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Demio_Olaron wrote:
TBH I don't think ANY content in the game should REQUIRE Jedi to be done properly. But thats just my opinion...

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pussycat wrote:

There you go again, misrepresenting what others said to suit your own selfish needs. This is not about the lack of competent players, it's about the fact that a lot of the competent players out there have heard horror stories about the DWB post-CU and have figured that it's not worth the effort. And that's the sad part, because it is, whether you want to craft something or just want some adventure. So yes, the DWB definitely needs to be brought down a notch, the current situation only benefits a very small portion of the player base, proportionately speaking, and of course you are going to be selfish and egotistic about it because defending the status quo is just your way of not wanting to share the fun with others who don't enjoy the same advantages that you have, this game is not for a few to enjoy it should be for everybody. You don't want to accept that you are being elitist because you only care about your own needs and concerns.

So yes, the DWB needs to be brought down a notch, if not for your own personal sake, the for that of the larger player base.

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It really frustrates me when someone cries nerf because they cannot do something. Do what we all did, adapt and learn the new system, it works wonders

Message Edited by Leek_Stywalker on 07-13-2005 07:07 PM

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Leek_Stywalker wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

There you go again, misrepresenting what others said to suit your own selfish needs. This is not about the lack of competent players, it's about the fact that a lot of the competent players out there have heard horror stories about the DWB post-CU and have figured that it's not worth the effort. And that's the sad part, because it is, whether you want to craft something or just want some adventure. So yes, the DWB definitely needs to be brought down a notch, the current situation only benefits a very small portion of the player base, proportionately speaking, and of course you are going to be selfish and egotistic about it because defending the status quo is just your way of not wanting to share the fun with others who don't enjoy the same advantages that you have, this game is not for a few to enjoy it should be for everybody. You don't want to accept that you are being elitist because you only care about your own needs and concerns.

So yes, the DWB needs to be brought down a notch, if not for your own personal sake, the for that of the larger player base.

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I heard the horror stories as well, it put me off for a considerable time. Then i did the unimaginable, i actually got my group back together and went down there. shock horror we found that once we realised that we couldnt play it in the same manner as we could pre cu and adapted we cracked it on our first run. Please do the whole community a favour and dont listen to the horror stories, try it yourself.

It really frustrates me when someone cries nerf because they cannot do something. Do what we all did, adapt and learn the new system, it works wonders

Message Edited by Leek_Stywalker on 07-13-2005 07:07 PM

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Leek_Stywalker wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Leek_Stywalker wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

There you go again, misrepresenting what others said to suit your own selfish needs. This is not about the lack of competent players, it's about the fact that a lot of the competent players out there have heard horror stories about the DWB post-CU and have figured that it's not worth the effort. And that's the sad part, because it is, whether you want to craft something or just want some adventure. So yes, the DWB definitely needs to be brought down a notch, the current situation only benefits a very small portion of the player base, proportionately speaking, and of course you are going to be selfish and egotistic about it because defending the status quo is just your way of not wanting to share the fun with others who don't enjoy the same advantages that you have, this game is not for a few to enjoy it should be for everybody. You don't want to accept that you are being elitist because you only care about your own needs and concerns.

So yes, the DWB needs to be brought down a notch, if not for your own personal sake, the for that of the larger player base.

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I heard the horror stories as well, it put me off for a considerable time. Then i did the unimaginable, i actually got my group back together and went down there. shock horror we found that once we realised that we couldnt play it in the same manner as we could pre cu and adapted we cracked it on our first run. Please do the whole community a favour and dont listen to the horror stories, try it yourself.

It really frustrates me when someone cries nerf because they cannot do something. Do what we all did, adapt and learn the new system, it works wonders

Message Edited by Leek_Stywalker on 07-13-2005 07:07 PM

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God, you honestly haven't been reading all along, have you??? Either that or you are being incredibly dense. "Try it yourself"? I must have said this a zillion times, but I guess I just have to say it again... been there, don't that. I've been in several successful runs to the DWB, and I know how to make it to the crafting room and even get a CL1 toon down there. Guess what? It doesn't matter, the DWB still needs to be brought down a notch because the way it is, you still can't get enough people interested on a regular basis.

The DWB mobs should be brought down a notch, otherwise the DWB will only be there for the benefit of uber-elite powergamers, especially those who want to make million$$ from it.

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nope, not dense here and name calling really isnt nice, i simply interpreted what you wrote. So you have been on sucessfull runs, grats, so you know its possible with the right group. its doubtfull they will heed to your cries of nerf just becuase you cannot do it with a few close friends whom may not be best equipped for the dwb.

