Force Sensitive Archive
Thread: It really sucks to be a casual gamer....
SniperRedFox
Wed Dec 29, 2004 2:10 pm
#79
BTW, I also have Composite Armor for the head, legs, and body... I have about 25 uses on my 2 Vasarian Brandies... I can get buffs too... At about 2k for each HAM at a low price...
JediMasterZero
Wed Dec 29, 2004 2:25 pm
#80
ChoNaguriai wrote:
JediMasterZero wrote:
And I think that if Jedi were knocked down a few notches on the uber-scale and recreated as a normal profession, we wouldn't have ANY disgruntled players (other than the folks who are currently Jedi, so clearly that ain't gonna happen. hehe).
Ah, so here we have the rub of it. Normalize Jedi? Why? So people can have instant gratification? Let me tell you something, the biggest threat to this game is the contingent of whiners asking for it to be continually made easier. Easy = boring. Take away the challege of Jedi and this game will fold.
Jedi isn't something bestowed upon a select few. Its open and available to EVERYONE. If you don't have the patience to get it, you only have yourself to blame. The reward needs to be in line with the challenge, to that effect Jedi need to be more powerful than normal professions.
You miss my point entirely, friend. I believe that if Jedi were normalized to begin with, we wouldn't have the problems we see today. Forget what you know of Jediin SWG as you know it. If it were a selectable profession upon character creation, this game would be 'normal'. If you read some of my otherposts within this thread, you'd see some of my ideas about how to make that possible.(Jedi would still be a very strong combat profession, butthey would have otherlimitations that severely hinder their progess, i.e. anorganic system of profression).I think that making Jedi the end-game reward was a bad decision of the devs.
Make no mistake, I have the patience and the resolve to stick through it. What I do and say here is for the benefit of future players. If we don't strive to make this game better and provide good feedback to the devs, how do you expect it will grow and continue to exist?
Oh, I didn't one-star ya. I thought about it, but you're entitled to your opinion just as I am. 
Message Edited by JediMasterZero on 12-29-2004 01:26 PM
Kovev
Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:57 pm
#81
Sure Zero, why don't we forget xp, you just choose what blocks to fill when you start. Oh yea, you can key in how many creds you get as well, and choose whatever gear you want. What exactly would be the goals left for players? Many, many, players are goal driven.......heck, I bet they ar ethe vast majority.
I forgot this:
JediMasterZero wrote:
And I think that if Jedi were knocked down a few notches on the uber-scale and recreated as a normal profession, we wouldn't have ANY disgruntled players (other than the folks who are currently Jedi, so clearly that ain't gonna happen. hehe).
Ok, you work your butt off to unlock a profession that is just like any other? Now why would anyone do that? Opps, I forgot, your going to hand it out, so everyone will be a Jedi, and we can just rename this KOTR3. AS far as Jedi being uber, where did you get that idea? We are taken apart by stackers every day! No, Jedi are not over powered, and no Jedi do not need normalized.
Ya know, I'm not one to flame, but I have to ask, what on earth did you base this on? Are we even playing the same game? Frankly, I think you need to learn a bit more about Jedi progression, the unlock process, and SWG, and then make an informed post, this sure as heck is not one. What you suggest would kill SWG, flat out. Jedi needs to be desiriable, hard to obtain, and worth the effort. If you were to ask new players why they start playing this game, what do you think they will say? If you ask people what their goal is in SWG, what do you think they will say....Jedi. Hand people Jedi, or make it less then desired, and they will quit buying the game, and more importantly, cancel------------------- People like you need to put on the breaks, slow down, and enjoy Journey, it should be at least as good as the destination.
I forgot this:
JediMasterZero wrote:
And I think that if Jedi were knocked down a few notches on the uber-scale and recreated as a normal profession, we wouldn't have ANY disgruntled players (other than the folks who are currently Jedi, so clearly that ain't gonna happen. hehe).
Ok, you work your butt off to unlock a profession that is just like any other? Now why would anyone do that? Opps, I forgot, your going to hand it out, so everyone will be a Jedi, and we can just rename this KOTR3. AS far as Jedi being uber, where did you get that idea? We are taken apart by stackers every day! No, Jedi are not over powered, and no Jedi do not need normalized.
Ya know, I'm not one to flame, but I have to ask, what on earth did you base this on? Are we even playing the same game? Frankly, I think you need to learn a bit more about Jedi progression, the unlock process, and SWG, and then make an informed post, this sure as heck is not one. What you suggest would kill SWG, flat out. Jedi needs to be desiriable, hard to obtain, and worth the effort. If you were to ask new players why they start playing this game, what do you think they will say? If you ask people what their goal is in SWG, what do you think they will say....Jedi. Hand people Jedi, or make it less then desired, and they will quit buying the game, and more importantly, cancel------------------- People like you need to put on the breaks, slow down, and enjoy Journey, it should be at least as good as the destination.
Jessian
Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:17 pm
#82
why is there always little forumities that want to diss other players views or ideas for the improvement of SWG?
