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GrimBear

Wed Aug 11, 2004 6:33 am

People are unhappy come here to complain

People who are happy with the game ... play the game.

90% of the player basedon't come to the forum ... do the math.

Sure ... there are a number of things that are not right or are broken and need fixing ... and they are getting looked at and they are getting fixed ... all in due time ... and these things do take time.

Way I see it...

You can support the devs and encourage them so that they feel better which ultimate helps their quality andquantity of work...

or

You shout and curse at them, demoralise them into not giving a crap so their quality and quantity of work decreases...

you want to game to get better? encourage the Devs and support them.

GrimBear

Derlok

Wed Aug 11, 2004 6:48 am

#15

hey, i agree with you, these past few changes have been great, but they are focusing on other things that not everyone cares about... the main thing i'm waiting for is Combat revamp and GCW revamp. i can tell you, i dont PvP much in GCW, because there is no point. even if all they did was make those 6 bases that can be captured by each side work, then i would have a reason to play.

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Combat Revamp, 8 months and counting...
Merchant Nerf... My vote for worst nerf ever...

lets see what other bad ideas i can post here...

Are my ideas that bad, that they never get commented on?

EarthBounder64

Wed Aug 11, 2004 7:00 am

#16

justin1911 wrote:

If they were doing things right, then there wouldn't be near this much complaining, and I'm not talking about what X profession can do.

Message Edited by justin1911 on 08-10-2004 12:49 PM

Actually, I would bet a lot of money on the fact that there would still be this much complaining.

You can't please everyone.

You people whine and complain because you want things done yesterday, but then, when the Devs go ahead and push something out that you've been clamouring for, and because they pushed it out earlyso you'd stop whining to have it, it's busted.

Then, you all complain and say the Devs are stupid because they put out broken content.

Even if the material they push out onto live is fine, you people still complain.

Remember the Nova Troopers for the GCW?

They finally put something in the Imperial Crackdown that made it feel like a crackdown, and everyone immediately starts whining about it.

And we cannot forget the Jedi.

Before the first FSCS was unlocked, there was so much whining for the Devs to reveal the path to unlock it.

I remember a time when the boards were flooded with all the theories as to how one would go about unlocking their FSCS.

Now that there are many people who unlocked their Jedi, you people whine because there are too many Jedi running around.

You also decide to whine that Jedi are too powerful, even though they're supposed to be.

Basically, this thread was originally started to thank the Devs for the good things they've brought us, and you people immediately come in and whine saying the Devs owe you the world for the broken content in the game.

Well guess what.

The Devs owe you nothing more than what they give you.

It's their game, not yours. You say the Devs are idiots? Let's see you do better then them! Let's all see you make a MMORPG that's better than SWG, and then you'll be justified in your complaining.

Until then, be thankful for what good content there is out there, and stay out of topics that don't concern you.

EDIT: Oh yea. and you people complaining that these recent GOOD additions are "focusing on things no one cares about" or whatever, do you really think that there is only one group of Devs working on anything at one time?

They've probably got things split up into groups of the Devs and the groups work on fixing the problems assigned to them/adding new content. Whomever completes their task first get their content added first.

You gotta remember, too, that to fix the broken content, they have to take into consideration how the servers will react to their changes as well as the thousands of different gamer's computers will react.

Something as big as the Combat Revamp, which will change many things in the coding of the game, need careful testing and retesting before it even reaches the Test Servers. If they hit one line of coding wrong, it could potentially cause a system crash or worse, so they want to get it as right as possible BEFORE they push it out for players to test out.

Message Edited by EarthBounder64 on 08-11-2004 09:07 AM

Netcore

Wed Aug 11, 2004 8:03 am

#17

Well i think it´s a good idea to give the devs some love. I´m a multimedia developer myself which is a few stairways away from game programming but believe me when i say that already multimedia developing often drops you big rocks in they way which are hard to overcome.

