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Thread: For those hit by the new patch.

Jyli
Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:08 am
#40

Personally it won't change the economy for me. The people I shop from, the people that supply me and myself don't solo-group. There are a lot of people that don't do it. I think that the effects will be small and short lived myself.
pa1n
Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:42 am
#41

I hate groups. I hate ppl. I love solo. Leave me alone.
Rhadida
Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:05 am
#42






XeroHaven wrote:

I would think that in order for crafters to match up with the combat players, they're prices would have to be lowered. i mean...if everyone lowered their prices, the economy wouldnt be so bad...it would virtually be the same....its when you have people making crap money, and then you have others charging millions, that the economy becomes unbalanced. simply put, crafters WILL HAVE TO lower their prices to balance the economy, otherwise they wont have consistant customers. Atleast not as consistant as they are used to now.


And if you ask me, this is a good attempt to balance the economy. Leia only got 35k for bringing chewy to Jabba, yet you have to pay an average 200k for decent armor?


I think this all is leading into the combat rebalance. econmy will have to change along with it for the game to remain balanced.




Remember that crafters will only lower their prices when they have sold the high-priced-resource-required items for at least the price they paid for them (probably with some profit else they craft in vain). I also have just filled my warehouses with tons of components, that i bought for prime prices



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Sothicus_Kitara
Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:17 pm
#43






bigpun44 wrote:
Ok, so now we are grading the post because I stated something you diagree with?

I will try to be state my opinion for you in manner that suits you.

Making sure to double space after each period, capitalizing and correct punctuation.

It is a damn posting board, weather or not I put a comma here or there or a period there I could careless. The point I was making is that I work 40+ hours a week, and for a hobby I play video games. I like this game so I choose to play it, and the last thing I want to do is come home and mess with a harvestor interface for four hours just to be able to afford armor for the profession I choose.

I had just stated that I do not see harvesting as a viable source of money for the way some play this game. If you have found a way, Hooray!! for you and I am glad you have the time to invest to play with a havestor and worry about clicking to put things on a vendor, setting a price, making sure that none of the auctions are up with out selling and replacing them on the vendor. please read the post don't pick and choose pieces of it and make assumption. SOE has to keep in mind that if they want a large community for all there servers they will have to make changes that will not affect a majority of it paying customers or what has happened in the last few days where I log in and poeple are selling all there items for a credit and buffing for free cause they are leaving is going to be a common theme.




Here, let me reply line by line so you know that I am reading your WHOLE post.


First, I did not grade your post. I didn't star it nor did I give you an "A" for effort. What I did was made a joke and said, "Seriously though, here is a rebuttal..." a rebuttal is, "the speech act of refuting by offering a contrary contention or argument ", in case you didn't know.


You don't have to have proper grammer and spelling, that's your choice.


Yes, you are right -- this is a posting board and you don't have to put comma or a period in if you don't wish to. I have lot's of grammer and spelling mistakes. It happens... it was a joke, get over it. You seem awfully upset over your spelling if you don't care.


If you don't want to use a harvester, you don't have to. The point I made was in response to your post... here's the very first line of your previous post, "I cannot understand the whole harvesting thing because that is not a payout." And you continued on about how it was not a viable source of income. I rebutted (again look above for definition) and gave my own personal experience as a source for my defense.


Nowwho's making assumptions now? I read your whole post.. remember? It made my eyes bleed. Your post for the most part spoke of harvesting and crafting and changes to the economy. The last part spoke of SOE's not caring about bringing in more people, then you speak more of looking at vendor's costs and finally wishing that SOE paid more attention to those who have wishlists and what have you here on the forums.


I was not rebutting any of that last section. I only spoke of one part which I also made mention that you and others have made comments on. Again, that was harvesting not being a viable source of income. Which I defended with my own experiences.


Finally, not to assume, but thanks to WHOEVER 1 starred my previous post for rebutting an argument. Obviously that is the best form of disagreement around here instead of conversing using these threads and posts.









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CheeseBurgerAnimal
Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:33 pm
#44






jphillips1868 wrote:


Payouts from solo groups are going to be nerfed. If you are in a sologroup of 10 people and take a 30k mission and complete it when other players are not close enough to get a payout, you get 3k, the other 9 get 0. It appears that xp will not be split though. Pets will not be counted for higher missions or payouts under the new system.


See Tiggs posts in this thread:

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=in_testing&message.id=31775&page=1


So you are better off, credit wise, doing the highest level mission you can pull on your own.

Message Edited by jphillips1868 on 11-10-2004 09:32 AM




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vars_t
Wed Nov 17, 2004 4:50 pm
#45






XeroHaven wrote:


Just my 2 credits on the situation, but in the long run i think this will be a great step towards a more fair and realistic economy. If they do it right anyways. :-P






The economy is based on Capitalism. There is no such thing as a fair and realistic economy in Capitalism.


That'sfunny to say that the economy has inflation. Is there such a thingwithout having a prime rate of intrest and a cost of living that does not change. Yeah price are high but they will always be high to the realtive amount of money you have.


If you make a 100credits and a suit of armor cost you 90 credits, there will be no difference if you made 10credits and the suit cost you 9.


The same problems that exist now will be the sameproblem that will exist when you make less money.


It would have been better served to add some new content and charged credits to do it then it would be to decrease the amount of money to made. Don't waste time on the economy when there is nothing new in the game to do. Even if it only took 5 minutes - spend that 5 minutes on some of the bugs!






Vars
Caerid_Loc
Wed Nov 17, 2004 5:50 pm
#46

first off, i love the fact that there are dialogues going about economics. trade, and such, in a game like this. i dont think that non-players realize how involved, thought-out and passionate they can be. props to all of you who take part.


when is this nerf going to take place? i thought that it was going to be yesterday, tuesday the 16th. i log on last night and do a solo mission, my usual janta fare on dant and at the end of it i get a nice little message on my screen saying those out of range wont get their money. thats different. i still got 31k for it however. thats the same.


anyway, i think any goodchange in an entrenched system is going to cause upheavals. consider hydrogen and electricity as an alternative to oil based fuels. in my mind the concept is obviously a good thing, but you have this whole infrastructure that is set up around oil and gas that will just break if there is a cold turkey change. so what doyou do? start slowly. encourage changeover and fuel efficiency, start manufacturing more and more hybrid cars. or trying to relieve traffic by bringing light rail or monorail into the metropolitan area (here in seattle). this will cost a huge amount of money, but is doable if you do it in stages. one leg at a time will keep the budget realistic, but also begin to alleviate the problem. eventually oil will be scarce but it will take a while. bringing payouts down is necessary, but i would encourage soe to take this in a step by step process. a poor system is already in place, why break it if it is unnecessary?


well, now that that pretty little message is done, and wont get read by a dev in sight, i am going to go and look for some more details on this. i hate the idea of bringing work into a game, but it looks like it might be a reality for a while.
Caerid_Loc
Thu Nov 18, 2004 12:45 pm
#47

also 6 hours isnt really all that much. i once played counterstrike for 40 straight hours. thats probably closer to unhealthy, especially with the mandatory case of mountain dew.
hopnasty
Thu Nov 18, 2004 4:54 pm
#48






Caerid_Loc wrote:

also 6 hours isnt really all that much. i once played counterstrike for 40 straight hours. thats probably closer to unhealthy, especially with the mandatory case of mountain dew.






Wow. My personal best for CS is 18 hours.

SWG personal best marathon = 20 hours.


I'm a noob power-gamer.




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