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Thread: Friday Feature January 14th Part 1 – Space Tour 2

Thunderheart
Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:03 pm
#1






Novock wrote:

No offense but months ago TH told Commando that their role definition would be the following week's FF. I think thats been what 6 months ago? I'll believe it when I see it.




Things change. I bring you the best information I have at the time and we all roll with the changes as I bring them to you with as much grace as possible or less information flows.


This is a two way street. If I'm going to bring you cutting edge news, then expect some of it to change. It is the nature of all things and not just games and game design.







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NickHeel
Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:06 pm
#2




Thunderheart wrote:





NickHeel wrote:

Thanks, TH. Remember, if something changes on the date (January), yall got to update us All part of your grand new changes, correct? Just...ya know...given past history and all, thought I'd say.


Thanks for the reply, man.






I know what everyone's waiting for and we're doing our best to get it out to ya. Don't forget, I'm the one with my head on a pike when things change. You guys sure haven't let me forget heh. Its all good though. We'll do what we can, when we can and my style is not to beat a dead horse until its glue...


(And just so Im clear, what January date are you referencing?)







I was talking about your post about SOETyrant/Gordon's follow-up on the Studio Update: HERE.


The January "date" I was referring to was what he mentioned here (highlighted in red):


"Smuggler revamp / non-combat profession upgrades
The smuggler revamp is important and detailed design work starts on it and several other of the non-combat professions in January. We need the context of the Combat Upgrade to be finished though before revamping the non-combat professions completely. This doesn't mean we are not going to address critical bugs and issues with professions, see the next item…."


I was curious when/if we'd see anything on it soon (my first post you replied to) and if the January date changed, you were supposed to notify us according to the new changes you Community Relations guys are talking about.


Hope that clears things up






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Novock
Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:08 pm
#3






Thunderheart wrote:





Novock wrote:

No offense but months ago TH told Commando that their role definition would be the following week's FF. I think thats been what 6 months ago? I'll believe it when I see it.




Things change. I bring you the best information I have at the time and we all roll with the changes as I bring them to you with as much grace as possible or less information flows.


This is a two way street. If I'm going to bring you cutting edge news, then expect some of it to change. It is the nature of all things and not just games and game design.








Thats understandable but when things change a respectful email the community doesn't hurt rather than leaving them hanging. And Maybe then it wouldn't haunt you all the time. SOE_Tyrant said details would be released in January we are anxiously waiting those details but yes I am cynical I won't believe anything anymore till I see. I have had my hopes dashed to many times ~ retired smuggler ----> need I say anything more?

Message Edited by Novock on 01-14-2005 03:09 PM



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Thunderheart
Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:09 pm
#4






NickHeel wrote:




Thunderheart wrote:



NickHeel wrote:

Thanks, TH. Remember, if something changes on the date (January), yall got to update us All part of your grand new changes, correct? Just...ya know...given past history and all, thought I'd say.


Thanks for the reply, man.




I know what everyone's waiting for and we're doing our best to get it out to ya. Don't forget, I'm the one with my head on a pike when things change. You guys sure haven't let me forget heh. Its all good though. We'll do what we can, when we can and my style is not to beat a dead horse until its glue...


(And just so Im clear, what January date are you referencing?)






I was talking about your post about SOETyrant/Gordon's follow-up on the Studio Update: HERE.


The January "date" I was referring to was what he mentioned here (highlighted in red):


"Smuggler revamp / non-combat profession upgrades The smuggler revamp is important and detailed design work starts on it and several other of the non-combat professions in January. We need the context of the Combat Upgrade to be finished though before revamping the non-combat professions completely. This doesn't mean we are not going to address critical bugs and issues with professions, see the next item…."


I was curious when/if we'd see anything on it soon (my first post you replied to) and if the January date changed, you were supposed to notify us according to the new changes you Community Relations guys are talking about.


Hope that clears things up





To the best of my knowledge it hasn't changed yet, but its been a crazy week. The bottom line though, if something needs to be pushed out to make it cooler and more fun, chances are more than likely that we will push a date out a littl ebit to get things right.




Kurt "Thunderheart" Stangl
Community Relations Manager
Thunderheart
Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:10 pm
#5






Novock wrote:
Thats understandable but when things change a respectful email the community doesn't hurt rather than leaving them hanging. And Maybe then it wouldn't haunt you all the time. SOE_Tyrant said details would be released in January we are anxiously waiting those details but yes I am cynical I won't anything anymore till I see. I have my hopes dashed to many times ~ retired smuggler ----> need I say anything more?




Nope.


This is me just trying to be more available and candid







Kurt "Thunderheart" Stangl
Community Relations Manager
NickHeel
Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:10 pm
#6


HEADS UP! (or down in this case) Everyone watch where they step...there'sfreshly beatenhorse glue all over the place...


My fault, I guess...sorry about that


P.S. Thanks, yet again, TH. Remember to update us a.s.a.p. if that date does get pushed back

Message Edited by NickHeel on 01-14-2005 03:11 PM




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Praeses
Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:15 pm
#7



Thunderheart wrote:


Novock wrote:

No offense but months ago TH told Commando that their role definition would be the following week's FF. I think thats been what 6 months ago? I'll believe it when I see it.

Things change. I bring you the best information I have at the time and we all roll with the changes as I bring them to you with as much grace as possible or less information flows.

