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Thread: Effectiveness vs. Encumberence
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gildrian
Thu Sep 02, 2004 2:30 am
#1
So effectiveness or encumberence...which of these is your deciding factor in choice of composite armor:
Is it higher effectiveness, regardless of encumb...let the buffs cover it for your pvp & pve encounters --- or thelighter the armor encumbthe better and go for just a one/few effective's70-80%'s?
Im experimenting with real decent pve and pvp suits atm...and of course I want my comp lightweight and effective...so that lead to maybe the real question for youon the issue of balance:
What are YOUR:
- Maximum allowable total comp suit encumb
- Minimum allowable effectiveness stats
for PVP and/or PVE???
Thank you very much for reading/replying to this message...
TashunkaSapa
Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:08 am
#2
I have two suits: One to wear when unbuffed (mostly Krayt, encumbrance sliced) with resists in the high 50's, and one to wear when buffed (effectiveness sliced)which is 80% kinetic and base in the high 80's to 90%.
I don't usually wear the lightweight suit. When unbuffed I tend to fight unarmored or in Kinetic Ubese (encumbrance sliced)with a PSG.
The limiting factor for me when it comes to armor I can wear unbuffed is that I am a Zabrak. As such I'm limited to Constitution and Stamina of 400. So the total encumbrance has to be below 400.
One of the nice things about Master Smuggler was that I could do my own slices and work on building suits of armor that met those needs.
Shaan'ti Hokai (Kauri) 
Gavvot
Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:41 am
#3
Encumberence.
All the time.
Max allow for a compo suit : about 350.
Max for ubese : 250.
All the time.
Max allow for a compo suit : about 350.
Max for ubese : 250.
DirthNader
Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:04 am
#4
PvE (grinding) customers like unsliced Ubese or encumbrance sliced 80% kinetic composite.
PvE (high level) customers like effectiveness sliced 80% kinetic composite.
PvP (all level) customers like effectiveness sliced 40% stun composite.
The best armor for high level PvE would really be effectiveness sliced triple electrical layers, since kinetic would be able to go over the 80% cap that it suffers when it's moved to special protection via kinetic layers. Only problem there is that no one would want to buy the encumbrance sliced pieces unless you sold them at cost, and I already have to do that with encumbrance slices on stun comp.
guppi00
Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:26 am
#5
PvE (high level) customers like effectiveness sliced 80% kinetic composite.
Never had anybody ask for this, sorta defeats the purpose if you slice things above the 80% kinetic....this is where coldlayered, high base armor comes inn 
Generally with 12 points, I cannot make heavier armor than about 900 ham (950 mind maybe), and the only suits that are this heavy are the Quad special (79-80% kinetic/energy/heat/electric) and my new Anti-NS suits (80%kinetic/blast/8% stun). Both have a high base. With this many specials, you REALLY want an enc slice. This is ofcourse PvE armor.
From my own experience, the only time ppl wanteff slices is with the highbase coldlayered or with 30-40% stun PvP suits. Then its all resistance that counts.
For 80% kinetic, it can be made so light it really doesnt matter what gets sliced, but ofcourse enc slices are preferable.
DirthNader
Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:52 am
#6
guppi00 wrote:
Never had anybody ask for this, sorta defeats the purpose if you slice things above the 80% kinetic....this is where coldlayered, high base armor comes inn
Did 'ya read the second paragraph? I don't think you did.
I know the ideal armor for PvE would be electrical layers because of the special protection caps. The trick is, on my server everyone demands presliced armor. I already have a vendor set up just for encumbrance sliced stun layered comp, because I have to sell it at cost just to get rid of it. I don't need another goose egg on my vendors with encumbrance sliced eletricity layered comp.
Do you sell your armor presliced? Or does your server let you get away with selling unsliced comp?
Oreet
Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:21 am
#7
for me, personally, as a rodian, my mind pool secondaries max at 550 and 500. so in my mind, Encumberance is MUCH MORE IMPORTANT than effectiveness. i've bought suits based on effectivness, and ended up not being able to eat and drink enough to buff my mind to wear more than 4 or 5 pieces.
but, then i had an armormsith make me a suit of Ultra-Light Ubese, that i can wear the entire suit, without a single stat being buffed in any way.
so for my money, i'll take low encumberance any day over high effectiveness.
guppi00
Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:39 am
#8
I read that second paragraf to quick, sorry bout that.
Very few AS sell pre-slilced compostie on my server. Ive given it up as it just takes to much time. 
I think a rule of thumb will be enc slices for grinding, and eff slices for PvP.
DirthNader
Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:53 am
#9
No worries. If I could get away with selling unsliced comp, I'd make triple electricity layers too. As it is though, my unsliced only sells in large amounts when the stock on my sliced vendor gets low.
guppi00 wrote:
I read that second paragraf to quick, sorry bout that.
Very few AS sell pre-slilced compostie on my server. Ive given it up as it just takes to much time.
I think a rule of thumb will be enc slices for grinding, and eff slices for PvP.
TGB_Bane
Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:03 am
#10
i like the unlayered composite myself, it has good all round protections for pvp and pve, just eat some sythsteak and put on an imp psg for pvp and the diffrence isnt too noticable.
gildrian
Sat Sep 04, 2004 1:44 pm
#11
Im sorry maybe I read this wrong, but 250-350? Total suit encumberence????!
It sounds like many players prefer Effectiveness Sliced 30-40% Stun Composite for PVP encounters....& Encumberence slices on composite that may have mulitiple 70-80% range protections (ie- kin, blast, elec, etc.)when used for high lvl PVE encounters.
But what is YOUR max allowable total ALLOWABLE encumberence on YOUR Composite Armor...regardless of whether it is sliced for encumberence or for effectiveness?
Thanks for reading/replying to this post..
TashunkaSapa
Sun Sep 05, 2004 4:52 am
#12
Why would I need encumbrance sliced heavy composite for PvE?
You're likely not going to find a suit in the 80s ranges with a total encumbrance of less than 400, even if it's all 45% encumbrance sliced. So I figure, since I can't wear my heavy composite without a buff, what's it matter what the encumbrance is? So I assembled a suit that's got high effectivenss slices, the highest encumbrance cost is about 950.
If I need armor when unbuffed, I have the Encumbrance sliced Kinetic Ubese and the Lightweight Stun Composite. Its resists are in the 50s, not enough to be choice for PvE unless I'm fighting lower level mobs - in which case I prefer no armor at all.
Basically, there gets to be a point where the encumbrance of armor is enough that it almost acts as damage on its own - specials cost way too much HAM and recovery is too slow. That amount varies based on race and particular stat migration but with a little trial-and-error you will know where that breaking point is.
Seomon
Sun Sep 05, 2004 5:28 am
#13
I always buy 40% Stun, about 75% Elec, 66% base (sometimes higher) armor for PvE and PvP. I go and get it sliced, and any Encum slices get handed out for free and any Eff sliced armorunder 80% base gets handed out. This usually leaves me with an 85% Base, 40% Stun suit for about a million credits.
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