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Thread: TC Conversion Rate Change
Chris92056 wrote:
I could understand why the casual gamer would be upset about a possible xp change (I am one). But do you really think nothing should be done about the JEDI population? Or is it that you have a problem that their idea of population control will include you?
I’m speaking to those of us "casual gamers" playing for a long time. IT’S BEEN LONG ENOUGH! . If you were going to get it, then you should have gotten JEDI by now.
When a new gamer is making laps around you its time to put up the shoes. JEDI should be for those who are willing to "in some way" make this game a priority to them. Some sort of sacrifice. I know it's just a game. It's a game with multiple class options..Not just Jedi. People have jobs or kids that prevent them from playing 12 hours a day. Even during double xp week, you would have had to play for 4-5 days straight doing nothing but grinding. Even after you hit padawan it is still more grinding. Some people are forced by NECESSITY of life to be casual gamers. I have to work, I have to study, I have to eat, I have to pay for housing. Unfortunately, I can not devote all my free time to this game. I am actively working towards jedi.
The vast majority thinks something must be done about JEDI overcrowding. SOE is on the same page (or they should be). You’ve had plenty of time to get it by now. They even gave you multiple x2 weeks of double XP’s and the ability to change your template to use the system to your advantage. They are clearly not on the same page as the rest of the community as I am sure more bugs would be fixed in this game by now. There would be an entirely different system for jedi in place and we would have working battlefields.
People who think the rules should never change are (in my opinion) dead wrong. If this game is going tosurvive it needs to adjust to whatever changes are necessary. And the idea that SOE is in it for the money....Um No SH@T Sherlock..... It’s a business. The rules should never change but the game needs to adjust. Look up the word oxymoron. SOE may be playing the game to make money, but they are losing the game. The only reason I still play is that I would rather play an MMO with the Star Wars experience vs elves and orcs. IMHO you are way off on both those statements. Rules do need to change in a rapidly evolving environment and SOE is not conducting a business condusive to making money.
JEDI is a class that should be hard to get. It should be a class that makes people "not" want to do it. If you have not done it yet....maybe that should answer some questions. My reasons for not getting jedi sooner are simple. I did not want to hologrind. It was a stupid system that hurt the game and I chose not to participate. This new system is not much better in my opinion, but I don't see it changing and I would like to try jedi. So even if it takes me another year to get all my xp, I will do it. I will do it at my speed though. I won't sacrifice any other portion of my life for a game. No one else should be expected to either. Perhaps you should ask yourself why this game is so important to your life.
I would not like combat xp to be changed but acutlly unless you are a commando throwing granades, combat xp is free.
I do not even use nades any more because I max out on exp and combat xp in hunting groups and when I cap combat xp, I go back to the village because I feel I am wasting my combat xp ( since I do not get any more). This stops me from capping my other weapons xp.
So , combat xp is really free xp. I happen to like getting extra FS from the combat but ,to stop nade grinding , it seems the devs ARE making granades its own WEAPONS xp . e.g. why not make granades their own weapon xp? make them weapon exp. Is this not what someone was asking in this very thread?That is what will happen. Granade xp will be the combat xp. andconvert in FS exp the same as any other xp. Think about it.
yucky but true.
More xp to grind does not a population control mechinism make. It just means people will spend more time grinding, and less time involved in things like the GCW.
However, SOE is not concerned with these things. Because what this change DOES make, is more money for them.
Make bounty hunters THE jedi population control.
Chris92056 wrote:
I could understand why the casual gamer would be upset about a possible xp change (I am one). But do you really think nothing should be done about the JEDI population? Or is it that you have a problem that their idea of population control will include you?
I’m speaking to those of us "casual gamers" playing for a long time. IT’S BEEN LONG ENOUGH! . If you were going to get it, then you should have gotten JEDI by now.
