Game Guides Archive
Thread: Devs plz DWB need some love!
PaladinNhoj wrote:
zRhyno wrote:
drbeagle wrote:
PaladinNhoj wrote:
OH MY GOD! PEOPLE! QUIT CRYING! My Team on Bloodfin has made over 25 jetpacks and 4 pieces of armor (we would make more armor but binary drops are bad on BF). 2 pieces of armor are POST cu and 4 jetpacks are POST cu. IT IS WAYYYYYYYY TOO EASY! 45 minutes and we're done. 8 people. 6 combat, 1 CM and 1 crafter.........Come on.............Don't ask for it to be easier, idiots like you are ruining this game. If ANYTHING, it needs to be higher, CL 100's and higher is what we'd like. We're sick of it being so easy that our newest challange has been to clear out an entire Corellian Corvette with a team of 8. So far we've got down to just over 15 mobs left before we run out of time. Please people, quit crying and get better.
25 jetpacks? Man sunrunner must be lazy cause all they have is like 4 on the entire galaxy.
Ouch..my groups alone have crafted 45 by now, and 10-15 others have been done by others
We've been lacking stupid jetpack bases man. The loot drops on Bloodfin are horrible, lack of jp bases and binary liquid has killed our production. We're also the first group on BF to make mando or a jetpack and only 1 other group has made jetpacks and they've only made 3 and they were pre cu.
Exactly the same problem on Eclipse 
.
In regards to the dwb difficulty i agree that the difficulty shouldnt be lowered, with the right group and good coordination you can steamroller your way down. When i started runs down there i tagged along with another group, once i learnt the tricks i trained up members of my guild, got them on a TS server and we did fine. when the cu came we heard it was impossible but when we actually looked at the game features (e.g rez down there and no need for buffs) we went down and realised it was possible.
Please people dont cry nerf, it has been done post cu on many servers which means there is no need for a fix. Imagine if they did lower the cl so that casual groups could take it, would you want to see mando armour in the same frequency as RIS? or more jetpacks than AV-21s.
Im not saying it because i have one and want to keep it rare. I want to keep it rare because owning a jetpack and building a suit of mando is an awe inspiring accomplishment, lets not ruin that.
jahlad wrote:can anyone confirm that binary liquid is dropping post cu?
We've looted 3. On Chilastra our problem has always been PLC drops, by now theres at least 10 extra BL's on chilastra.
A I M E S The jetpack base drop on sunruner is bad too.
Theres like only 2 mando helmets on sunrunner that I know of. The first one was crafted before the CU. But the second one was so hard to do. Most people on sunrunner dont know what to do when they get inside the DWB. So what we did is, I cloaked and took all the aggro from the mobs and we made it to the crafting room.
It was tough though, alot of the times the aggro would reach out to the other players in the group. Maybe I will try brute force next time.
Effulgence wrote:
I just crafted my Jetpack last night with the help of Rhyno...Its not difficult...You just have to know what your doing and when to do it. Like i said the SBDs with guns get annoying though
i hate the ones with the stun batons moe
Riwarr wrote:
There are groups of people doing this and doing it without to much trouble its ment to be challanging for the best players not the second best players. There are plenty of lairs and dungons in the game for good groups. DWB is for the elite groups of players it doesn't take more than a week to become a double combat elite template and so you can't expect any group of lvl 80 players to just head there and walk throught without any worries its ment to be the hardest dungon in the game. I also wouldn't be that worried if it was tuned up a notch actually it would make it a little more fun althought I would prefer it if the kept DWB the same and introduced a new more challanging dungon I don't think there are enought high end dungons in the game at the moment.
I have gone in there with 1-2 groups of lvl80 players and no, we were not expecting to walk through without any worries, and I still think it should definitely be taken down a notch... I enjoy a challenge as much as anybody else. But the way it is right now, it is discouraging to a lot of lvl80 players who enjoy a hard dungeon but aren't as dedicated the rest of us. The DWB needs to be toned down slightly because it will benefit the player base as a whole, not just the uber-elite players who want to craft stuff they can sell for zillions of credits to stuff their pockets.
Leek_Stywalker wrote:
PaladinNhoj wrote:
zRhyno wrote:
drbeagle wrote:
PaladinNhoj wrote:
OH MY GOD! PEOPLE! QUIT CRYING! My Team on Bloodfin has made over 25 jetpacks and 4 pieces of armor (we would make more armor but binary drops are bad on BF). 2 pieces of armor are POST cu and 4 jetpacks are POST cu. IT IS WAYYYYYYYY TOO EASY! 45 minutes and we're done. 8 people. 6 combat, 1 CM and 1 crafter.........Come on.............Don't ask for it to be easier, idiots like you are ruining this game. If ANYTHING, it needs to be higher, CL 100's and higher is what we'd like. We're sick of it being so easy that our newest challange has been to clear out an entire Corellian Corvette with a team of 8. So far we've got down to just over 15 mobs left before we run out of time. Please people, quit crying and get better.