So game programming, especially the development of a MMORPG is far beyond imagination even for people who are really skilled in programming. Of course there are many bugs in SWG which should be fixed but fixing a bug is not just deleting a certain code script. A program as a whole is a complex structure where editing a certain part or even a single small script can affect a lot of other parts of the code. It´s not the fixing of the bugs, it´s the point that a small code edit needs a big edit in the whole program syntax.

Like let´s say you change the variable A to B so you have to reassign every syntax which is somehow connected to this variable. Often bugs occur after a certain amount of time or under very special circumstances which never occur in a test run. Additional to this computers and especially highly complicated and structured programs LOVE to develope some kind of it´s own character so the bug itself isn´t really the problem. The problem is finding the bug which can be really hard and removing the bug in a "surgical" way so the whole structure won´t get affected.

Imagine you have about 1 million lines of code (which isn´t much especially for a huge prog, ID Software had to code about 500.000(!!!) code lines JUST to make all these nice monitors working you see in DOOM3 ). Now find the damn bug in this mess, UNDERSTAND how the bug occurs and how it´s connected to other parts of the code, how and why the bug affects the whole structure and which "after effects" it brings with it...after all of that, find a solution and remove the bug WITHOUT messing up the rest of the code.

Besides this hundreds of other problems occur...a bug is not always in the code, a guy from the texturing or modelling divison could mess something up without knowing it(integrating this whole stuff in the code puuh!). Problems with sound and visual issues. Not to forget hardware issues! And the hardest part of all: Making the game that way that it looks great(for as much people and on as much computers as possible) and making everyone happy playing the game. Which is NOT possible! Like in real life, you can never make everybody happy.

So staying with the devs is the best you can do...give these devs the time they need, because time is something you can´t have enough of in software development, believe me!

Enough now with the nerd talking, i have the opinion too that some stuff needs to be fixed but everybody needs to understand that it´s everything else then easy!

Message Edited by Netcore on 08-11-2004 05:13 PM

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TashunkaSapa

Wed Aug 11, 2004 9:25 am

#18

GrimBear wrote:

People who are happy with the game ... play the game.

90% of the player basedon't come to the forum ... do the math.

I play the game quite enough, myself - as much, if not more, than people who think we should praise the Devs no matter how ofter they screw us.

As for your "math", all that tells me is that all but 10% of the player base is too apathetic to come here and voice their opinion when something needs fixing.

Way to parrot Hayden Blackman, by the way. As long as there are players like you, the Devs will be confident that they can continue doing things however they wish, knowing that there are players who will take the abuse and beg for more. You're doing yourself, the player base, and the Developers a real disservice whether you mean to or not.

This is the same attitude you see from people in any abusive relationship - they continue to take the abuse because they feel they know how the other party "could be" and they think that the warm-and-fuzzy approach will bring change. It doesn't. Such people need tough love.

Sure ... there are a number of things that are not right or are broken and need fixing ... and they are getting looked at and they are getting fixed ... all in due time ... and these things do take time.

A year is time enough. If these things take that much time, I damn well expect that they are going to fix them first, before moving on to adding new things. You don't leave a job undone and move onto another just because the first one is difficult.

You shout and curse at them, demoralise them into not giving a crap so their quality and quantity of work decreases...

you want to game to get better? encourage the Devs and support them.

The way I see it... I encouraged them and stood by them for many months and they still showed the worst case of priority mismanagement, broken promises, stalling tactics and outright lies. All that you get for praising people who fail is reinforcing to them that their current effort is good enough.

These people want money from us every month, we can decide for ourselves whether their effort is praiseworthy or not. I don't need to be told "if you don't like it, then quit" - if anyone needs to quit it's the people who don't care about the state the game is in... players and Developers alike.

I care about the game - I daresay, more than the people to whom this is all just dollars on the bottom line. Now... which of those camps are you going to stand in?

