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Thread: Sith?

DarthFierce
Wed May 12, 2004 3:13 pm
#14

Something seems wrong with the theory that there can only be 2 sith at any given time - I know that is what is written in the EU and is what has been believed since Lord Bane revamped the order of the Sith so that there could only be a Master and an apprentice. We also hear that there can only be 2 sith from Yoda in Episode 1...however, I just can't shake my doubts that this isn't true. In the original 3 movies one of the most memorable lines is said from Vader to Palpatine in regards to Luke - "He will joinUS or die my master". That statement implies that Luke will join both Vader AND Palpatine in the dark side as Sith Lords. The fact that only 2 sith can exist seems to me to be a bit of a legend passed down from generation to generation - perhaps through the jedi archives - in episode one we learn that the jedi believe the sith had been extinct for a thousand years - even master Yoda who had been training jedi for 800 years would not have been around since the last time the sith were supposedly heard from. Perhaps the rules and the structure of the Sith had again been changed since the time of Lord Bane - if he could 'change the rules' why couldn't future Sith Lords change them back so there could be more than 2 sith? Sure we hear that there can only be 2 sith at any one time from Yoda - a jedi master - but when you listen to what Vader and Palpatine say it seems they imply (if not state explicitly) that there can be more tnan 2 sith. I think I would rather lean towards what the actual sith say about their rules and regulations that what I heard from a jedi master that had no real experience with the sith throughout his entire 800 year career as a jedi trainer. Also, if there can only be 2 sith at any one time... why are BOTH Vader and Palpatine so eager to track down Luke?If there can only be 2 at any one time that would mean if they suceeded in turning Luke that one of them would have to go - seems odd that they would be so eager for this to happen. A good libe from Return of the Jedi is from palpatine to Luke - "it is you who are mistaken - about a great many things' - could one of these mistakes be that there can only be 2 sith at once? Lastly, in ROTJ Palpatine says to Luke - 'you, like your father are now mine' - this means is his opinion he has 2 apprentices at once - both Luke and Vader - he even calls Luke his young apprentice with Vader standing right there! The one thing I would believe that Yoda said is that the dark Side clouds everything - even the rules of how many sith there can be at once!
Townnut
Wed May 12, 2004 3:45 pm
#15

yeah, its funny to, cause vader wanted luke to turn to the dark side and join him and destroy palpatine. his quote in empire strikes back was "join me and together we can rule the galaxy as father and son" thus meaning the emperor was out of the picture. but the heres alittle history of the sith:



Eventually came the Dynatic Sith Dynasty, about 1,000 years before The Phantom Menace. Sith Lord Qodis trained Darth Bane in the arts of the Sith. Darth Bane never completed his training and rejected his master, but managed to gain possession of the Sith Holocron. All Sith were wiped out at the Battle of Gradon. Only Darth Bane and his apprentice survived, a young woman named Ishto Papar from the planet Nibon. Ishto Papar left Darth Bane to become the fabled Dark Woman, who fled Darth Bane and returned to the light side of the Force in hiding. The Dark Woman found a means to make herself virtually immortal and lived to train Aurra Sing the Herclu.

Darth Bane took on a new apprentice, whom he dubbed Darth Seer. With Darth Seer, he hid upon Coruscant, where the Sith were to remain for several generations. Darth Bane established a Rule of Two, only one master and one apprentice at a time, the sole inheritors of the Dynatic Sith Dynasty.

Upon his death of old age, Darth Seer established a formalized Code for the Sith Order, recruiting the next Sith, Darth Mongerer, who followed his code. One rule was of course, the Rule of Two. Another was that a Sith apprentice needed to construct his own light saber and it had to be red-bladed. The secret to making a red-bladed Sith light saber was to be found in the Sith Holocron. The Sith Holocron was encrypted by a password code containing a long series of Sith words. Darth Seer further insisted the title “Darth” which merely meant “shadow warrior” be made equivalent with the title “Lord” in honor of Darth Bane. This was to remind all future Sith that being a Sith Lord meant always being a warrior.

Darth Seer died of old age, succeeded by his apprentice. Darth Mongerer faithfully continued the Order of the Sith in hiding on Coruscant. A Jedi dueled and beheaded Darth Mongerer, but Mongerer hid the fact that he was a Sith and his apprentice succeeded him as Sith Master. Around this time, Yoda D’Kana the Whill was born on Grentarik, the World of Records. Yoda’s father, Syville Demetris D’Kana, allowed his son to be taken in by the Jedi Order at a young age. Yoda trained under Bontu Sitmus the orange Whill. Bontu Sitmus trained under Losho Yik. Bontu Sitmus became a legend in his own lifetime by slaying 7 Dark Jedi at a single time, all by himself.

Two centuries into the Dynatic Sith Dynasty, the Sith Lord Darth Gilgon discovered Darth Augor on the planet Nefeyi. The young Darth Augor grew to become one of the greatest Sith of all time. Darth Gilgon was slain with a Force tornado, making Darth Augor the Master. Darth Augor slew dozens of Jedi, but was in turn ambushed and slain by 17 Jedi, including the young Yoda. Darth Augor concealed his identity as a Sith and the Sith Order continued undetected.

When Yoda was 177, the Jedi Holocron kept by Shintor Beerus was rediscovered, prophesying the One who would bring Balance to the Force. Yoda was a more formidable Jedi than Evins Croslod and even Aenon Jurtis, the most formidable Jedi before his time. Many considered Yoda to be the fulfillment of the prophecy, but upon examining the Holocron, Yoda could not be the One, for the One would be born of a virgin mother.

