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Thread: Holo-Grinders are Silly
EarthBounder64 wrote:
MRFUJI wrote:
Thankyou...your last sentence proves your ignorance.The last sentence in my reply to your post, of the last sentence of my post overall?
Either way, in what way does it "prove my ignorance"?
The actual line from SOE stated that unlocking via profession grinding could continue *until* publish 10, but that creation of a FS character would wait until after publish 10.
???
EarthBounder64 wrote:
Why do the holo-grinders seem to think they should get credit for each and every single profession they mastered, even if they don't unlock before the 31st?
If anything, the ONLY credit anyone should get is for mastering the random professions that were picked out for them at creation to originally unlock their FSCS.
Those who went and macro-ground out 30 professions shouldn't get any more credit than those who ended up mastering all but the final FSCS profession that was assigned to them.
Nobody told you to waste your time grinding out profession after profession.
If you enjoyed yourself doing the grind, great.
If you didn't enjoy yourself, it's your own smegging fault.
It's amusing how these grinders are saying they're gonna "get screwed by SOE" because they won't(hopefully) get credit for the fact that they sat down and ground out 20-30 professions, but still failed to hit their last profession that would've unlocked their FSCS.
They way you guys are sounding is like they should just give you a second character slot and allow you to all become Jedi Knights just because you wasted your own time.
Give me a break.
Cypher073 wrote:
The actual line from SOE stated that unlocking via profession grinding could continue *until* publish 10, but that creation of a FS character would wait until after publish 10.
EarthBounder64 wrote:
Cypher073 wrote:
The actual line from SOE stated that unlocking via profession grinding could continue *until* publish 10, but that creation of a FS character would wait until after publish 10.Ok. So I mis-read that. Big deal. That's not really part of my main argument here anyways, so it doesn't prove my "ignorance" on the subjecy on what credit holo-grinders get.
Slow down there a second, I never said you were ignorant. I was simply trying to spell out exactly what SOE said about the grind.
I don't necessarily agree with everything you said, of course. People deserve more credit than just for the holo professions. I do think that a lot of the non-unlockers are asking for too much, however. But, really, it doesn't matter what you nor I think -- SOE has already made a decision on what to do and are well on their way towards deploying a solution. What purpose does beating this particular horse serve?
Message Edited by Cypher073 on 08-28-2004 10:51 PM
Edit: I'll change my tone a bit and remove the insulting components of my reply.
Message Edited by Illuminatrix on 08-28-2004 10:34 PM
Yes, SOE DID tell us to master all the professions. They sent us down the path by creating the holos to begin with and then they announced that it was a "random profession" after the 4th holo.
So. Some people REALLY want Jedi.... and... they... chose one random profession after another. In time it became a science and the grind was perfected. Not everyone used 3rd party applications to macro their way through and if YOU aren't using the IN GAME macro system, you're simply not playing the game efficiently enough. I use over 30 macros over the period of my standard week. It simplifies my life tremendously.
Never ever doubt that which you know nothing about.
First off, I ground all 32 professions. I started a few months before xmas and unlocked my jedi almost a month before patch 9. I also didnt macro my way through it, and second anyone that did you cant just macro through combat professions. While you may be able to macro through crafting professions you still need to have the credits to do so and it is damn expensive. Getting credits takes lots of time and good descisions. Average hologrind to get through all 32 is anywhere between 20-40 mill depending on how lucky you are to find cheap stuff and what server you are on. Mastering all 32 professions is no walk in the park and the only people that seem to think it is are the ones that only mastered a few. Then along the grind when you get to around 20-25 professions the despair starts to set in you want to give up so many times, only the most dedicated and most encouraged by their friends will keep on it and finish. Was the grind fun? yes and no. Most of the professions especially the combat ones I enjoyed thouroughly. I gained so much knowledge from them that is especcially usefull in pvp, I know what im dealing with when I fight someone with a certain weapon in their hand and that isextremely usefull as a Jedi and pvp'ing with my main. I played some that I never would have done otherwise and really ended up liking them, withought the hologrind I would have missed out on that. So was it worth it? Definately. As painfull as it was at times it was all worth it in the end.
