Force Sensitive Archive
Thread: Imperial Inquisition
Chroma_Key
Tue Jan 18, 2005 4:19 pm
#53
Gellay I always hated that both sides have identical powers! I completely support the idea to have different light and dark skills and powers.
About the credits cap, it could solve the problem but does it fit a dark jedi's lifestyle? 
Chroma_Key
Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:50 am
#56
PaxEternus wrote:
Firstly not everyone who is glowy is glowy to become Force Sensitive. I know a fair number of people who won't want Dark Jedi Inquisitors jumping up everywhere and trying to seduce them to the dark side. This also penalises members of the Rebel faction, because it doesn't leave them a great deal of choice.
Secondly, on a thematic point, the Inquisitors are not people of Jedi level. They are people like Mara Jade who are just sensitive to the Force, and it gives them a small edge over other people. Mara Jade was the most capable of these people, and even a moderately trained Padawan would be stronger in all aspects of the force than she was. The Emperor does not want anyone of anything apporaching the Jedi level of power around. He doesn't even fully trust Darth Vader, according to the EU.
Thirdly, and most important to the people on these boards: you're removing low-level and Imperial Jedi from the player Bounty system? And having Jedi hunting other specific Jedi. This would remove everything the Bounty Hunter profession has.
Secondly, on a thematic point, the Inquisitors are not people of Jedi level. They are people like Mara Jade who are just sensitive to the Force, and it gives them a small edge over other people. Mara Jade was the most capable of these people, and even a moderately trained Padawan would be stronger in all aspects of the force than she was. The Emperor does not want anyone of anything apporaching the Jedi level of power around. He doesn't even fully trust Darth Vader, according to the EU.
Thirdly, and most important to the people on these boards: you're removing low-level and Imperial Jedi from the player Bounty system? And having Jedi hunting other specific Jedi. This would remove everything the Bounty Hunter profession has.
About glowies and rebels.
I suggest if someone wants to break free from the inquisitors, he can do so by defeating an x number of inquisitors in a row. Then he can eitherseek a player jedi to become his padawan or just remain a force sensitive individual and benefit from whichever skills he likes.
Rebels can remain as they are or right away skip the line of aspiring jedi and begin right away.
About the level of anInquisitor's power
Inquisitors are not jedi knights, they are equal in power to padawans. Mara Jade was by no means as weak as a padawan is in game and she was not an inquisitor either. Now would the Emperor allow them to grow in power? He did in the expanded universe. I did not make it up. Lord Hethrir was quite mean.
About Bounty Hunters losing the right to hunt Padawans
Their target group stillgrows. They lose the padawans but can hunt all knights, all rogue inquisitors AND all ranked factioned characters. More money and targets in the end.
Chroma_Key
Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:36 am
#57
The rule of two first appeared in Episode 1 and was later expanded in the Expanded Universe. It was conceived 1000 years before the rise of the Empire by Darth Bane. According to that rule there could never be more than 2 sith lords. The reason was that the sith empire collapsed from within as the sith battled each other for power.
SithLord2600
Sun Mar 13, 2005 2:18 pm
#58
I like the idea of players interacting with other players, It will keep the jedi population down. The only problem I see is that there already hundreds of jedi to take force sensitives on the path to a jedi. If everyone takes an apprentice, so to speak, the number will double. What I think should happen is only 4 jedi (2 light, 2 dark) should become inquisitors. These four should be the highest and second highest members of their respective councils. This will cause the jedi to slowly crawl back instead of just a large transfer. Also it will literally depend on the people. If one of those 4 quits it will take even longer for the jedi to return. This even created the posibility of the jedi going extinct if the jedi in training can't complete and quit, if the four want to be the last of the jedi, or the four quit. Yes, existing jedi now but aren't one of the four are going to be very, veryangry. In the event of the fall of the jedi order, everyone else should be givin by a dev or an NPC the ability to master any profession they have a badge for, weapons for that profession, faction points and credits. Amount(creds and fp) and weapon specs would depend on how far they were in jedi. Spending so much time on becoming a jedi should have great compensation if the order falls. The fall of the order is unlikely but it can't hurt to have a backup plan. This will help in putting SWG on the path of the original timeline.
Even if you completely reject my idea, the idea you put forward is still a very good revamp in comparison to the current system and would help make SWG more like Star Wars.
/sign
DanaDrakar
Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:20 pm
#59
EU not withstanding dear, yoda said there are always two. not that there are only two in the movies. you do the math. which is the final say lucas or some writer??
Israth
Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:02 pm
#60
I know I'm way late, but the rule of two only applies to sith, at least in this time period. Palply is the master, and Vader is the apprentice. You forgot to mention that it can't be just two Sith, it has to be master and apprentice. Palpy has a lot of "hands" that work for him, such as Mara Jade, who are dark side adepts, basically a un/little trained dark jedi. So dark Jedi working for the emporer would be concievable as long as they don't become too powerful.
Everitt_Cage wrote:
"I consider a village of force sensitive refugees and 2 jedi enclaves to be out of line story-wise."