This is a two way street. If I'm going to bring you cutting edge news, then expect some of it to change. It is the nature of all things and not just games and game design.








Thats fine, just tell us when it changes please?



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Shiznat9000
Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:19 pm
#8






Thunderheart wrote:





Novock wrote:

No offense but months ago TH told Commando that their role definition would be the following week's FF. I think thats been what 6 months ago? I'll believe it when I see it.




Things change. I bring you the best information I have at the time and we all roll with the changes as I bring them to you with as much grace as possible or less information flows.


This is a two way street. If I'm going to bring you cutting edge news, then expect some of it to change. It is the nature of all things and not just games and game design.





Oh come on, things don't change that much. You're in charge of Friday Features and yet you can't even guarantee what you'll talk about next week?


If things are really that chaotic there then try to watch what you promise. You just said "I'm putting together the first CU stuff for next Friday." To me that makes it sound like you are working on CU stuff and we'll see it next Friday. But we all know that the chances of the next FF being about the CU is very low. All you have to do is change the sentence to "I'm putting together the first CU stuff and I would like to have it ready for you on Friday." That way you wouldn't be lying to us.
Thunderheart
Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:22 pm
#9

Actually thats true, but if Tyrant walks in my office and says, "Change of plans", guess what happens?







Kurt "Thunderheart" Stangl
Community Relations Manager
Crash752
Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:22 pm
#10






Thunderheart wrote:





Novock wrote:

No offense but months ago TH told Commando that their role definition would be the following week's FF. I think thats been what 6 months ago? I'll believe it when I see it.




Things change. I bring you the best information I have at the time and we all roll with the changes as I bring them to you with as much grace as possible or less information flows.


This is a two way street. If I'm going to bring you cutting edge news, then expect some of it to change. It is the nature of all things and not just games and game design.









Yeh guys give TH a break. Geez complain complain complain! Ungrateful! TH brings us cutting edge news like ignoring the community for over a year and you go and bring up something way off base. I for one can't wait until next week when he posts more cutting edge news.



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thebodster
Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:23 pm
#11

What is the point in TH telling us anything if it is all guess work (and from a software dev perspective I can tell you that is what it is most of the time!).

An "It is going well and we hope to meet your expectations" post every now and then would help but, why would they want to post any dates or even rough schedules because you guys just run with it and then moan when it isnt done to schedule.

Just my two pence.

/shrug



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raynedog
Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:25 pm
#12


Shiznat9000 wrote:


Thunderheart wrote:


Novock wrote:

No offense but months ago TH told Commando that their role definition would be the following week's FF. I think thats been what 6 months ago? I'll believe it when I see it.

Things change. I bring you the best information I have at the time and we all roll with the changes as I bring them to you with as much grace as possible or less information flows.

This is a two way street. If I'm going to bring you cutting edge news, then expect some of it to change. It is the nature of all things and not just games and game design.


Oh come on, things don't change that much. You're in charge of Friday Features and yet you can't even guarantee what you'll talk about next week?
If things are really that chaotic there then try to watch what you promise. You just said "I'm putting together the first CU stuff for next Friday." To me that makes it sound like you are working on CU stuff and we'll see it next Friday. But we all know that the chances of the next FF being about the CU is very low. All you have to do is change the sentence to "I'm putting together the first CU stuff and I would like to have it ready for you on Friday." That way you wouldn't be lying to us.





He's not lying to us, he's saying he's working on CU stuff for Friday, meaning if everything goes as planed he can have something for the next Friday feature. There is no diff between the statment you had and what he said. I'm sure if next Fridays feature isn't CU he'll tell us why. If you keep slaming him everytime he trys to stay ahead of the curve and offer information, you won't see any posts until something is set in stone, which means long periods without info.

Message Edited by raynedog on 01-14-2005 01:26 PM



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NickHeel
Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:25 pm
#13


Umm.....as far as the Friday Feature goes... I have a legit question.


"Smuggler's Run
Type:
Hyperspace
Location: -962 4480 6923

When the Death Star was finally destroyed, news of its defeat spread like wildfire. It brought many visitors, including the Ni'lyahin Smugglers, hoping to scrounge together pieces from the explosion and sell it on the black market. Today, they prosper, fighting their own war against the Empire and their oppression."


As far as I know, the Smuggler's Run was a large asteroid field near Hutt space. Here's the description from page 79 of The Hutt Gambit of the Han Solo Trilogy: "Smuggler's Run was a hideout for sentients on the lam who were even "hotter" than the denizens of Nar Shaddaa. Smuggler's Run was a series of hideouts--actually, artificial environments whittled out of several large asteroids locatedin the middle of a huge asteroid field. The main one was a smelly hole bored in to a large asteroid that was known as Skip 1."


I was curious if the Smuggler's Run POI in Yavin is supposed to be some knock-off or that (which I don't think it is) or if it'd be possible sometime in the future to rewrite the description and addan asteroid field with a "Skip 1" type deal in the middle. Would be a great POI to interact with for the players that like to delve into the criminal/underworld side of SWG (what little there is)


I'm just looking for more of a connection between the SWG Point of Interest and the "actual" Smuggler's Run according to Star Wars novels. Any thoughts?

Message Edited by NickHeel on 01-14-2005 03:27 PM




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