Force Sensitive Archive

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SikrouDeco wrote:
Jedi's are the stars of the movies, if things keep going as they currently are they will be gone and the game will be a generic rpg. Don't like Jedi go play wow or guildwars. LOL Personally most I talk to will leave as soon as LOTR comes out so no big. Beta starts in 2006!

Message Edited by SikrouDeco on 07-31-200511:51 AM

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The Jedi population has already spiraled out of control. There is nothing the devs can do that would effectively fix the Jedi, and their place in the game. They were originally intended to be only 2% of the ENITIRE GAME population. If this were the case, they would be able to be the powerfull, 10 man army they should be. The only solution is for people to a) not want to be jedi(like thats gonna freaking happen) or b) delete the jedi completely/make a non jedi server. Both of these solutions suck...hard...The devs gave into the player community and allowed anyone with a lot of credits and a ton of free time to become jedi. In the year they could've spent fixing it, they didnt. Instead the screwed over BHs at Publish 10 or 12 or whatever, and they are screwing them over again with Publish 21. There is nothing to do that would make the Jedi situation the way it should be. Its even worse now. People fresh off the loading screen, CL1 and CDEF pistol in hand, wanting to start the path to Jedi. Call me a ranting old timer, but the devs bit the big one in terms of Jedi.

SWG was about being an AVERAGE PERSON in the Star Wars Universe. About being a chef, or an outlaw, or a soldier. Your characters movie equivalant should be an EXTRA. You are a NORMAL PERSON. THAT, is what made SWG appealing to Star Wars fans. If you want a glowstick fest, play KOTOR or Jedi Outcast...note how it has jedi in the title!!! What a concept. I want the Galactic Civil War, not the Force Wielding Queer War.

Message Edited by Rales on 07-31-2005 06:12 PM

Did you guys read his post ? He makes absolute sense, not to mention you guys are so bent on thwarting the one people want out of this game. You know know it, SOE knows it. I have played this game since 2 months prior to officail release and the one thing I have learned. You can try to make this game as reality based as you want, want things to be a certain way but all it comes back to is this. ITS A GAME! SOE IS HERE TO MAKE MONEY!! Then everything becomes clear. I can understand people wanting to voice how they think things should go. I know the game use to be more fun to play then it is now, but it was new then and nobody knew much about it. Now people have help threads for everyting.

WE R HERE TO HAVE FUN! If you want reality then go live it and stop trying to make this your reality. The people that get screwed playing this game are the ones that do other things besides grind. Why do you want to make this game so miserable for realities sake. I think people that try to make being a jedi so hard you would have be one in real life need to have have their head examined. Cant you split reality from this game. Do you really sit on your spare time trying to re-design for SOE and you dont even get paid for it. How you can screw everyone else for the sake of the powergrinder. Then you need some serious psycoactive drugs and a good theropist.

I pay my 15 dollars a month like everyone else, and I wouldnt mind having a second account (after all 15 bucks a month is the total of two accounts for other game) jedi and my exsisting non template would be nice with out everyone trying to ruin it.

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Rales wrote:

....or b) delete the jedi completely/make a non jedi server. Both of these solutions suck...hard...

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Actually though, an equitable solution would be to create a new RP (story accurate) server, where the old rules of Jedi attainment would apply, in other words an unkown random per character method of advancement.Cap out the number of Knights per server. Have NO Masters as there was only ONE master of the Jedi (Yoda) and ONE master of the Sith (Sidious) during this time period. Make excess visibility a disaster for the Jedi as would be accurate (Even Kenobi could swing a sabre in Mos Eisley and not get insta-ganked).

In addition, allow a free character transfer. Players wishing to transfer to the RP server would have to remove all Jedi and FS skills from their template. This would be achieved during their initial log in to the new server, and would be presented with a one time respec. Only Jedi and FS skills could be removed, only mundane skills could be added. Any FS or Jedi skills left over after submitting the respec would be lost and the skill points would be freed up.

One Last Note: Making any changes that involve removing Jedi from the current game on current servers, would be a BIG financial mistake on SOE's part.

I as Beta 4 Player say this:

Make it a 36 MONTH VETERAN AWARD.

And make it an UBER-ELITE-CLASS.