One thing most of you forget, this isnt the type of game that you just log in and have fun all the time. You must work for things that will bring you greater enjoyment. This is very true for Jedi, you have to put in a massive amount of time just to attain it, and then an even bigger amount of time to finish it (which im still working on). In the end you get a very cool, and very good and very diversetemplate for pve and pvp.The same goes for anything in this game, a crafter cant justlog in and make awesome goods, it takes lots of time experience and getting the right loot to give you an edge. The best crafters are the most dedicated ones that invested the time and skill into their trade.This wasnt all fun and games all the time for them.Their payoff is they get rich and enjoy the notariety of being among the best crafters on the server. Same goes for PvP, you cant just master a combat profession and be an uber pvp'er. It takes lots of time and especcially experience pvp'ing to be real good. It takes the right weapons, armor, food, etc...which can take a long time to get and not all of that is fun and games either. Basically you get what you put into it. If you just screw off and have fun all the time you will never be much more than average. If you invest in what your doing and spend the time to do it right and get the right stuff and experience you will be uber. If you just want to be average then just be average and quite acting like you deserve everything that someone else spent alot of time and alot of sweat to get.
EarthBounder64 wrote:
Funny how you grinders seem to think I'm jealous in some way of you wasting time instead of playing the game and having fun.
Obviously, this post is projected more towards those who did the holo-grind simply to become Jedi and did NOT enjoy their time doing it.
MRFUJI:
I'm not saying that because I only mastered 1 holo profession that I should be just as close as you who did 31. What I'm saying is, it's stupid to think that you should get credit for any professions mastered besides the holo ones. By your logic, ANYONE who has mastered a profession, holocron or no, should get credit towards their force sensitive abilities.
Their is one small problem with your logic It has NEVER been proven how many holo professions that you had to do, most think it is 4 holo's + 1 silent. BUT this has never been proven and it was even stated by the devs once that the system was dynamic and desighned to keep the #'s down, IE: the more jedi on the server the system would compensate by making it harder to get. The only way it could do that is by multiplying the amount of silents. even just taking it from +1 to +2 makes your odds of unlocking substantially lower. and keep adding more as their are more jedi and you get the picture. So if that is the case by now it may be as high as +15 so in that case if you were at around 30 professions you would likely have done almost all of them so you should get much more credit than the guy that did 5. Anyone that thinks otherwise just wants to get jedi withought putting in the work that everyone else did. Oh wait... "the early unlockers got it in under 10 some as low as 5 they didnt work hard"... while it may not have been as hard, they were either VERY lucky, or were very smart and got invery early while the rest of us were still screwing off thinking it was some other system. They deserve it for being pioneers and having good luck and insight.My opinion is as always if you didnt have the foresight and desire that was strong enough to endure the process than you dont seserve a jedi, plain and simple. If it was easy then EVERYONE would have one, not just a few hundred per server and the game would be completely retarted.
I do not regret not holo-grinding. I play the game doing what professions I like. I started on my first holocron, and after grinding through Medic, I realized that it was a stupid waste of my time and money to pursue something I might not get anyways.
Thats perfectly fine, but dont complain about what others have that spent the time and had the dedication to attain that which they greatly desired.
I decided to wait and see what the new system they announced would be and played the game to have fun in the meantime.
I'm glad you enjoyed yourself for the grind, however, that doesn't mean you should get any extra credit besides the original professions you were required to master to unlock your FSCS under the old system.
And how many professions is that? do you know? and have the proof and facts to back it up?
Illuminatrix:
Please, do tell. What "ignorance" do you speak of?
I admit, saying the "macro-grind" comment was a bit harsh, but you cannot deny that a majority of the holo-grinders used looping macros to do the work for them whenever possible.
My main point I'm trying to make with this topic is that the holo-grinders should ONLY get credit as much as anyone who mastered all but the last FSCS professionthey were required to do to unlock their slot anyways.
And BTW, They did say that there would be no more unlocks until after Publish 10. They announced that some time ago, too.
Message Edited by EarthBounder64 on 08-28-2004 10:41 PM
Give me a break - this whine has already been corked - move on
EarthBounder64 wrote:
Why do the holo-grinders seem to think they should get credit for each and every single profession they mastered, even if they don't unlock before the 31st?
If anything, the ONLY credit anyone should get is for mastering the random professions that were picked out for them at creation to originally unlock their FSCS.
Those who went and macro-ground out 30 professions shouldn't get any more credit than those who ended up mastering all but the final FSCS profession that was assigned to them.
Nobody told you to waste your time grinding out profession after profession.
If you enjoyed yourself doing the grind, great.
If you didn't enjoy yourself, it's your own smegging fault.
It's amusing how these grinders are saying they're gonna "get screwed by SOE" because they won't(hopefully) get credit for the fact that they sat down and ground out 20-30 professions, but still failed to hit their last profession that would've unlocked their FSCS.
They way you guys are sounding is like they should just give you a second character slot and allow you to all become Jedi Knights just because you wasted your own time.
Give me a break.
WHY Jedi??? Are you SERIOUS?? Do you actually think people want to be a Jedi JUST so they can "own people" and/or "destroy some persons gaming time" ???
What the hell is WRONG with you people?! Seriously...