Your whole idea(which isnt a bad idea in itself) is based on this thought, that you think the current establishment goes against the SW story. Well, unfortunatly, yours does too. Allow me to explain:
We have come to find out in the movies that there exists a rule among the Sith, commonly called the "Only Two" rule. What this rule states, is that there can never exist more than two Sith at a time. What is the reason for this rule? Thousands of years ago, when the Sith numbered in the thousands, the shear greed and lust for power that is the dark side, drove the Sith to fight amongst themselves and battle for leadership. They eventualy destroyed their Order as a whole, and the Jedi destroyed the remaining ones. Only one Sith survived. This Sith was named Darth Bane, and he established a New Sith Order, which, at its core, possessed a rule stating there could NEVER be more than two Sith at any given time, and the purpose of this new rule was to prevent the Sith from doing what they had done before when they were many.
For a second realize the meaning BEHIND the rule. It's purpose was protection.
Now. The Sith Order has existed in the shadows for a thousand years until, in this time period, Palpatine has brought them into the light, and taken over the entire republic, defeated the Jedi, and set himself up as Ruler. Just as it would violate the rule for himself or Vader to train another Sith(as having more sith around would be dangerous to either of them and violate the meaning BEHIND the rule), training dark jedi would be equaly dangerous. At the very core of the dark side are hate, greed, and lust. The greed and lust is what make any who use the dark side, Sith or Dark jedi, a danger to others who are their 'friends', as that greed and lust will drive them to destroy each other in the pursuit of being the most powerful. As it is, Palpatine can keep and eye on one apprentice(Vader). He would be foolish to condone the training of 'dark jedi' for the same reason he wouldnt condone the training of additional Sith(even though this is an contradiction of terms. A jedi is a servant of the people, somone who uses the dark side is a servant of themselves. Once you start using the dark side, you cease to be a Jedi, so there can never exist a 'dark jedi')
There is nothing loyal about the dark side, thats the very nature of it. Any TRUE roleplayer, if they were a dark jedi, would try to overthrow Vader and the Emperor(were that possible in the game). Once again, the dark side is about lust for power, and somone controlled by the dark side would not be satisfied being somones dog on a leash.
The whole point of this: TheEmperor would not train people in the dark side of the force, as doing so would be creating people who could(and would) strive to otherthrow him to become more powerful themselves. Palpatine isnt a fool, and wouldnt create a systemwhich so blatentlyWOULD endanger himself. I know in books that authors have written about dark jedi, but those authors are not George Lucas, and in the movies we have never seen a Dark Jedi. Many different authors write many different variations of the Star Wars story, and these different variations contradict each other many times. That is why its safest to stick to the movies and their novelizations as to what is and isnt fact, and just enjoy the expanded universe as what it is: different writers interpretations of the SW story.
Message Edited by Everitt_Cage on 01-12-2005 10:32 PM
Icer_Reaver
Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:11 pm
#61
Gah... Only Rebels (Well, mostly) Being hunted by BH's? Bah... lol! 
Chroma_Key
Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:44 am
#62
SithLord2600 wrote:
If everyone takes an apprentice, so to speak, the number will double.
In my system joining the Inquisition is not for life. People can be kicked out at any time according to their actions and how these actionsaffect their"prestige".
Ephrath
Sat Mar 26, 2005 6:06 pm
#63
First of all I think this is a good direction to go with the whole Jedi thing. To settle some of the arguments we could look at it this way: Jedi of the old republic had to come from somewhere; same with the Sith. It should be perfectly possible for someone to become like a Jedi just by being force sensitive. Likewise, it should be possible for someone to become like a Sith just by being force sensitive. As far as continuity with the GL SW... that was out the window ages ago with SWG. Just the same it is a good idea to keep the actual Jedi order out of the picture. Instead we should have "Force Wielders" and "Dark Force Weilders". As far as one being stronger that the other... that's bogus. The Jedi of the Ep1 era were weaker than the Jedi of the Millenia pior (Master Windu stated in Ep2 "Our ability to use the force has diminished"). it'snot thatthe Dark Side is stronger; it's justan easier path tochose.
I would say in the SWG world we should have Force Wielders who are adepts but not as powerful as Jedi or Sith.
atat9619
Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:36 pm
#64
Anikan and Obi-Wan vs Dooku Ep 3
arkside Wins
Anikan vs Dooku Ep3:Lightside wins
Mace and jedi council members vs Palptibe and Anikan Ep3:at end of battle
arkside wins
Yoda vs Palpatine Ep3
ark side KICKS HARD @##
Obi-Wan vs Grevious Ep3:wouldn't say if its a force fight
Obi-Wan vs Anikan Ep3
arkside kicks @$$ but lightside wins
Anikan vs Dooku Ep3:Lightside wins
Mace and jedi council members vs Palptibe and Anikan Ep3:at end of battle
Yoda vs Palpatine Ep3
Obi-Wan vs Grevious Ep3:wouldn't say if its a force fight
Obi-Wan vs Anikan Ep3
Message Edited by atat9619 on 03-26-2005 11:41 PM