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Thread: Bounty Hunter Exploit Questions

Jharding13
Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:13 pm
#27

If the devs have such a problem with this... Why don't they fix it so that it cannot happen ? Sounds stupid that people can be BANNED for a mistake with THEIR programming! it's not our fault they added that feature so we shouldn't loose days of our pay because of that. they should FIX it!

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Caalin
Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:14 pm
#28



quitch wrote:


Caalin wrote:

Answer the question: When would a jedi would have to clone who has a doctor for an alternate character?

Ok, I will. If the alt is with them, than never. It is not something you should care about. Why do you even care how much xp the Jedi looses?





Thank you. And if they never have to clone, which is part of the game, they are using a loop hole and are actually the ones who not playing the game fairly. I've already explained why it mattered. I'll try again... I'm playing Star Wars. I'm a Rebel. Rebels do not like Imperials. By hurting the Imperial characters it is helping my team win the game.



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ForDee
Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:08 pm
#29






Tretery wrote:
And it is the BHs job to make us lose the 30k, which is totally cool. Corpse camping us and making us clone is not your job, however. Your job ends when you get payed.




Forgive me if i'm wrong, but someone said that BH's do not get paid until the Jedi clones.



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SeminoleDriver
Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:19 pm
#30






ForDee wrote:





Tretery wrote:
And it is the BHs job to make us lose the 30k, which is totally cool. Corpse camping us and making us clone is not your job, however. Your job ends when you get payed.




Forgive me if i'm wrong, but someone said that BH's do not get paid until the Jedi clones.






I think you may be referring to my post. If so thats not what I meant, what I mean is that it would be ok corpse camp IF the bounty was not paid until the mark cloned. The way it is now the BH gets his payout as soon as the Jedi is incapped. Thus corpse camping, although allowed by game mechanics, is considered an exploit.


I agree its "Mean" but not an exploit or a bannable offense. We other players used to be able to get ganked by Jedi's camping the factional bases when they needed to kill us to go up the FRS. That of course has changed, but nonetheless Jedi were not being warned/banned for doing it.


There is an inate bias/favortism from the Devs towards the Jedi. Why? I don't know, but at the same time its not the players fault so punishing them will do nothing more than bring forth more Dev attention and thus more distain. Solution, let it die, ignore the Jedi, stop complaining about them, stop defending or promoting actions to make a Jedi's life harder and most imporant of all STOP GLORIFYING the Jedi. They have done nothing special besides grind.


I'm not against Jedi. I'm against ONE SINGLE SOLITARY group recieving unlimited dev attention while other professions are left to be useless. I mean honestly, in a Star Wars universe I have no ranged skills at all, all melee and I could woopa carbineers arse if I wanted to????





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Tretery
Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:51 pm
#31



SeminoleDriver wrote:


ForDee wrote:


Tretery wrote:
And it is the BHs job to make us lose the 30k, which is totally cool. Corpse camping us and making us clone is not your job, however. Your job ends when you get payed.

Forgive me if i'm wrong, but someone said that BH's do not get paid until the Jedi clones.


I think you may be referring to my post. If so thats not what I meant, what I mean is that it would be ok corpse camp IF the bounty was not paid until the mark cloned. The way it is now the BH gets his payout as soon as the Jedi is incapped. Thus corpse camping, although allowed by game mechanics, is considered an exploit.

I agree its "Mean" but not an exploit or a bannable offense. We other players used to be able to get ganked by Jedi's camping the factional bases when they needed to kill us to go up the FRS. That of course has changed, but nonetheless Jedi were not being warned/banned for doing it.

There is an inate bias/favortism from the Devs towards the Jedi. Why? I don't know, but at the same time its not the players fault so punishing them will do nothing more than bring forth more Dev attention and thus more distain. Solution, let it die, ignore the Jedi, stop complaining about them, stop defending or promoting actions to make a Jedi's life harder and most imporant of all STOP GLORIFYING the Jedi. They have done nothing special besides grind.

I'm not against Jedi. I'm against ONE SINGLE SOLITARY group recieving unlimited dev attention while other professions are left to be useless. I mean honestly, in a Star Wars universe I have no ranged skills at all, all melee and I could woop a carbineers arse if I wanted to????






No.. not incapped. They get payed when the Jedi is Deathblowed.. but corpse camping.

And it is an exploit. They are keeping the MISSION TEF after they HAVE COMPLETED THE MISSION. That is why corpse camping a Jedi bounty gets people warned, moved, and sometimes Jedi rezzed in compensation.



Niethen H'rall


AlexPKeaton
Wed Sep 15, 2004 5:12 pm
#32

As someone who was a bounty hunter and did hunt jedi for a bit, I can definately see where your coming from with this post, as it certainly lacks a sense of "fair play" when a jedi you tracked and killed can get up without suffering the penalty that the would if they cloned. However, some of the problems with this system that have been put in place caused me to give up hunting other player jedi, and BH.


First, what they are doing is technically not an exploit. Rezing and second toons are both legal, and part of the game. What a person chooses to do with that second toon is up to them. If they want a doctor for an alt so they can rez their jedi every time they die, well that just makes sense, and you really can't blame them for that, if anything blame the devs for allowing it.


