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Thread: Do any FSXP grinders feel the same way I do about the CU?
Rodian-Bob
Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:00 am
#40
LandonRyuu wrote:
This was originally going to be a reply to the "If we really wanted to keep Jedi rare..." thread, but I'm wondering how many other people busting their @ss just to unlock feel the same way I do. So here goes:
Funny how the people who already have Jedi are, and always have been (since original holo grinding) the ones to come up with the crazy ideas like: "Let's make them complete 100 quests at one quest per week cap!"
You've joined the hundreds who already have a Jedi and all of the sudden you are a strong proponent of closing the door. Honestly, it makes you all look all too Republican. (Wealth for everyone, until I get mine!)
As someone who has been playing (and more importantly PAYING SUBSCRIPTION) since day 1 and missed both occassions to unlock by just a hare: (Was on sabbatical for the easy hologrind, Work and a haywire computer stopped me about nine months ago at 14 professions, would have unlocked before the Village patch.) I've got to say that I DESERVE, (yes you heard correctly, DESERVE) a fair shot this time, without interruption, at unlocking my Jedi. (i.e. another FSXP, village quest, FS unlocking system change.)
I've got three more trees to grind, allow me that, allow us all the chance to grind what we've got. Do not change xp, do not change the system, if you want to penalize the Jedi population to make them more rare, penalize the existing population, for once, instead of the myriads just trying to unlock to experience Jedi a little, not to become an uber Master Jedi killing every normal player in his or her path. (After the grind to unlock, many don't have it in them to keep grinding to Jedi Knight.)
Making existence as an actual Jedi more difficult I can live with, tugging on that proverbial carrot AGAIN, I and I know many others, will not.
I can only follow that carrot so far, if SoE intends to make me choose ANOTHER year of my life grinding away just to experience Jedi, or simply no Jedi at all (after I've already worked harder than most of the L337s some of which only had to grind at most, 8 professions.) I will cancel, I will simply cancel. In that instance, it's would not be worth it to me, thanks for wasting my time SoE, ciao.
It's not like there aren't other MMOs, I can always try The Matrix Online, or maybe I can take up golfing. Lord knows even that will be more exciting and take less time than an EVEN LONGER FSXP grind. :-P.
Message Edited by LandonRyuu on 04-05-2005 04:55 AM
That comment about Republicans is just dumb. "Wealth for everyone 'tilI get mine?" What a freakin idiot statement. As a Conservative myself, I'm about personal freedom. Lower Taxes for Everybody, All the Time.Less Goverment Controls on me, my life, and my living. Government shutting the hell up and leaving me alone.
It'sexactly like saying a Liberal's slogan is "More Government is Good Government." Or "Higher Taxes is Good Taxes."
Oh, wait...
Anyway. You've got kind of a good point, but it's kinda clouded by your political predjudice.
-Bob is Robii D'Luminatii
LaserDood
Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:02 am
#41
murphy7 wrote:...And at the end of it, I do not care a fig for what the relative power level of Jedi will be. I want my lightsaber, I want the feel and the role of a Jedi. If it takes me another month or another 6 months to get there, I will get there eventually. But it helps to take time off and enjoy the sights, or just blowing the hell out ships in space for a while.
I just made padawan, and I have to say that Jedi being able to take down large groups isn't a requirement, but being able to hold my own against non-jedi is something I expect. I played through the holo-grind days, took a break around pub-9 and came back to try out JTL and finish off my Jedi, when I saw the rules changing I finished my last tree and a half of exp with imp dets, and am enjoying the game a lot more now. I paid my dues, and do not feel the slightest amount of guilt for using grenades. I got 3 holo based unlocks, which definitely weren't "free" and spent the last 5 months doing village quests, killing NS's for crystals and krayts for pearls, and finally grinding exp. I would have stuck with the TKM/Swords, but I had no idea how much longer the road was going to get after the CURB. There is one documented case on my server of a guy opening jedi with 6 mastered professions.....I don't think that much luck (or lack of) should dictate how quickly you get your glow-stick.
I mastered 13 or 14 before I quit the hologrind, and would have finished that by now if the rules hadn't have changed. I just hope I have time to enjoy playing my jedi, I am skeptical that the CURB will be all that great but I am hanging out to see....I am not pre-ordering ROTW.