Kovev, you are taking this too far with your posts, if we the PAYING public take this crap from the devs then this game is DEAD.
pure and simple. all the devs need to do to keep money coming in, is give the public Jedi. thats it. no other benefit would keep players here. so heres a random poll.
YOU answer it truthfully too Kovev.
Q) the devs decide to reintroduce Permadeath for ALL jedi. They also improve the bounty hunter skills to be able to take on and defeat a jedi knight. Would you Still play?
A) Yes, gives me a challenge. (ie, one chance at jedi, if your killed. Jedi you will not be)
Ai) No, i will leave the game right now
which would you chose?
Kovev, you are taking this too far with your posts, if we the PAYING public take this crap from the devs then this game is DEAD.
pure and simple. all the devs need to do to keep money coming in, is give the public Jedi. thats it. no other benefit would keep players here. so heres a random poll.
YOU answer it truthfully too Kovev.
Q) the devs decide to reintroduce Permadeath for ALL jedi. They also improve the bounty hunter skills to be able to take on and defeat a jedi knight. Would you Still play?
A) Yes, gives me a challenge. (ie, one chance at jedi, if your killed. Jedi you will not be)
Ai) No, i will leave the game right now
which would you chose?
SniperRedFox
Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:19 pm
#83
I'd like to know what ever happened to the ability to select Easy, Medium and Hard modes for video games in recent years... It seems video games have gone to be more oriented for people who like working hard and who like a challenge than for people who want things to be easy.
I'm not some1 who likes a challenge, of course that is obvious. I have fun just by playing a game, not by having to work hard to accomplish things in a game.
Also, stop complaining about the developers of SWG, for one, you have it a lot better off than other games out there. Another, if you don't like it, leave.
If you don't like the devs of SWG, go check out WWIIOL and you will begin to see the devs here as being wonderful compared to the devs @ WWIIOL...
HitorikiBattousai
Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:41 pm
#84
Kovev wrote:
Sure Zero, why don't we forget xp, you just choose what blocks to fill when you start. Oh yea, you can key in how many creds you get as well, and choose whatever gear you want. What exactly would be the goals left for players? Many, many, players are goal driven.......heck, I bet they ar ethe vast majority.
I forgot this:
JediMasterZero wrote:
And I think that if Jedi were knocked down a few notches on the uber-scale and recreated as a normal profession, we wouldn't have ANY disgruntled players (other than the folks who are currently Jedi, so clearly that ain't gonna happen. hehe).
Ok, you work your butt off to unlock a profession that is just like any other? Now why would anyone do that? Opps, I forgot, your going to hand it out, so everyone will be a Jedi, and we can just rename this KOTR3. AS far as Jedi being uber, where did you get that idea? We are taken apart by stackers every day! No, Jedi are not over powered, and no Jedi do not need normalized.
Ya know, I'm not one to flame, but I have to ask, what on earth did you base this on? Are we even playing the same game? Frankly, I think you need to learn a bit more about Jedi progression, the unlock process, and SWG, and then make an informed post, this sure as heck is not one. What you suggest would kill SWG, flat out. Jedi needs to be desiriable, hard to obtain, and worth the effort. If you were to ask new players why they start playing this game, what do you think they will say? If you ask people what their goal is in SWG, what do you think they will say....Jedi. Hand people Jedi, or make it less then desired, and they will quit buying the game, and more importantly, cancel------------------- People like you need to put on the breaks, slow down, and enjoy Journey, it should be at least as good as the destination.
Lay off you take his point the wrong way and shi* on it, grow up.
First, Jedi won't be changed, no buts around it, the Devs won't change it, maybe Tiggs could help but one Dev alone can't change the game without gettint help from the others.
Second, Think about how much money it takes for a casual gamer to get Jedi over the course of however many months. Factor in the fact that people have lives and don't play everyday and have girlfriends/boyfriends, friends, school and other social events they can do.
Third, Back to the big Dev screw up, "quest-based" no wrong, completly wrong. grind based.
Once again, back to my original point, your loosing players, SWG, and if you all don't get the CB right, your game WILL die the majority of players PVP and PVE and if you mess this up, it takes the "ground" so to speak out of the game and your left with nothing. if you dont have a ground, you dont have anything to build on, like a Pyramid.
HitorikiBattousai
Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:49 pm
#85
Now, i'll go through a different pyramid *applause*
Lets name this the.....well lets not
Players
CSRS
TSRS
Devs
Right now, we basically have this.
Players
Devs
(sorry but, CSRS are worthless the way they are now...dosen't that sound familiar...)
As you can see you have something that is up there for the moment...but will fall...fast
The devs, are screwing up...bottom line, lied time and time again, recall the outbreak and shortage of players before JTL with the suprise change of plans. The Devs have something they can make great and people will learn to trust them and like them again (with the exception of a few devs) if they screw up, they get worse.
ie:
Devs
All thats left.
If the Devs keep lying and screwing up major details as well as minor ones, players will leave.