Second, there just isn't a risk in it for the Bounty Hunter. Being someone who believes in fair play I can definately understand wanting to help your side in every way you can. If you roleplay and are involved in the GCW then it is necessary to see the person you are hunting as the enemy, and as such you would do anything to hinder their progress. However as such it just didn't make sense to me that there was no penalty if I took a mission to kill a player jedi and they instead killed me. It was here that I started to understand more of the jede's point of view in all of this. If I was a bounty hunter, hired by someone to hunt down and kill someone, and I was instead killed by them, then I have failed my mission. It would also make it harder for me to get future work as a bounty hunter if I had developed a reputation for my marks killing me. Now imagine if every time you died you lost 30k Investigation XP, and every time you cloned you lost 200k Investigation XP. You would probably do anything possible to avoid the clone, including self ezing.


Basicly, the system is a little screwed up. By bugs or by intention is debateable, but either way there is far too much arguing going on for anyone to say it is working correctly.




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quitch
Wed Sep 15, 2004 5:26 pm
#33

That would make Jedi-hunting more risky. But 30K is way too high. It should be a 1k loss maybe.



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AlexPKeaton
Wed Sep 15, 2004 5:33 pm
#34

Yeah, I know 30k is too high, just using it as an example because it takes a long time to grind Investigation, just like it does to gring jedi xp. Still I think some sort of loss in XP or rank would even things up a bit. It makes sense that if you wanna take part in Jedi hunting there should be something for both parties to lose.




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NACHODEWI
Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:23 am
#35

It would not surprise me. The devs have ruined the pvp because of Jedi and dedicated major publishes to them. The devs would screw over 90% of the player base to protect the jedi.



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Caalin
Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:25 am
#36

In this game we are at war. If I have an opportunity to hurt the enemy players by making there jedi lose points by cloning, I am going to do it. That is the point - to make the other guy die for his beliefs. The point isn't to take a screen shot of a jedi corpse. I kill way to many jedi to care about a screen shot. If I offer the jedi the opportunity to pay me a reasonable amout of money to leave his corpse and he won't pay, then I feel I have every right to not let them clone. If I am wrong then I guess they'll just supsend my account.

If the developers thought that jedi should never have to clone, then that wouldn't even be an option. And if they thought it was a bug and they had 1000 jedi sending reports everyday about bounty hunter using this "bug" as an exploit... then I'd think they would have fixed it by now or publicly addressed it. As a matter of fact, I am doing them a service by making the jedi grind longer and paying for more months.

If you don't want to get killed by a bounty hunter, then don't be a jedi or try being smart with your jedi.



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Tretery
Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:35 am
#37

Thinking like this is why the Bounty Hunter Community is so widely despised. If you continue to corpse camp, i'll continue to report. Seems to be the way its gonna go.



Niethen H'rall


Caalin
Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:03 am
#38



AlexPKeaton wrote:
First, what they are doing is technically not an exploit. Rezing and second toons are both legal, and part of the game. What a person chooses to do with that second toon is up to them. If they want a doctor for an alt so they can rez their jedi every time they die, well that just makes sense, and you really can't blame them for that, if anything blame the devs for allowing it.
Second, there just isn't a risk in it for the Bounty Hunter. Being someone who believes in fair play I can definately understand wanting to help your side in every way you can. If you roleplay and are involved in the GCW then it is necessary to see the person you are hunting as the enemy, and as such you would do anything to hinder their progress. However as such it just didn't make sense to me that there was no penalty if I took a mission to kill a player jedi and they instead killed me. It was here that I started to understand more of the jede's point of view in all of this. If I was a bounty hunter, hired by someone to hunt down and kill someone, and I was instead killed by them, then I have failed my mission. It would also make it harder for me to get future work as a bounty hunter if I had developed a reputation for my marks killing me. Now imagine if every time you died you lost 30k Investigation XP, and every time you cloned you lost 200k Investigation XP. You would probably do anything possible to avoid the clone, including self ezing.
Basicly, the system is a little screwed up. By bugs or by intention is debateable, but either way there is far too much arguing going on for anyone to say it is working correctly.





Good Post.

What you said about the bounty hunter having no risk is completely true. I think It is an intereting idea to have the bounty hunter lose investigation points for dieing on the bounty. As a roleplayer I do find it important to try to hurt my enemies, but what I am truely after by sticking near the jedi's corpse is money. I usually offer 200-250k for me to walk away, which I feel is very reasonable. Bounty hunting does not make any money so I need to do something. The problem is they won't pay that small amount of money, and indstead accuse me of being a cheater. I only want them to not like me enough to pay me, I don't honestly want to enrage fellow SWQ players all day.



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DJM_Order
Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:25 am
#39

IT IS BANABLE


Same goes for someone who freigns death and you stay around and wait or keep attacking , I was personally baned for 7 days along with 7 others.


An overt imp we killed or almost killed freigned death , so we kept shooting him ... for maybe 30 - 45 seconds .


He loged the combat window and 3 days after that non of us could log in.


Personally i think its stupid, you should be free to do what ever you like but it IS banable , and i suspect for someone who it REALLY matters to like a Jedi , they would most definatly complain to a csr and log the combat window much more than most other players.


Because they loose 200k FS exp there's no way they wouldnt just cry to a csr , he would reinstate there loss and ban the offender.



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