Yoda rose through the ranks, eventually becoming a member of the Jedi Council under Lady Lidius Frotgus. Under her, the Jedi Holocron kept by Shintor Beerus was rediscovered. Yoda lived during the rise of the most powerful Dark Jedi ever (with the exception of the Sith). This Dark Jedi was Norius Havok of Eegius, who lived 150 years before the events of The Phantom Menace.

Unnoticed to the Jedi, one Sith succeeded another on Coruscant, eventually leading up to Darth Frordon of Dresdane. On Dresdane, Frordon set up a duel between his apprentice Baltimort and Baltimort’s potential replacement, Imperius. Baltimort and Imperius were each Baraosi, both from the planet Bothiwite, also known as Tindell 5, the fifth planet of the Tindell Star System. Since Imperius had a collection of kyber crystals, but was less experienced than Baltimort, Imperius and Baltimort teamed up against Frordon. Baltimort became Imperius’ master, until Imperius slew Baltimort by an ever-growing collection of kyber crystals and heightened skill. Imperius slew Baltimort by means of a Force earthquake.

After this, Imperius apprenticed a young boy from Naboo, Dantius Palpatine and dubbed him Darth Sidious. Imperius had several kyber crystals and eventually gave Palpatine one of these kyber crystals. The kyber crystals were forged by the Rodar Wizards of Perdonis and scattered throughout the Galaxy, about 100,000 years before the events of The Phantom Menace. Unbeknownst to Imperius, Palpatine had found a far more potent kyber crystal than anything Imperius had. Palpatine located it on the planet Moovis, which he purchased from Ushkar Madcra, a bounty hunter who sold it as junk. This potent kyber crystal made Palpatine too powerful for his master to control. On the planet Skaggis, Palpatine sliced off Imperius’ arms, sliced Imperius in half from head to hip, then finished Imperius off with a Force tornado when Imperius was 52 years old.






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Skraak
Wed May 12, 2004 3:49 pm
#16

sith as a race died out ages ago.


While there would ovbiously be more than 2 "sith"...there was only one Master and Apprentice at anytime.
Skraak
Wed May 12, 2004 3:51 pm
#17

oh..and about the Vader/Luke/Palpatine thing, when Palpatine says it to Luke, he wanted Luke to kill Vader like someone said. i do belive that an apprentice could have an apprentice, the other apprentice just wouldnt be a "Sith" til the Master died.
Townnut
Wed May 12, 2004 3:54 pm
#18


more history:

Palpatine took on an apprentice named Darth Voltres. Darth Voltres, while still an apprentice himself, apprenticed Darth Orcron and possibly others, breaking the Sith Rule of Two. Palpatine found out and sliced Darth Voltres in half, from head to torso, then hunted down and slew Darth Orcron as well. (It is possible one of Voltres’ surviving students trained Asajj Ventress of Rattatak, who claimed to be a Sith warrior when Count Dooku discovered her.)

Undaunted, Palpatine sought out a new apprentice. He found a very young Zabrak on Iridonia named Khameir Sarin. Succeeding Palpatine’s tests, Khameir Sarin began to be known as Darth Maul. Before the Sith revealed their existence to the Jedi, Darth Maul succeeded in slaying 3 Jedi: Barco Trellius, Roro Fergus and Ji-Dis Flar. Darth Maul revealed himself to the Jedi, as shown in The Phantom Menace.

Some of the Jedi in The Phantom Menace were in fact the most powerful Jedi in history. Not only was Yoda of Grentarik one of the most powerful Jedi ever, but so were some of his colleagues on the Jedi Council including Plo Koon of Dorin, Yarael Poof the Quermian, Even Piell the Lannik and, of course, the amazing Mace Windu. Yarael Poof was trained by Zinkor Dawn and Even Piell was trained by Haccor Topkin.

Mace Windu came from Erberius and was related to another formidable Jedi, Usby Thape. However, Mace Windu ended up being trained by someone he was not related to, Cloto Nervon. Mace Windu in turn trained Depa Billaba and Ipto Follers, and fought Dark Jedi Barkius Zok. Let us not forget Master Qui-Gon Jinn and his apprentice, Obi-Wan Kenobi. Qui-Gon Jinn came from planet Hargithon. Obi-Wan was born on the yellow rocky world of Pilegias. As a very young boy, he was found on the planet Kelchase and given by his parents to the Jedi Order.






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coolguyc82
Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:18 pm
#19

ShannonKnight
Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:20 pm
#20

Waiting 9 hours now for them. Been everywhere. Shuttled logged, been in cities, player cities in the wild, sat on the ground for quite some time, traveled around, used swoop, mount and feet so far no luck.
I've heard though they spawn in player cities too. If so keep us updated!



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Spike7913
Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:21 pm
#21

people have been visited by the old man in the middle of player cities



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yup, back to oasis



Azazale
Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:24 pm
#22

I have seen both the old man and the sith show up in player cities



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coolguyc82
Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:26 pm
#23

alright thanks guys keep posting your results.




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wooliewoobie
Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:31 pm
#24

the old man came to me just outside of a player city right by my harvesters where i logged off the night before


still waiting for the sith




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Fallsguy
Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:44 pm
#25

On Tempest the old man showed up 3 different times at a wedding being held in a player city.



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Effulgence
Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:45 pm
#26






ShannonKnight wrote:
Waiting 9 hours now for them. Been everywhere. Shuttled logged, been in cities, player cities in the wild, sat on the ground for quite some time, traveled around, used swoop, mount and feet so far no luck.
I've heard though they spawn in player cities too. If so keep us updated!





Feel yoru pain...er no i don't 20 mintues after old man talked to me the sith spawned while i was out in the middle of Lok
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