What i do see as the problem for you is not the mobs difficulty, its getting people involved. A complete suit of mandolorian was finished this week on my server. the group that did it took over a year to make it. The suits are that of legend in starwars, and this level of commitment that they showed proves that SoE has mirrored it well ingame.

The group that just finished was not a group of close friends or all within one guild. They were a conglormerate of multiple guilds working for one goal. I went with them a couple of times pre cu. They consisted of around 8+ guilds all working together, rebels imps and neutrals. maybe broadening your search for players and building relationships with other guilds will help you. Again it appears due to your last post that it isnt the actual bunker thats the problem, its your lack of willing participants to help you.

If it is lowered down then the wow factor of the mando suits and jetpacks will be gone like Jedi and RIS today. It should be something people talk about in amazement and not lowered to a level where people do not see it as a real accomplishment which is what would happen if these nerf criers got their way.

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zRhyno wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Aspenth wrote:

I too thought the DWB was impossible a few weeks ago. Used to be my home pre-cu, I'd go there all the time with groups for Jetpacks and the occasional Mando piece. Wasn't until recently that we decided it was time to relearn the place. My vision of the bunker has been reversed since then.. it is more fun than ever before. Pre-cu, it was just tank the mobs, let them beat on you for 2 minutes while you take little to no damage and the swordsmen waste away their mind. Now, it's a real challenge, especially now that you have to be selective of the 8 people you bring along. (can be done with more, I know, but most groups aren't gonna spend the time getting two of each section key)

I do agree that something needs to be done about the mobs' inherent desire to use AOEs constantly, but I think the levels are fine.

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For better or for worse, the DWB has gotten a reputation as an "impossible" place in some servers... and again, I agree that it is not by any means impossible, and that with a good team that knows what it's doing, it can be done swiftly. But the only people who will defend for the place to remains as it is are those who expect to profit from it, making and selling items for millions of credits to those who aren't "uber-elite" players. And of course they will deny being motivated by greed, but that is really the main motivation.

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Dont generalize. My group barely made any profits from the DWB. We refused to sell jetpacks for 40-50million like people were asking. We charged 7.5m to craft it for you, which barely covered weapon and armor decay costs for the entire group combined. If you helped us in the DWB and got to be a regular in our group you were given a jetpack. We never did it for profit, we did it for the sheer joy of it, hence why im broke and yet i have a a mando helm, chestplate, and a jetpack. We've crafted 9 pieces of mando and 45+ jetpacks, by far the most on the server, yet we arent even close to rolling in the money. I dont defend the DWB as it is now because i stand to gain credits from i, i defend it because if they tweak it to make it easier, it will only make it less enjoyable for everyone in the long run.

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zRhyno wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Aspenth wrote:

I too thought the DWB was impossible a few weeks ago. Used to be my home pre-cu, I'd go there all the time with groups for Jetpacks and the occasional Mando piece. Wasn't until recently that we decided it was time to relearn the place. My vision of the bunker has been reversed since then.. it is more fun than ever before. Pre-cu, it was just tank the mobs, let them beat on you for 2 minutes while you take little to no damage and the swordsmen waste away their mind. Now, it's a real challenge, especially now that you have to be selective of the 8 people you bring along. (can be done with more, I know, but most groups aren't gonna spend the time getting two of each section key)

I do agree that something needs to be done about the mobs' inherent desire to use AOEs constantly, but I think the levels are fine.

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For better or for worse, the DWB has gotten a reputation as an "impossible" place in some servers... and again, I agree that it is not by any means impossible, and that with a good team that knows what it's doing, it can be done swiftly. But the only people who will defend for the place to remains as it is are those who expect to profit from it, making and selling items for millions of credits to those who aren't "uber-elite" players. And of course they will deny being motivated by greed, but that is really the main motivation.

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Dont generalize. My group barely made any profits from the DWB. We refused to sell jetpacks for 40-50million like people were asking. We charged 7.5m to craft it for you, which barely covered weapon and armor decay costs for the entire group combined. If you helped us in the DWB and got to be a regular in our group you were given a jetpack. We never did it for profit, we did it for the sheer joy of it, hence why im broke and yet i have a a mando helm, chestplate, and a jetpack. We've crafted 9 pieces of mando and 45+ jetpacks, by far the most on the server, yet we arent even close to rolling in the money. I dont defend the DWB as it is now because i stand to gain credits from i, i defend it because if they tweak it to make it easier, it will only make it less enjoyable for everyone in the long run.