When a new gamer is making laps around you its time to put up the shoes. JEDI should be for those who are willing to "in some way" make this game a priority to them. Some sort of sacrifice. I know it's just a game. It's a game with multiple class options..Not just Jedi
The vast majority thinks something must be done about JEDI overcrowding. SOE is on the same page (or they should be). You’ve had plenty of time to get it by now. They even gave you multiple x2 weeks of double XP’s and the ability to change your template to use the system to your advantage.
People who think the rules should never change are (in my opinion) dead wrong. If this game is going tosurvive it needs to adjust to whatever changes are necessary. And the idea that SOE is in it for the money....Um No SH@T Sherlock..... It’s a business.
JEDI is a class that should be hard to get. It should be a class that makes people "not" want to do it. If you have not done it yet....maybe that should answer some questions.
Ok Chris92056, us "casual gamers" should just give up the game and leave eh? Thats your solution?
Do you know why I class myself as a casual gamer? I have a job, one that demands a lot of hours both working and travelling. I then have a second job working weekend nights. This is to pay rent, food etc etc. Thats not your problem I know, but any spare hours I get are dedicated to SWG, but your answer is that although I pay the same amount but dont have the time to dedicate to "grinding" then I in some way dont deserve to have my character become a jedi????
2x Xp.......... hmmm, yeah. I was working mate and that was given by way of compensation for downtime not as a reward to be used to powergame ur way to jedi. I have no problem at all with people that were able to use it for that, but your idea that I should just give up because I dont play the same as others is frankly insulting.
I agree that there should be some population control on jedi, there are far too many, but that was always inevitable when the basis of SOE's sales pitch was "you can become a jedi". To penalise a style of play is not the answer though. Sure, if I wanted to I could probably cap my pistols and rifles xp once a night and get less sleep than I do now, in a vain effort to get done before this change hits. Will I ? Probably not but I could, I just dont see why I should suddenly get penalised halfway through the current method.
There has to be a better way, my issue is that SOE consistently wont look for it and take the easy way out.
Your belief that players such as myself are somehow not worthy of having a jedi character makes me sick tbh.
Short_Timer wrote:
Ok Chris92056, us "casual gamers" should just give up the game and leave eh? Thats your solution?
Do you know why I class myself as a casual gamer? I have a job, one that demands a lot of hours both working and travelling. I then have a second job working weekend nights. This is to pay rent, food etc etc. Thats not your problem I know, but any spare hours I get are dedicated to SWG, but your answer is that although I pay the same amount but dont have the time to dedicate to "grinding" then I in some way dont deserve to have my character become a jedi????
2x Xp.......... hmmm, yeah. I was working mate and that was given by way of compensation for downtime not as a reward to be used to powergame ur way to jedi. I have no problem at all with people that were able to use it for that, but your idea that I should just give up because I dont play the same as others is frankly insulting.
I agree that there should be some population control on jedi, there are far too many, but that was always inevitable when the basis of SOE's sales pitch was "you can become a jedi". To penalise a style of play is not the answer though. Sure, if I wanted to I could probably cap my pistols and rifles xp once a night and get less sleep than I do now, in a vain effort to get done before this change hits. Will I ? Probably not but I could, I just dont see why I should suddenly get penalised halfway through the current method.
There has to be a better way, my issue is that SOE consistently wont look for it and take the easy way out.
Your belief that players such as myself are somehow not worthy of having a jedi character makes me sick tbh.
could not have said it better myself! I think they should keep the rates at what they're at now, but make the threat of being a jedi even riskier. Waving your glowstick around theed shows that they are not afraid. I mean, what happened to perma-death or the blue glowie idea? getting slayed in combat should be that ultimate risk - for me I know I would be extra careful.
someone said that the BH vs Jedi was put in place for PVP content, which I agree it does... but, I think that the BH profession is there to help control the Jedi population to some degree. Yet since kashyyyk; with the trail andthe droids, that seems to be going by the waist-side (IMO). then with the addition of NPC Boss marks on the BH terms coming out, that will probably mean less Jedi hunting for some because of the loot drops.