Shaan'ti Hokai (Kauri)

Imperial Pilot Ace/Master Smuggler/Master Bounty Hunter

Master Explorer. Force-Sensitive. HERO OF TATOOINE.

Notch13

Wed Aug 11, 2004 10:38 am

#19

GrimBear wrote:

People are unhappy come here to complain

People who are happy with the game ... play the game.

90% of the player basedon't come to the forum ... do the math.

Sure ... there are a number of things that are not right or are broken and need fixing ... and they are getting looked at and they are getting fixed ... all in due time ... and these things do take time.

Way I see it...

You can support the devs and encourage them so that they feel better which ultimate helps their quality andquantity of work...

or

You shout and curse at them, demoralise them into not giving a crap so their quality and quantity of work decreases...

you want to game to get better? encourage the Devs and support them.

This is the funniest thing I've read in a while thanks for giving me a good laugh. I'm sorry I'm still snickering... Let me get into the proper spirit! Thanks devs for fixing bugs you introduced 8 months ago. Thanks for finally decreasing the shuttl wait after all your supporters told us it would lag the servers and how little we knew about how the servers work. Keep plugging away at all these problems that have existed for over a year. Don't worry about the other major hassles or putting all the important fixes off until this mythic combat revamp comes. Congrats on pushing out an expansion to a clearly broken game. YAAAY $30 more maybe that will help you do something as you must be strapped for funds with the paltry $250+ I and lots of the vets have spent so far.

Don't let those people who actually have an opinion and speak out get to you. They are like non jedi lazy and jealous of your hard earned position. Everyone loves jedi and we need more around, please keep them in the GCW and make them hunt overts, serves those lazy mundanes right. Those limits on merchants sound great don't listen to those whiney people who don't want to stock their vendors each day. Please push out more poorly though out changes, and if maybe it wouldn't be asking too much or hurt your self esteem please fix a few of those other bugs that have been around since launch or introduced in one of the many bug free and smooth patches.

Its fine that we have to wait for the major changes until you can soak us for another few months subscription and $30for an expansion. We just wanna fly in space and we don't mind waiting even longer for the revamps when you have to fix JTL bugs. Anyways in summary keep slowly fixing these old bugs, string us along with combat and GCW revamp hints and don't listen to those whiney people who pay your salary and can't simply suck it up and be good drones.

Orew

Wed Aug 11, 2004 10:46 am

#20

/hug

Mr. Smedley's immortal words:
There are long threads that I've started myself on our forums, but we have community representatives that are answering questions diligently on our forums already, and I'm very involved in what's being said.

Mr. Smedley's user statistics when the above statement was made:
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Steppencat

Wed Aug 11, 2004 10:53 am

#21

TuskKiller wrote:

99.9% of the time people are bitching and moaning.

I'd like to take the time to thank the devs for some recent improvements I'm happy about:

NPC specials back

Shuttle Wait Reduction

Fixing mission bug where I wouldn't get paid

Fixing the bug where if I switched to a character on another server, I lost all my notes/etc on my friends list

and there are some others which excape me....

/thank

Too little too late. If they had implemented this stuff in 2003 I'd be singing a different tune, but now...sorry.

At this point SWG would have to cook me dinner, go to work for me, and give me the best BJ I've ever had to make me even consider coming back. And no friggin way am I going to buy the mess that JTL will be.

I'll re-evaluate when the ephemeral Combat Revamp is done. Sometime in 2007 or so.

ComCypher

Wed Aug 11, 2004 11:30 am

#22

Steppencat wrote:

TuskKiller wrote:

99.9% of the time people are bitching and moaning.

I'd like to take the time to thank the devs for some recent improvements I'm happy about:

NPC specials back

Shuttle Wait Reduction

Fixing mission bug where I wouldn't get paid

Fixing the bug where if I switched to a character on another server, I lost all my notes/etc on my friends list

and there are some others which excape me....

