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Thread: Pics of Jedi & active lighsaber for those interested

JediMasterCarlito
Wed Jul 23, 2003 1:52 pm
#27






Ehrik wrote:

You're telling us that, solo, you took out not one but three dark jedi, barely using any specials, and obviously not utilizing burst run, without taking so much as a single smidgeon of damage to your HAM. One DJ has, what, 100k health? And you're doing, on average, 110-120 pts per shot? That's roughly 800 shots!!





Dark Jedi don't have 100K health. I'm not sure of the correct range, but it's not even close to 100K (somewhere between 15K-30K). Once I get home from work (one hour), I'll post the correct range here.




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Holymight_
Wed Jul 23, 2003 1:55 pm
#28






Ehrik wrote:

Look, nothing personal but no way am I buying this. These pics tell me one of the following:



  • - Jedi NPCs suck in this game, and are gimped worse than BEs;

  • - CH's are insanely overpowered;

  • - You're a damned good photoshop editor.

You're telling us that, solo, you took out not one but three dark jedi, barely using any specials, and obviously not utilizing burst run, without taking so much as a single smidgeon of damage to your HAM. One DJ has, what, 100k health? And you're doing, on average, 110-120 pts per shot? That's roughly 800 shots!!


Guessing 1.8 sec per shot, 800 shots...1400 seconds.


23 minutes.


You solo'd a Dark Jedi for 23 minutes.


Three times.


Running through terrain.


Barely using specials.


Through assumedly hostile territory.


And you took absolutely no damage.


Hmmm.






Again people have the wrong information. A Dark Jedi Knight has about 17000 hp, not 100000. And of course i used burst run, I used it a LOT.




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Kronx
Wed Jul 23, 2003 2:02 pm
#29

Wow, I'm surprised a pistol was effective on a Jedi. I thought they were supposed to block shots and what not. The devs ahve said no one should be soloing red cons at all. I don't think the pistol is the problem though. I think AI is the problem here.
Vashner
Wed Jul 23, 2003 2:03 pm
#30

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Vashner
Wed Jul 23, 2003 2:06 pm
#31

Yea it should take a full group to take out this Dark Jedi.... And a well organized full group at that.



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Ehrik
Wed Jul 23, 2003 2:12 pm
#32

Then the numbers still don't jive.


Fine, considerably cut down the time from 23 minutes to 5 minutes. You're using /burstrun, which we all know is on a limited timer. While I don't have actuals, I don't believe you can use it for that long a period. I'm betting closer to a minute, max.


Even stretching the limits, we're talking about 3-4 minutes of combat.


And /burstrun takes from your mind pool.


Look I'm not doubting (completely) that you defeated these DJ, I've heard too many stories similar to dispute them. What's concerning me is that your HAM shows absolutely no damage, none. Zero, zilch, nada, zippo, nil. The methodology you apparently used shouldn't be possible.


NO ONE should be able to do this. I don't care about how long its been, I don't care that the game has only been out a month, the idea that anyone should be able to solo a Jedi - let alone three- is absolutely nuts. It makes the idea of raising stats your stats feel pointless, since NPCS that are supposed to be among the elite/toughest in the gameare shownto be gimped beyond all.


Am I angry about this? Absolutely! This tells me there are no real challenges out there, none. Game over, pack it up and move on. Group? Why group when I can solo a jedi? Everything will feel easy by comparison, so big whoop!


So yes, part of my disbelief over the events described are because I don't want to believe it can be that easy. I fully admit that. Dark Jedi, by these pics, are low-risk threats.


Or, as i said, you're a good photoshop editor.


Forgive me if I'd rather believe the latter over the former. It's not personal.




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CritchStarblade
Wed Jul 23, 2003 2:30 pm
#33

I'm glad you took the time to do this, it must have taken forever to do, but as others have said, I'm not sure what you killed but it certainly wasn't a Jedi, dark or otherwise. A true Jedi would have blocked every shot you had, Force-pulled you to him, and wiped you out instantenously, no matter how fast you can run. Burst Run or not. Thirty to one, ok he might have a shot. But not one on one. The only reason you beat him is because that wasn't a true Jedi. I don't believe Jedi should even be in the game as NPC's. The entire point of why we aren't allowed to be Jedi is that "They're not supposed to be around period. There's only a few, Luke, Yoda, Darth, and The Emperor himself." But apparently there's thisinfinite number of Dark Jedi running around, and that's okay. But we can't be Jedi at all...there's just something not right about that...




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Son_Gokuu
Wed Jul 23, 2003 2:37 pm
#34






jros1981 wrote:

You should not be able to solo a Jedi, Unless you are one yourself. I hope they fix the AI so the NPC Jedi




Didn't Jango solo a jedi in EpII? Didn't he also more than hold his own against Kenobi? If there's anything that EpII shows you it's that Jedi aren't Gods.
Ehrik
Wed Jul 23, 2003 2:52 pm
#35

Jango was, unarguably, the best of his profession - just as Boba is/was.


He didn't "solo" a Jedi Knight, he held even with one (and I'll ignore young Boba's help with the guns of Slave I). He also got p0wn3d by a Jedi Master.


In either case, his HAM bars would have gone down considerably


What Crappisode II proved was that Jedi can be beaten...at a lot of risk, wild tactics, self-damage and being tops in your combat skills.


For any regular player to be able to do this...makes a joke out of DJ's.




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TruthfulDemise
Wed Jul 23, 2003 6:08 pm
#36

Ummm, Wasnt there like..Xizor...or SHizor...or whatever from Shadows of the empire around? I read some of those books...And then there was like, that dark jedi in that book about Kyle Katarn...who became a jedi....and...i dunno, im rusty on my Book Learned Starwars History....



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Agnius
Wed Jul 23, 2003 6:37 pm
#37

The only class in the game that will ever be able to solo a jedi knight is a creature handler. (or maybe an extremely lucky rifleman). And i think this will be changed with new nerf to CH.


He did not kill it with his pistol, unless he was able Exploit some terrain ai, the minute he shot the jedi he would die, you can not kite the thing, tozero health.


Notice in the second picture it mentions his camp. I believe he just stayed in camp, and kept recalling his pets everytime they died, and slowly bet away at the jedi's.


Encounters made for a group of elite proffesional player are being soloed by creature handlers.


Actually thinking about it, there is a way, for a pistol to kill one, takes along time, if you used bleed, and burst run, a few times.


To the poster which was it animals or bleed shot

Agnius
Wed Jul 23, 2003 6:40 pm
#38

Take back my above comment. It is possible with guns, unbelievable time requirement, but i've taken down 9k mauler master and lord at same time, in beta but then i had finished rifleman tree.
Snaykinn
Wed Jul 23, 2003 6:52 pm
#39

Moved to the appropriate forum.



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