25 jetpacks? Man sunrunner must be lazy cause all they have is like 4 on the entire galaxy.
Ouch..my groups alone have crafted 45 by now, and 10-15 others have been done by others
We've been lacking stupid jetpack bases man. The loot drops on Bloodfin are horrible, lack of jp bases and binary liquid has killed our production. We're also the first group on BF to make mando or a jetpack and only 1 other group has made jetpacks and they've only made 3 and they were pre cu.
Exactly the same problem on Eclipse
In regards to the dwb difficulty i agree that the difficulty shouldnt be lowered, with the right group and good coordination you can steamroller your way down. When i started runs down there i tagged along with another group, once i learnt the tricks i trained up members of my guild, got them on a TS server and we did fine. when the cu came we heard it was impossible but when we actually looked at the game features (e.g rez down there and no need for buffs) we went down and realised it was possible.
Please people dont cry nerf, it has been done post cu on many servers which means there is no need for a fix. Imagine if they did lower the cl so that casual groups could take it, would you want to see mando armour in the same frequency as RIS? or more jetpacks than AV-21s.
Im not saying it because i have one and want to keep it rare. I want to keep it rare because owning a jetpack and building a suit of mando is an awe inspiring accomplishment, lets not ruin that.
Yes, but the situation is not the same in all servers because not all servers have the same size population... and when I say casual groups, I don't mean players lvl40-60. I mean those who are CL75-80 and yet not uber-elites. They can take down the actual DWB down a notch and keep some of the components quite rare, then the number of mando armor and jetpacks probably wouldn't be much greater than it is right now.
00over0 wrote:
drbeagle wrote:
The jetpack base drop on sunruner is bad too.
Theres like only 2 mando helmets on sunrunner that I know of. The first one was crafted before the CU. But the second one was so hard to do. Most people on sunrunner dont know what to do when they get inside the DWB. So what we did is, I cloaked and took all the aggro from the mobs and we made it to the crafting room.
It's hard on us smaller servers--fewer good players, fewer good groups, fewer people interested and willing to put in the time to learn high-level content.Some servers shouldn't be touched, but there are some that I think are in need of consolidation because it's just a little too rural out there.
Exactly the point I've been trying to make... I know that with the right team, we can breeze thru the DWB and get to the crafting room in no time. Been there, done that. But trying to put together a group of people who're willing to do it on a regular basis, that's another problem. In my server, the best players I know aren't particularly interested in the DWB. And those of us who are willing to spend the time it takes to get the most out of the DWB won't necesarily be able to do so in one of these servers as we would in a larger server.
pussycat wrote:
00over0 wrote:
drbeagle wrote:
The jetpack base drop on sunruner is bad too.
Theres like only 2 mando helmets on sunrunner that I know of. The first one was crafted before the CU. But the second one was so hard to do. Most people on sunrunner dont know what to do when they get inside the DWB. So what we did is, I cloaked and took all the aggro from the mobs and we made it to the crafting room.
It's hard on us smaller servers--fewer good players, fewer good groups, fewer people interested and willing to put in the time to learn high-level content.
Some servers shouldn't be touched, but there are some that I think are in need of consolidation because it's just a little too rural out there.
Exactly the point I've been trying to make... I know that with the right team, we can breeze thru the DWB and get to the crafting room in no time. Been there, done that. But trying to put together a group of people who're willing to do it on a regular basis, that's another problem. In my server, the best players I know aren't particularly interested in the DWB. And those of us who are willing to spend the time it takes to get the most out of the DWB won't necesarily be able to do so in one of these servers as we would in a larger server.
u guys are not thinking at all... this is supposed to be the hardest place in the game!!! you cannot tone it down so any ragtag group can run in and finish the foreman's quest, that would ruin it because everyone would soon have a jetpack and some mando.
besides, i doubt the devs will give a whoot that a few players cant do it when many others manage to.
ohh, and I am not an uber-elite player, I did it with 4 jedi, 1 rezzer (myself), and 3 more damage dealers, and all but the 4 jedi have only been around 4-6 months
the DWB isnt that hard, just because you cannot do it, dosnt mean the devs should make it easier so you can! it is supposed to require preperation and a good group... do you really htink it would be good for the game if a bunch of CL 80 week old players could run into the DWB and get the Alum Materials?!?! no!!! it would be horrible!
