07 pm
#4
I'm on Starsider, and I work hard for my money..I will never pay 5k to twitch my nose length slider, another 5k for chin, another 5k for eye shape, etc. etc...add up atotal makeover and you've got well over 90k for every slider available, including facial hair...Add a couple color pallete views (4k more), and maybe a new color (10k more yet), and you have a grand total of 104k...if that isnt a rip-off, I dunno what is...
In the past every ID Ive been to has been free, curtious, and very polite and genereous...Now it seems with these upcoming changes you all want to milk the credit cow and get as much out of it as possible...(in laymans terms you want to rip us off, like I said)...I'll do some /yelling and try my best to find a good ID who isnt looking to take all of my money just to change my skin tone or hair style..
Syzygy-Gorath
Sat May 08, 2004 1:11 pm
#5
d_h1234 wrote:
I'm on Starsider, and I work hard for my money..I will never pay 5k to twitch my nose length slider, another 5k for chin, another 5k for eye shape, etc. etc...add up atotal makeover and you've got well over 90k for every slider available, including facial hair...Add a couple color pallete views (4k more), and maybe a new color (10k more yet), and you have a grand total of 104k...if that isnt a rip-off, I dunno what is...
In the past every ID Ive been to has been free, curtious, and very polite and genereous...Now it seems with these upcoming changes you all want to milk the credit cow and get as much out of it as possible...(in laymans terms you want to rip us off, like I said)...I'll do some /yelling and try my best to find a good ID who isnt looking to take all of my money just to change my skin tone or hair style..
These qualities are neither mutually inclusive, nor mutually excluse. We spend time and credits getting to MID, and more time helping you look your best. If you don't think that's a service worthy of recompence, don't avail yourself of it. But don't accuse us of being greedy simply because we want compensation for services rendered.
Reiella
Sat May 08, 2004 1:33 pm
#6
Syzygy-Gorath wrote:
d_h1234 wrote:I'm on Starsider, and I work hard for my money..I will never pay 5k to twitch my nose length slider, another 5k for chin, another 5k for eye shape, etc. etc...add up atotal makeover and you've got well over 90k for every slider available, including facial hair...Add a couple color pallete views (4k more), and maybe a new color (10k more yet), and you have a grand total of 104k...if that isnt a rip-off, I dunno what is...In the past every ID Ive been to has been free, curtious, and very polite and genereous...Now it seems with these upcoming changes you all want to milk the credit cow and get as much out of it as possible...(in laymans terms you want to rip us off, like I said)...I'll do some /yelling and try my best to find a good ID who isnt looking to take all of my money just to change my skin tone or hair style..These qualities are neither mutually inclusive, nor mutually excluse. We spend time and credits getting to MID, and more time helping you look your best. If you don't think that's a service worthy of recompence, don't avail yourself of it. But don't accuse us of being greedy simply because we want compensation for services rendered.
Actually, 'free' and charging prices for services are a bit mutually exclusive.
And I'm glad to see the Starsider price list finally coming out. It's something I was hoping for a very long time ago, just never had the time to go to the 'get togethers' to help. That and I'm compulsively indecesive.
This and the changes to the ID profession as a whole are getting dangerously close to getting me to come back to my ID on Starsider at least.
One thing I'd suggest possibly adding to the pricelist is a "bundle discount" for multiple changes In a Single Change [for the same reason Stat Migration gets it].
Aynianu
Sat May 08, 2004 1:45 pm
#7
Only ID i know that are free to everyone are some hologrinders who hang on to the proffession a little while
Alciril
Sat May 08, 2004 1:50 pm
#8
d_h1234 wrote:
I'm on Starsider, and I work hard for my money..I will never pay 5k to twitch my nose length slider, another 5k for chin, another 5k for eye shape, etc. etc...add up atotal makeover and you've got well over 90k for every slider available, including facial hair...Add a couple color pallete views (4k more), and maybe a new color (10k more yet), and you have a grand total of 104k...if that isnt a rip-off, I dunno what is...
In the past every ID Ive been to has been free, curtious, and very polite and genereous...Now it seems with these upcoming changes you all want to milk the credit cow and get as much out of it as possible...(in laymans terms you want to rip us off, like I said)...I'll do some /yelling and try my best to find a good ID who isnt looking to take all of my money just to change my skin tone or hair style..
You have to realize that this is their source of income. I play on Starsider too and, honestly, credits are fairly easy to get. Combat types can run missions which easily pay 15k (double that insome cases) and only take 10 minutes at most to do. But if you'd like to have a complete makeover and money is still an issue, then try talking to your ID and make them understand that you'd like a lot of changes but can't afford to pay the 104k you've quoted. I guarantee that if you're friendly, communicative, and understanding, they'll make sure that you can afford it.