Because someone who plays this game for 3 years should know it nearly completely and deserves to become a Jedi....

I think only the hardest players would reach that Level, but if you really want it, you would get it then...

(And Sony would really do something nice to the REAL VETERANS of the game - and would get 3 years of paying customers also...)

I think Sony should look at it in a parent's perspective. If you can play nice, we'll take it away.

Message Edited by Deathswitch on 08-01-2005 03:49 PM

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SikrouDeco wrote:
What gets me is why does anyone care how many Jedi there are? Does it stop them from playing? No. does it make their characters invalid? No. There has never been a real concrete reason. And please don't bother with storyline, the game is so far away from the story that nerfing jedi is not gonna fix it. SOE goofed, made it to easy, don't blame the players for leveling to Jedi, blame SOE, they run things, they blew it. Case closed. And guess what they really aren't nerfing Jedi that badly, for every nerf there is a counter punch. Some good some bad. BH's found out they weren't immune, so no other prof is either. Ask doctors, dancers, creature handlers, rangers, etc.. they have all been in the cross hairs at one time or another. The truth of the matter is the Dev's are not skilled enough or experienced enough because this game genre is too new, I give it another 5 years before mmorpg's are a viable entity. As is there are too many areas they simply cannot keep up with. And by saying the devs are not skilled is not meant as an insult, it's just a plain fact that they are in over their heads. The routines in place cannot hold the load, the fault truly lays in many areas but namely planning. And even they cannot be blammed in that they have no set criteria to use to plan this out, they are making it up as they go. I stopped worrying about reach new levels in Jedi etc.. I just play, and grind and spend less time in game. I'm less stressed by it and will move on soon when other games come out. My main concern has been and remains the lack of support offered by SOE. It's non existent in my mind.

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This is anidea that I really like: have a minium of 10 different ways to get glowy. When you make an account you are randomaly choosen one of the way to get glowy, and you can't get glowy any other way. With this idea you couldn't get glowy as quickly or as simply as you can now, sure people will probably post with a guide for each way, but you have to figure out wich way you have. The 10 ways could be different badges for each one, or missions that you have to do in order to get glowy, or a mix of them. This would slow down the people who have not yet gotton FS, but so many people are already FS. If you examine some random person you see, chances are that they will have all or most of the badges needed for FS.

Vet rewards are an OK concept, however currently you can disappear for a while and come back and get all those vets rewards (I was gone for 1.5 years, came back and was showered with cool things).

I honestly think the current servers are what they are, and there is nothing that can really be done about them. Create a new server, with new rules and jedi limits and make it a RP server. Account Transfers can happen with FS stripped and if they need to keep a uniformed unlock formula on all servers, tweek the current one with the launch of the new server(s). Or keep the same one, with limits in place it really won't matter. Login limit or XP limts are the best ways to control them, with capped amount of jedi that can be on the server at any given time (perhaps have a queue you can place your jedi char in while you play your other toon). The arguement you cannot limit what people can do is bunk, because they will know the rules BEFORE they switch over to the server.If they do not wish to beaffect by limits, they can stay where they are.Perhaps combine the populous of a couple servers if they cannot add any more servers to the game to free one or two up. MxO recently did this.

People leave SWG cause they get bored, or the reason they chose to play the game no longer exists. A lot of those wanted to RP in the star wars universe, where the realities of the movies exist. Few to little jedi, and everyone else just trying to make their way in the galaxy. Instead of mass Bol/Picket slaughter. Creating RP server(s) with know limitations BEFORE anyone plays on it will statisfy those who want to play on a server with a not so crazy jedi population, and not mess around with those who like the game as is on their respective servers.

When I started this game the 'hook' was "To live in the star wars world", and that was enough for most. Jedi were still extremely rarely seen. Now the 'hook' seems to be "become a jedi". In the new tutorial you are visisted by a Jedi, you are referred to as "somebody with potential" in the newbie quest". The whole vision of the game has shifted from being someone living in the world to making everyone a hero. This is the central problem in my opinion, and I don't think they will ever shift back to the original concept, but rather encourage everyone to grind Jedi (to draw large numbers to the game) then nerf everything when they think too many people are becoming Jedi.

Every newbie now arrives here wanting a Jedi. I see some doing village quests within a couple of weeks.