Why does it seem that they arepulling the rug out on the ones still trying to become a jedi and just not target the jedi profession directly with penalties of perma-death and blue glowie? ok, maybe perma-death is a bit harsh...
Having constant changes in XP gains like this (e.g group xp change - I know, temporarily removed and it's just the TC) really frustrates a lot of people who are both casual and power gamers!
If this continues that 255,000 subscriber mark may dip even more......
Message Edited by tcatchev on 07-28-2005 01:08 PM
Chris92056 wrote:
I could understand why the casual gamer would be upset about a possible xp change (I am one). But do you really think nothing should be done about the JEDI population? Or is it that you have a problem that their idea of population control will include you? Ah, obviously this is going to be another great post from one of the "I'm already a Jedi"crowd. Did you even read the thread?
I’m speaking to those of us "casual gamers" playing for a long time. IT’S BEEN LONG ENOUGH! . If you were going to get it, then you should have gotten JEDI by now. Oh great. That's the answer? We should have been playing the game the way *you* play it, and if we didn't, if we had less time to play, or roleplayed, or anything except head for the "end game" career as a Jedi, then it's just too bad? Again, coming from someone that already *has* their Jedi (Yeah, we noticed the avatar fanboi) it rings hollow. (Sort of like your head when someone knocks on it.)
When a new gamer is making laps around you its time to put up the shoes. New gamer? You? You're the standard? So all of us that have been playing for 2 years don't deserve a little warning or even a the respect of a red name coming out and stating their intentions? JEDI should be for those who are willing to "in some way" make this game a priority to them. Aw geez, well there you have it. My priorities are eating and living indoors, and that requires me to work for a living. My priorities are my lady love, and my friends. I only play SWG for fun. Damn! If only I had known!! Some sort of sacrifice. I should *pay* to make sacrifices? Pay to suffer a little when I'm supposed to be having fun? I know it's just a game. Doesn't sound like it. It's a game with multiple class options..Not just Jedi Really? From the way it's advertised, you can't really tell. From the TV ads it looks like you can be two things - Pilot and Jedi. From all the of the content added for Jedi, and the constant nerfing of anything and everything that threatens them as an Alpha Class within the game, anything and everything that feeds the egos of - oh, people like you Chris - that think they should be virtual reality GODS, it's a little hard to remember some times that there are other things to do than point towards becoming a Jedi.
The vast majority thinks something must be done about JEDI overcrowding. Yeah, and since it won't affect you, you're a big fan of that idea now aren't you? SOE is on the same page (or they should be). Same page as the Jedi. Hello? Kashyyyk? Sound familiar? Doing the feral wookiee mission is a joke now, since you have to beat the AFK Jedi grinders to them on the trail. You’ve had plenty of time to get it by now. They even gave you multiple x2 weeks of double XP’s and the ability to change your template to use the system to your advantage. Two weeks of double XP doesn't mean a thing if you don't have the time to play the game Scooter. Chiding people that don't do things "your way" repeatedly only shows what a simple-minded tw*t you really are.
People who think the rules should never change are (in my opinion) dead wrong. Again, I'm betting this opinion is only as strong as the first nerf to hit Jedi. Then I'll bet you'll be screaming like a scalded cat. If this game is going tosurvive it needs to adjust to whatever changes are necessary. And the idea that SOE is in it for the money....Um No SH@T Sherlock..... It’s a business. Right, and the players - you know, the ones PAYING all that money? - are saying that maybe SOE is running the business in the wrong way.