I too thought the DWB was impossible a few weeks ago. Used to be my home pre-cu, I'd go there all the time with groups for Jetpacks and the occasional Mando piece. Wasn't until recently that we decided it was time to relearn the place. My vision of the bunker has been reversed since then.. it is more fun than ever before. Pre-cu, it was justtank the mobs, let them beat on you for 2 minutes while you take little to no damage and the swordsmen waste away their mind. Now,it's a real challenge, especially now that you have to be selective ofthe 8 people you bring along. (can be done with more, I know, but most groups aren't gonnaspend the time gettingtwo ofeach section key)
I do agree that something needs to be done about the mobs' inherent desire to use AOEs constantly, but Ithink the levels are fine.
Dackrendarck wrote:
pussycat wrote:
00over0 wrote:
drbeagle wrote:
The jetpack base drop on sunruner is bad too.
Theres like only 2 mando helmets on sunrunner that I know of. The first one was crafted before the CU. But the second one was so hard to do. Most people on sunrunner dont know what to do when they get inside the DWB. So what we did is, I cloaked and took all the aggro from the mobs and we made it to the crafting room.
It's hard on us smaller servers--fewer good players, fewer good groups, fewer people interested and willing to put in the time to learn high-level content.Some servers shouldn't be touched, but there are some that I think are in need of consolidation because it's just a little too rural out there.
Exactly the point I've been trying to make... I know that with the right team, we can breeze thru the DWB and get to the crafting room in no time. Been there, done that. But trying to put together a group of people who're willing to do it on a regular basis, that's another problem. In my server, the best players I know aren't particularly interested in the DWB. And those of us who are willing to spend the time it takes to get the most out of the DWB won't necesarily be able to do so in one of these servers as we would in a larger server.
u guys are not thinking at all... this is supposed to be the hardest place in the game!!! you cannot tone it down so any ragtag group can run in and finish the foreman's quest, that would ruin it because everyone would soon have a jetpack and some mando.besides, i doubt the devs will give a whoot that a few players cant do it when many others manage to.
ohh, and I am not an uber-elite player, I did it with 4 jedi, 1 rezzer (myself), and 3 more damage dealers, and all but the 4 jedi have only been around 4-6 months
the DWB isnt that hard, just because you cannot do it, dosnt mean the devs should make it easier so you can! it is supposed to require preperation and a good group... do you really htink it would be good for the game if a bunch of CL 80 week old players could run into the DWB and get the Alum Materials?!?! no!!! it would be horrible!
I think it would be you who is not thinking. Yes, it can be the hardest place in the game but only to a degree. Because if you have a team of really good players who know what they are doing, you can breeze through it in no time. I am not talking about a "ragtag" team, nor about new players. I am talking about fully-templated players who have been at the game since it started and are still not happy with the CL levels in the DWB... and I agree with them to a large extent, because as it is in my server the players who've got the skills to pull off the DWB without a hitch just aren't that interested. You are also disingenious in saying you weren't part of an uber-elite team, if you went there with a group of which half the players were Jedi.
Perhaps next time you might consider actually reading the post to which you're replying, since it's perfectly obvious that you didn't even bother to read what I was saying... Yes, I can do the DWB... have done it several times... and still think the levels need to be adjusted.
Aspenth wrote:I too thought the DWB was impossible a few weeks ago. Used to be my home pre-cu, I'd go there all the time with groups for Jetpacks and the occasional Mando piece. Wasn't until recently that we decided it was time to relearn the place. My vision of the bunker has been reversed since then.. it is more fun than ever before. Pre-cu, it was just tank the mobs, let them beat on you for 2 minutes while you take little to no damage and the swordsmen waste away their mind. Now, it's a real challenge, especially now that you have to be selective of the 8 people you bring along. (can be done with more, I know, but most groups aren't gonna spend the time getting two of each section key)
I do agree that something needs to be done about the mobs' inherent desire to use AOEs constantly, but I think the levels are fine.
For better or for worse, the DWB has gotten a reputation as an "impossible" place in some servers... and again, I agree that it is not by any means impossible, and that with a good team that knows what it's doing, it can be done swiftly. But the only people who will defend for the place to remains as it is are those who expect to profit from it, making and selling items for millions of credits to those who aren't "uber-elite" players. And of course they will deny being motivated by greed, but that is really the main motivation.