/thank

Too little too late. If they had implemented this stuff in 2003 I'd be singing a different tune, but now...sorry.

At this point SWG would have to cook me dinner, go to work for me, and give me the best BJ I've ever had to make me even consider coming back. And no friggin way am I going to buy the mess that JTL will be.

I'll re-evaluate when the ephemeral Combat Revamp is done. Sometime in 2007 or so.

I hate it when people don't even pay forthe subscription to the game and think that their opinions matter on the forums.

Com Cypher



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TashunkaSapa

Wed Aug 11, 2004 12:41 pm

#23

TuskKiller wrote:

99.9% of the time people are bitching and moaning.

I'd like to take the time to thank the devs for some recent improvements I'm happy about:

Keep in mind that Eva Braun probably could name some nice things that her boyfriend did, too...

For every good thing that's been added, I can name several bugs or old things that still need fixing.

If the Devs want love, they'd better start giving it - so far it's more like the "I Can Change" song from South Park.

Shaan'ti Hokai (Kauri)

Imperial Pilot Ace/Master Smuggler/Master Bounty Hunter

Master Explorer. Force-Sensitive. HERO OF TATOOINE.

SmedleyLlama

Wed Aug 11, 2004 1:52 pm

#24

GrimBear wrote:

People are unhappy come here to complain

People who are happy with the game ... play the game.

90% of the player basedon't come to the forum ... do the math.

I take it you are unhappy with the game then?

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Aakhperkare

Wed Aug 11, 2004 1:55 pm

#25

We don't have to love or even like the devs. (I sure don't) Because we pay them to do this job...and they hardly do that as it is.

My favorite line I read from a dev was, "That's too much work..."

To which many replied, "We don't give a rats a$$ how much work it is, just DO IT."

Too funny...

Steppencat

Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:24 pm

#26

ringhrive wrote:

Steppencat wrote:

ComCypher wrote:

Steppencat wrote:

Too little too late. If they had implemented this stuff in 2003 I'd be singing a different tune, but now...sorry.

At this point SWG would have to cook me dinner, go to work for me, and give me the best BJ I've ever had to make me even consider coming back. And no friggin way am I going to buy the mess that JTL will be.

I'll re-evaluate when the ephemeral Combat Revamp is done. Sometime in 2007 or so.

I hate it when people don't even pay forthe subscription to the game and think that their opinions matter on the forums.

Com Cypher

There's so much stupidity and ignorance in that comment, not the least of which being that I'm still paying for SWG.

Let's just leave it at that though, eh, smart guy?

I dunno, doesn't seem like stupidity and ignorance to me. your comment seems pretty clear there that you weren't playing anymore and that you wouldn't be coming back, much less buying the expansion. So, out of curiousity, if you need all those things to get you to consider coming back, why are you still playing?

I thought nearly the exact same thing as Com Cypher... why is this person even still posting on the forum if they hate the game so much they'll never play again? Granted, maybe the response wasn't exactly politic or tactful, but I don't think his interpretation of your comment in that post was mistaken based on the context of your original comments. maybe you just weren't clear enough in the first place.

Why am I posting you ask? Because I have posted many constructive suggestions and comments, I've thrown my two cents in countless times on how I would like to see the game improved. I've listened to their "It will be fixed in the combat balance" mantra over and over again. And in the end, like everyone else, my opinion constructive or not didn't matter...the devs will make the same stupid decisions they have from the start. They've lied to us, basically insulted us, made completely asinine unprofessional decisions, been more secretive than the Bush administration, followed through on very few of their promises (and I wouldn't mind that if information was more forthcoming), and what do I see? A "Let's pat the devs on the back" thread.

I'm all for giving credit where credit is due, but these guys do NOT deserve it. Not in the slightest. You have to earn respect by being...you know...good at something. Perhaps the devs are decent DB admins and coders, but as game designers they makedecen DB admins and coders.

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