JEDI is a class that should be hard to get. It should be a class that makes people "not" want to do it. If you have not done it yet....maybe that should answer some questions. Yeah, what a great thinker you are Chris. /endsarcasm. Maybe us "slow folks" were trying different professions, going on guild hunts, roleplaying, crafting, having fun. It wasn't that we didn't want to be a Jedi at some point, it's that the road to getting there had been already laid out. Remember Pub 9 and 10? The big "JEDI REVAMP" that was supposed to allow people to take their time without holo-grinding and all that? Yeah, I figured you had forgotten that, since your whole post here just stinks of ignorance. So the path to Jedi is there, and from time to time a trip to the village to complete a quest, and convert some XP was happening. Well after two years, I've played the game, had some fun, and now I'm interested in finally getting to Padawan. Not Jedi mind you - just Padawan. Only now it seems that a stealth nerf is on the way, making it harder to get finished with the FS process.
That won't hurt the powergamers, or the people that start with ONLY the intention of having a Jedi - like, uh, YOU for instance - but the people that want to enjoy the game at their own pace are shafted. Not that you care of course. You GOT yours already right?
Sorry. I used the word exploit for lack of a better term. This is as close to exploit as you can get without actually being one. To be honest its the devs fault for even making this possible. Short sited doesnt even come close.
The big thing is all this nerfing will do nothing to increase their subscription rates. Treating your playerbase like this will loose you many more subscriptions. You want people to stick around? How about improving the game. Fix all the profession related bugs THEN tweak xp. Happy players will stick around, try letting us know that you even give a s$&# about your subscribers. There is alot to this world its just got lots of bugs and frustrating players will do nothing for the game or your profits.
The way things are going, I think id rather be at work than playing this game. My idea of fun does not include spending months grinding endless amounts of xp. Its supposed to be a damn game not a job! NOBODY likes to grind..... its just not fun
Regarding jedi population....
Make getting glowy time dependant. You should have to be master in an elite profession for say 3 or 4 months.
Oh and for all you people braggin about how your done the grind.... Lets reset all jedis. Send them back and make them do it again. You want to change xp now? Im getting screwed and you want to throw it in my face? It would serve you right.
Perma death is not the answer. To put so much time into your jedi character and then to loose it over a death... could be lag, could be a stupid mistake... is just to much.
Starstrider6 wrote:
Chris92056 wrote:
I could understand why the casual gamer would be upset about a possible xp change (I am one). But do you really think nothing should be done about the JEDI population? Or is it that you have a problem that their idea of population control will include you? Ah, obviously this is going to be another great post from one of the "I'm already a Jedi"crowd. Did you even read the thread?
I’m speaking to those of us "casual gamers" playing for a long time. IT’S BEEN LONG ENOUGH! . If you were going to get it, then you should have gotten JEDI by now. Oh great. That's the answer? We should have been playing the game the way *you* play it, and if we didn't, if we had less time to play, or roleplayed, or anything except head for the "end game" career as a Jedi, then it's just too bad? Again, coming from someone that already *has* their Jedi (Yeah, we noticed the avatar fanboi) it rings hollow. (Sort of like your head when someone knocks on it.)
When a new gamer is making laps around you its time to put up the shoes. New gamer? You? You're the standard? So all of us that have been playing for 2 years don't deserve a little warning or even a the respect of a red name coming out and stating their intentions? JEDI should be for those who are willing to "in some way" make this game a priority to them. Aw geez, well there you have it. My priorities are eating and living indoors, and that requires me to work for a living. My priorities are my lady love, and my friends. I only play SWG for fun. Damn! If only I had known!! Some sort of sacrifice. I should *pay* to make sacrifices? Pay to suffer a little when I'm supposed to be having fun? I know it's just a game. Doesn't sound like it. It's a game with multiple class options..Not just Jedi Really? From the way it's advertised, you can't really tell. From the TV ads it looks like you can be two things - Pilot and Jedi. From all the of the content added for Jedi, and the constant nerfing of anything and everything that threatens them as an Alpha Class within the game, anything and everything that feeds the egos of - oh, people like you Chris - that think they should be virtual reality GODS, it's a little hard to remember some times that there are other things to do than point towards becoming a Jedi.