In general, people who choose the ID profession aren't slithering price gougers by nature. This pricing list is merely a guideline that was made inresponse to all of the curt non-tipping time-consuming customers out there. You know the sort--the "i don't know what i want just make me look good plzzzz" type that you spend 30 minutes on, isnever satisified, and tips you a "thx" and a /wave at the end of the session.
I think it's good that IDs are trying to settle on some sort of standardized pricing. And while people may think that it's an in-game given right to demand free ID services because "it doesn't take any resources", you're actually paying for something far more valuable--time. I'll be the first person in line at the Coronet tent on the 11th to receive a set of holoemotes along with a slightly lighter shade of brown hair, and I'll gladly pay list price plus a tip.
Sir_Voor
Sat May 08, 2004 1:57 pm
#9
I'm considering something deferent (Service Packs)
Full Service ID - Includes: Full body, face and hair, plus one free Holo-emote and one free touch-up
Deluxe Service ID - Includes: Full body, face and hair, plus free allHolo-emote and stat change and one free touch-up
I have not decided the price yet, but I'll need a 5k /tip before ID to cover the Imperil Luxury tax.
Any ideas what you would charge for this?
Luti0n
Sat May 08, 2004 3:59 pm
#10
Towards the end of the session "package" deals were brought up but the final decision was that they muddied the water too much. Easier to list the flat rates and then provide personal package discounts (yeah I know not many would willingly pay 25k just to adjust eyes - size, shape, angle and color) but it makes it clear up front with the customer that yes they are going to have to pay and give them a ballpark for what its going to cost.
For those that don't think it "costs us anything" to be Master ID well... By having master ID I can only maintain novice medic and master 1 combat skill. I would very much like to be master sword and master pistol but it isn't going to happen because I refuse to give up the skill points and fun I have with ID. That drop off in combat cability and sitting at a tent doing nothing but stat migrations is what you're paying for since I can't keep scout and harvest 5000 heb meat that will fetch 100 cpu.
Besides, I have to get my credits for that pink Super Star Destroyer somehow ... =)
Lution
Master ID, Starsider
Stumpet_Rakingclaw
Sat May 08, 2004 4:42 pm
#11
wow free???
what makes it that an image designer has to give you their stuff free but a doc can charge 10k for buffing...or a better example you will pay 10k for a dancer or musician buff...you my friend are insane...there is no way thats a rip off...first off you get stats changed much quicker than you could do it on your own...second off once you finish creating your char and start playing you can't go back and edit it without ID services...so you are definately gonna be hurtin when all of the sudden the new fashion is yellow hair and are stuck with your brown due to ignorance...
sorry for a bit of flame on the end there but i am sick and tired of people trying to say that one profession's skill set is worth 10k and another is worth 0 creds...it just sickens me...and thank you kwee i was wondering what to charge for stuff come the 11th
what makes it that an image designer has to give you their stuff free but a doc can charge 10k for buffing...or a better example you will pay 10k for a dancer or musician buff...you my friend are insane...there is no way thats a rip off...first off you get stats changed much quicker than you could do it on your own...second off once you finish creating your char and start playing you can't go back and edit it without ID services...so you are definately gonna be hurtin when all of the sudden the new fashion is yellow hair and are stuck with your brown due to ignorance...
sorry for a bit of flame on the end there but i am sick and tired of people trying to say that one profession's skill set is worth 10k and another is worth 0 creds...it just sickens me...and thank you kwee i was wondering what to charge for stuff come the 11th
Kwee
Sat May 08, 2004 4:58 pm
#12
d_h1234 wrote:
I'm on Starsider, and I work hard for my money..I will never pay 5k to twitch my nose length slider, another 5k for chin, another 5k for eye shape, etc. etc...add up atotal makeover and you've got well over 90k for every slider available, including facial hair...Add a couple color pallete views (4k more), and maybe a new color (10k more yet), and you have a grand total of 104k...if that isnt a rip-off, I dunno what is...
In the past every ID Ive been to has been free, curtious, and very polite and genereous...Now it seems with these upcoming changes you all want to milk the credit cow and get as much out of it as possible...(in laymans terms you want to rip us off, like I said)...I'll do some /yelling and try my best to find a good ID who isnt looking to take all of my money just to change my skin tone or hair style..
Breaks out in song, "He works hard for his money, works hard for his moneeeey".
Well guess what so do we
And those Image Designers that have ID'd you for free as you say, I'm betting the poor things were waiting for their tip and you just ran off with a thanks thrown over your shoulder 
Syzygy-Gorath
Sat May 08, 2004 6:27 pm
#13
Funny you should mention that, Kwee. I've been playing on TestCenter a lot lately, but I logged to Kettemoor for a guild hunt. I was taking care of some errands with Eicia, my MID toon, when I got a request for a frill change while waiting on the shuttle. Sure, fine, got the one he wanted on the first try. Thanks me, disbands, runs off…. Now, it's not like I'm hurting for money, but that still strikes me as pretty darn rude.
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