Message Edited by zRhyno on 07-13-2005 12:01 AM

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Leek_Stywalker wrote:

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pussycat wrote:


Once again, you resort to misrepresentation of others and what we might have to say. There is no "envy" here, for the simple reason that I'm advocating this position not for personal reasons, but for the enjoyment of a wider number of players. This is something that may not have occured to you because apparently you only think of yourself and your own selfish needs/wants. I am always happy to help out other players in any way that I can, regardless of the difficulty involved, because I believe in team efforts and helping out others who may have less skills or experience than I do. It's very simple, really, not being selfish, but it's not something that I would expect you to understand.

How exactly would it hurt you if they turn down the DWB a notch or two? It wouldn't. You'd still be able to get whatever it is that you have gotten/expect to get from the DWB, in terms of craftable items. Maybe even make some for friends. It would just make it easier for others to get to it. And that is the part that you cannot stand -- letting others share in the same thing that you enjoy. For you, if it's exclusive and leaves others out, GREAT. If it is inclusive and can be enjoyed by more players, BAD. Changing the CL of the mobs would not necessarily result in more craftable items being available, the quantity can still be controlled by the drop rate of the components. What it would do is make it easier for those who may want to do the DWB without wanting to craft items in there, or those who don't want crafted items but want to help out their friends and/or guilidies to get them.

The DWB is not the greatest challenge in the game... the greatest challenge is being a cooperative player who helps others out and is not only looking out for himself/herself. And that is the challenge that is beyond you.

Nobody is crying for an "easy mode", turn down the CL levels or area attacks and it will still be a hard dungeon to get through, in many cases, for those who already know who to do it, it might be possible to get it done with one or two less players.

Stop being selfish and looking out only for your interests and those of players who hope to make MILLION$ from the DWB if it remains relatively unaccessible to many players.

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Firstly you really seem to have some problem with highend content remaining high end. Secondly you seem to think that the main reason people do it is to be "uber" or "make MILLION$". This simply is not the case.

My group does it for a simple reason, the reason is to have a challenge. This bunker is currently the hardest part of the game, it provides months and months of content, such as sourcing the parts and learning and creating different strategies to compete within the bunker. The rewards are great, but im my eyes they come second place to the sensation of beating the hardest part of the game. In my eyes that is not being uber, it is having ambition and setting high goals.

Turning down the cl will affect everyone, those, like myself, whom tackle the bunker for a true challenge would find it too easy. Already now it is not as tough as people may think, providing you have the right group you can get in and out within an hour, i personally would like to see that become more of a challenge, and my group have been doing so by removing certain elements such as the number of Jedi involoved.

I undertstand with forums that nobody wins a debate, its just a group of people argueing over a forum untill one or more get RSI. I shall leave you to continue your quest for an easy mode (yes lowering the cl will make the bunker easier) and thus spoling the challenge for those of us whom are lucky enough to have a dedicate group. Just rememvber as the game progresses, you complete more "normal" quests such as those on Kashyyyk. PvP becomes more of a joke (double hit exploits and gank squads) people will want some high end content to keep themselves entertained, lowering the mob levels will give them short term content but remove the longterm factor and the sense of accomplishment that people gain now from it.

Good luck with your easy mode quest

/tiphat

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AyahtollahofRockNRolla wrote:

DWB is fine as is, its not meant for every nublet to go prancing around in, u just need a skilled group that knows what theyre doin. If you can't get er done go hit the narg cave on naboo, or go find some spice fiends.

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zRhyno wrote:
Turning it down any will make it the new zone to camp, period. Most of hte people who do the DWB do it for mandalorian armor in the long run, and i can guarntee that 99% of hte people will NOT sell armor when they get it. Only a few greedy people sell jetpacks for millions of profits, yes, but your using that a basis that anyone who defends the DWB are greedy money grubbing whores.

You do NOT need jeedai to do this bunker, we have proven that already. Dont come here and complain that it should be lowered simply because you cannot do it. I know of at least 1 group (many have more) on 90% of the servers that can still do it, we/them are the dedicated ones that wont quit. Your the exception, and instead of trying to pull a solution out of it, your trying to nerf the DWB onto your low standards. Aint going to happen.

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zRhyno wrote:
No matter what we say you'll still base what you say off your flawed opinions. So keep it up, you have yet to say anything new or worthwhile.

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