The vast majority thinks something must be done about JEDI overcrowding. Yeah, and since it won't affect you, you're a big fan of that idea now aren't you? SOE is on the same page (or they should be). Same page as the Jedi. Hello? Kashyyyk? Sound familiar? Doing the feral wookiee mission is a joke now, since you have to beat the AFK Jedi grinders to them on the trail. You’ve had plenty of time to get it by now. They even gave you multiple x2 weeks of double XP’s and the ability to change your template to use the system to your advantage. Two weeks of double XP doesn't mean a thing if you don't have the time to play the game Scooter. Chiding people that don't do things "your way" repeatedly only shows what a simple-minded tw*t you really are.
People who think the rules should never change are (in my opinion) dead wrong. Again, I'm betting this opinion is only as strong as the first nerf to hit Jedi. Then I'll bet you'll be screaming like a scalded cat. If this game is going tosurvive it needs to adjust to whatever changes are necessary. And the idea that SOE is in it for the money....Um No SH@T Sherlock..... It’s a business. Right, and the players - you know, the ones PAYING all that money? - are saying that maybe SOE is running the business in the wrong way.
JEDI is a class that should be hard to get. It should be a class that makes people "not" want to do it. If you have not done it yet....maybe that should answer some questions. Yeah, what a great thinker you are Chris. /endsarcasm. Maybe us "slow folks" were trying different professions, going on guild hunts, roleplaying, crafting, having fun. It wasn't that we didn't want to be a Jedi at some point, it's that the road to getting there had been already laid out. Remember Pub 9 and 10? The big "JEDI REVAMP" that was supposed to allow people to take their time without holo-grinding and all that? Yeah, I figured you had forgotten that, since your whole post here just stinks of ignorance. So the path to Jedi is there, and from time to time a trip to the village to complete a quest, and convert some XP was happening. Well after two years, I've played the game, had some fun, and now I'm interested in finally getting to Padawan. Not Jedi mind you - just Padawan. Only now it seems that a stealth nerf is on the way, making it harder to get finished with the FS process.
That won't hurt the powergamers, or the people that start with ONLY the intention of having a Jedi - like, uh, YOU for instance - but the people that want to enjoy the game at their own pace are shafted. Not that you care of course. You GOT yours already right?
*ZING!*
IF, and I repeat, IF this has to do with people using grenades to generate huge amounts of combat xp, then why just not remove c12 certification to commando or placing the xp gained with nades into heavy weapons?
Anyone want to guess, WHY this was done in such a "stealth" manner? Anyone want to bet if we get a full fledged explanation for this? If it sticks and it makes it to the live server that may be the last straw for a lot of people - and they probably know it...
I guess this is a lesson for all of us.... USE EXPLOITS! It's the only way to get ahead cause a few months down the road your going to get punished for it even if you don't.
Quit being lazy and do things the right way. Either change nades to heavy weapons xp or cut back the amount of combat xp nades give you (like say to the amount you get with any other weapon).
oh and I just have to add.... Casual gamers have just as much right to jedi as anyone else. Why? Because they pay the same monthly fee as all the rest do.
This hasn't been about the causal gamer in a long time understand we do not matter any more.
They want the power gamer that grind day in day out with no thought about anyone but themselves and what they can get done. To heck with any one else or any other class getting attention fixes
Yes this killed the rest of us, i am wondering at what point between the changes the bugs , folks speak out be heard or walk.............
i am sorry it took me 6 months to grind 1 proffesion that i continualy faced bugs during the phases quests that it took mutliple csrs to finaly get my "unlocks seen" but that is what we face as we continue to choose to play this. Continual "sneak in crap in patches and bugs in patches that make it live even if reported on test center.............
Oh gesh the quality of groups on my server even if i wanted to grind the next few weeks, arggggg
Who ever said not in my back yard sums up the current game great ...... If it didn't affect them they could care less about any one else........