Drygo
Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:52 pm
#86
DRWolfe wrote:
I believe that the Devs intended people to get Jedi just by "playing the game", converting XP they gained along the way, but they were quite naive. With the goal being Jedi and, the XP requirements being so high, and gamers being the way they are, it was inevitable that this became a grind.
Actually, I think the devs knew that people would react *exactly* the way they have and that's why the xp requirements are so high. I believe the Devs would absolutely *love* for people to get Jedi just by playing the game and would have loved to create a system that allowed this. But, they knew they wouldn't be able to because people still want to get it as quickly as possible and will want to grind. No matter what the devs did, the majority of Jedi chases would seek out the shortest route possible, whether it meant posting guides and following them to the letter, changing their template so they could do it afk (entertaining), or the fastest (commando). They may not have known that these would be the exact Jedi chaser templates. However, I am sure they were fully aware that people would try to find some way to do it as quickly as possible. And, I believe that's exactly why they chose a gating and a grind system that would take a long time. If MMORPG players had shown by example in this game and others that they were willing to just enjoy the game and play it for rewards, I have no doubt that the system would be a lot easier. I'm sure the devs would have liked it to be that way.
SniperRedFox
Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:56 pm
#87
For one, quit being so negative, I don't want to see this thread locked. Another, this game won't die, like i've said, i've played WWIIOL, that is a game that has been on the downfall for years, having only 1,000 players or so, and the updates/fixes come every 4-5 weeks...
This game has a much larger player base than WWIIOL especially, it is owned and created/fixed by a much much larger company also... Not to mention being a much more popular subject than a simulation of WWII before the USA...
Again, don't be so negative for pessimistic. There is nothing worse in this world than negativity and pessimism... We are all gamers who love Star Wars, and who like this game. Lets debate/discuss this subject like respectful people and not bash and flame each other endlessly...
HitorikiBattousai
Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:00 pm
#88
SniperRedFox wrote:
For one, quit being so negative, I don't want to see this thread locked. Another, this game won't die, like i've said, i've played WWIIOL, that is a game that has been on the downfall for years, having only 1,000 players or so, and the updates/fixes come every 4-5 weeks...
This game has a much larger player base than WWIIOL especially, it is owned and created/fixed by a much much larger company also... Not to mention being a much more popular subject than a simulation of WWII before the USA...
Again, don't be so negative for pessimistic. There is nothing worse in this world than negativity and pessimism... We are all gamers who love Star Wars, and who like this game. Lets debate/discuss this subject like respectful people and not bash and flame each other endlessly...
Sorry if I upset you, i'm speaking my mind a bit, didn't mean to flame anyone but that Koev (sp?) guy/girl for what he said to Zero, zero had an opinion and koev was outta line flaming it.
branny
Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:12 pm
#89
i've been playing since launch.......i didn't participate in the holo grind.......didn't get any free unlocks in the new method........went glowy.........unlocked 6 branches as of last week......... have filled 9 boxes (2 branches).........achieved colonel in the rebel army........Tier 4433 alliance pilot, 1.5mio more exp to go to reach ACE.......have over 30 explorartion badges.......participated in many live events........am guilded....... and I still love the game..... if i get jedi so be it, but if i'm at the guild hall hanging out with my mates, or at our 8 bases on watch patrol.......or grinding out faction points.....or combat xp.....or space xp.....its all cool....there is more than enough for me to do in my game time everyday than to sit there and complain........
SniperRedFox
Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:30 pm
#90
It wasn't only you, it was directed to the others too...
I have played this game since October...
I am a Novice Rifleman at 0100
I am a Novice Architect at 0100
I am a Novice Merchant at 0003
I am a Alliance Recruit at 1111
I am a Medic at 2202
I am a Scout at 3040
I am a Brawler at 2000
I have only 130k credits
The most amount I've ever had is 150k credits
I am in a guild
I have 51 badges, 30-35 of those are exploration
I play 5-12 hours a day, 7 days a week
However I haven't mastered any profession, I still have 1 badge till I'm glowy...
I would just like to know why this game has to be so time consuming and hard, why can't they change it so it's friendly to those looking for a challenge and those who want to play the easy way?
branny
Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:24 pm
#91
SniperRedFox wrote:
It wasn't only you, it was directed to the others too...
I have played this game since October...
I am a Novice Rifleman at 0100
I am a Novice Architect at 0100
I am a Novice Merchant at 0003
I am a Alliance Recruit at 1111
I am a Medic at 2202
I am a Scout at 3040
I am a Brawler at 2000
I have only 130k credits
The most amount I've ever had is 150k credits
I am in a guild
I have 51 badges, 30-35 of those are exploration
I play 5-12 hours a day, 7 days a week
However I haven't mastered any profession, I still have 1 badge till I'm glowy...
I would just like to know why this game has to be so time consuming and hard, why can't they change it so it's friendly to those looking for a challenge and those who want to play the easy way?
dood..u must be doing something wrong ...if you are playing 5-12 hours a day.....and still haven't gotten jedi..............i think my first advice is to use the guides and get some focus..on your daily activities........i play no where near the time you play...and i am almost half way there....