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DirthNader wrote:

Yup, at about 1600 general crafting xp per swoop or 200 Force sensitive crafting xp, that's just 6000 swoops, or about 37-38 million units of ferrous metal to finish the assembly branch that I unlocked yesterday.

Nope, nothing at all likehologrinding here.

Message Edited by DirthNader on 09-03-2004 07:40 AM

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Message Edited by DirthNader on 09-03-2004 08:02 AM

The artist formerly known as Ittov

Message Edited by OckVofad on 09-03-2004 08:36 AM

Message Edited by OckVofad on 09-03-2004 08:37 AM

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OckVofad wrote:

Using Swoops would be a massive waste of resources. I thought about it and rejected that idea right away.

You need to look at several factors.

First, don't look at crafting xp to FS xp ratio. You need to look at the resource unit to FS xp ratio to determine what is worth making.

Example: Advanced droid frames = 460 droid crafting xp per frame Resource cost = 150 steel and 70 fiberplast

460 droid crafting xp / 5 = 92 FS xp

Two of my advanced droid frames give almost as much FS xp as a swoop and uses 1/20 of the resources.

Second, you need to look at the "clicky" factor. Grind something that you have to click the minimal amount of times to make. The advanced droid frames only forces me to click twice per frame. This is different from a Chest plate where you would need to click 5-6 resources.

So I have determined to get the entire tree using advanced droid frames it would require 8.1 million steel and 3.4 million fiberplast. These are still huge numbers but manageable compared to hundreds of millions ofunits for a swoop.

Message Edited by OckVofad on 09-03-2004 08:36 AM

Message Edited by OckVofad on 09-03-2004 08:37 AM

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DirthNader wrote:

Sounds like there's finally a reason to bea DE

Seriously though, you're still talking about 12,000 combines a line, making useless items as a master crafter. You're okay with that?

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No

But what are we supposed to do? The devs obviously don't play the game...I challenge one of them to grind the force sensitive crafting trees. If they tried, it would get changed, because it is simply UNFUN to mindlessly click your mouse 12000+ times.

The ironic thing is that SWG is called a role-playing game...yet anybody who really embraces that gets left behind.

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DaunteDelfuego wrote:

No

But what are we supposed to do?

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The artist formerly known as Ittov

"translated to ABEC's that's over 52,000 ABEC's at 114xp per...."

Will you people STOP GRINDING and actually PLAY the game???

Read me out on this one.

Last night, as an example, I went to Dathomir because Iwanted to harvest some meat... In the process, Ikilled some nightsisters, singing mountain clan and a ton of Rancors, all in all just having a good time killing everything. After I attained 30,000 Scouting xp and a ton of meat, I noticed thatI had made over 700,000 pistol xp. I wasn't grinding, not at all. I was having fun and definitely enjoying the game.

Now in regards to your comment about grinding ABEC's, yea, I GUESS you could grind.. OR.. just become a doctor and you'll get 1000 doctor xp PER BUFF you apply. You'll cap out your doc xp once every few hours and you'll be unlocking your trees left and right.

IT'S REALLY NOT THAT COMPLICATED. Play the game, choose a profession, have some fun. You'll cap your xp significantly faster and you won't feel like you're wasting your time playing a game that has, "such a horrible grind."

I'm just sick of reading posts from people about how boring this game is. You think your grind is going to change once you get Jedi? No. In fact, it only gets worse. If ALL you do is grind grind grind then yes, this game IS horribly boring.

Edit: For clarification, I was merely implying that there are easier ways tounlock the various trees than sitting around in your basement grinding. You're wasting your time.

Look at the breakdown. (This may be out of date?)

Weapons xps -- 30->1
Combat xps -- 3->1
Squad Leader xps -- ?->1
Crafting XPs
Medicine Crafting -- 5->1
General Crafting -- 8->1
Spice Crafting -- 5->1
Sense XPs
Image Design xps -- 15->1
Dancing xps -- 10->1
Musician xps -- 10->1
Entertainer Healing xps -- 10->1
Scout xps -- 8->1
Trapping xps -- 15->1
Survival xps -- 5->1
Medical xps -- 10->1
Surveying xps -- ?->1

Yea, sure you can get a 5-1 ratio on medicine crafting but it's a LOT easier to get doctor XP, 100x faster, easier and cheaper. Not to mention, you'd actually make money AND play the game simultaneously. So why choose to convert med crafting xp? Combat xp is 30-1 according to that chart so technically it doesn't seem like a good conversion.. though, when you consider I can get 900,000 heavy weapons xp in about an hour.. well, perhaps it's not so bad?

Message Edited by Illuminatrix on 09-03-2004 10:41 AM

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Blimigerite wrote:

So how cheap will the swoop market get now-a-days? I sure hope you aren't going to practice mode all of those The crafting FS trees are a joke and a half. I'm glad we had all of those TestCenter people really testing the system and helping decide how reasonable the xp requirements really were.

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DRWolfe wrote:

Don't blame this on the testers. I'm not a tester, but I was on the TC Forum quite a bit while this was being tested, and I can tell you for sure that MANY a post was made about the insane XP conversion rates. No joy. Now it's pretty much got to be left as it is, otherwise everyone who's already converted some XP will be screwed.

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Illuminatrix wrote:

"translated to ABEC's that's over 52,000 ABEC's at 114xp per...."

Will you people STOP GRINDING and actually PLAY the game???

Read me out on this one.

Last night, as an example, I went to Dathomir because Iwanted to harvest some meat... In the process, Ikilled some nightsisters, singing mountain clan and a ton of Rancors, all in all just having a good time killing everything. After I attained 30,000 Scouting xp and a ton of meat, I noticed thatI had made over 700,000 pistol xp. I wasn't grinding, not at all. I was having fun and definitely enjoying the game.

Now in regards to your comment about grinding ABEC's, yea, I GUESS you could grind.. OR.. just become a doctor and you'll get 1000 doctor xp PER BUFF you apply. You'll cap out your doc xp once every few hours and you'll be unlocking your trees left and right.

IT'S REALLY NOT THAT COMPLICATED. Play the game, choose a profession, have some fun. You'll cap your xp significantly faster and you won't feel like you're wasting your time playing a game that has, "such a horrible grind."

I'm just sick of reading posts from people about how boring this game is. You think your grind is going to change once you get Jedi? No. In fact, it only gets worse. If ALL you do is grind grind grind then yes, this game IS horribly boring.

Edit: For clarification, I was merely implying that there are easier ways tounlock the various trees than sitting around in your basement grinding. You're wasting your time.

Look at the breakdown. (This may be out of date?)

Weapons xps -- 30->1
Combat xps -- 3->1
Squad Leader xps -- ?->1
Crafting XPs
Medicine Crafting -- 5->1
General Crafting -- 8->1
Spice Crafting -- 5->1
Sense XPs
Image Design xps -- 15->1
Dancing xps -- 10->1
Musician xps -- 10->1
Entertainer Healing xps -- 10->1
Scout xps -- 8->1
Trapping xps -- 15->1
Survival xps -- 5->1
Medical xps -- 10->1
Surveying xps -- ?->1

Yea, sure you can get a 5-1 ratio on medicine crafting but it's a LOT easier to get doctor XP, 100x faster, easier and cheaper. Not to mention, you'd actually make money AND play the game simultaneously. So why choose to convert med crafting xp? Combat xp is 30-1 according to that chart so technically it doesn't seem like a good conversion.. though, when you consider I can get 900,000 heavy weapons xp in about an hour.. well, perhaps it's not so bad?

Message Edited by Illuminatrix on 09-03-2004 10:41 AM

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