SeveronDarkstar
Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:08 am
#42
3 branches left eh? IMO you can make jedi. Just get 4/0/0/0 commando, buy some imp dets, and you can make 200k FS xp a day (which doesn't take long) and still get those 3 branches in April
but I agree with what you said.
OB295
Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:26 am
#43
Correct me if I'm wrong, but where in the hell does it say that they're changing the way you become Jedi? All I see here is a ton of over reaction. I am only FS, not Jedi, and I'm not going nuts like everyone else. If anything, the grind will become easier with this new update, and if anyone has played on Dantooine on TC-5, you should know what I'm talking about. Sure the creatures don't attack back, but when you're even level with something, as you progress up the levels, you get lots more experience than you do in the current system. Heck, even on little things on Tat, I've been able to squeeze out more than the current single-creature EXP cap. I just think you guys need to calm down, because the faster you get Jedi, the more burnt out you'll get and never want to play it. The grind from beginner to Knight will kill you more than this, so relax and don't burn yourself out. No one is changing anything.
ethak1
Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:59 am
#44
interesting debate.I have 3 accounts3 characters (on same server) and on e FS character.Why i have 3 accounts i dont know 
, maybe one was for crafting profession, i for melee to get jedi and one for BH to kill myself . Anyway i just dont grind it out cause i cant be bothered to i just play the game with a tiny grind now and then, i want to enjoy STAR WARS not kill myself in an mindless grind! If i wanna be a jedi now now now ill load up a jedi Acadamy game or KOTOR game. I love the role playof being differentand if one day if i make it (jedi) then so be it. However if u like the grind then do it.
, maybe one was for crafting profession, i for melee to get jedi and one for BH to kill myself . Anyway i just dont grind it out cause i cant be bothered to i just play the game with a tiny grind now and then, i want to enjoy STAR WARS not kill myself in an mindless grind! If i wanna be a jedi now now now ill load up a jedi Acadamy game or KOTOR game. I love the role playof being differentand if one day if i make it (jedi) then so be it. However if u like the grind then do it. Its up2 SOE what they do with the game too many people now know how to get FS and then how to grind mixing it up alittle is a good thing , life is always full of challenges... i just love facing them.
negima
Thu Apr 07, 2005 4:27 am
#45
I must have to say i disagree with many of you guys...
Making the jedi grind harder is better in my opinion (i arent jedi myself)
Becoming a jedi only takes 2-3 months now... There are more jedis than rangers and bounty hunters and many other professions. Jedi isnt any rare anymore...
I do meet over 20 jedis a day... min 5 is jedis in the guild im in. But i hardly see any BE, BH, Ranger, and some other proffesions...
Making the jedi grind harder is just better... all peoples are jedi before they even mastered any other profession. Theres nothing special anymore with getting jedi couse all is it
Making the jedi grind harder is better in my opinion (i arent jedi myself)
Becoming a jedi only takes 2-3 months now... There are more jedis than rangers and bounty hunters and many other professions. Jedi isnt any rare anymore...
I do meet over 20 jedis a day... min 5 is jedis in the guild im in. But i hardly see any BE, BH, Ranger, and some other proffesions...
Making the jedi grind harder is just better... all peoples are jedi before they even mastered any other profession. Theres nothing special anymore with getting jedi couse all is it
Centirion
Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:43 am
#46
Maybe if you spent your time in the game instead of on these forums bitching about what you deserve and how you think it should be, you might have your Jedi unlocked by now. I'm a casual gamer who's played this game from day one. I'm a senior in college with a social life, so I don't have the time many people do to play this game, yet I still have unlocked my Jedi. I've taken several "breaks" from the game where I was gone for months at a time. The reality of the situation is that if you haven't made Jedi yet, you're not trying at all. The original poster said he completed 14 professions before the holo phase and has done 3 fs branches now. I'm only a dumb philosophy major, but shouldn't someone who grinded 14 professions get at least 3 branch unlocks? It seems to me that this poster hasn't done a damn thing to warrant or DESERVE his Jedi. His attack on Republicans shows his general outlook on life and how he is owed something with little personal effort. I unlocked all my branches with the first 4 phases of the village sometime last October, yet I didn' get my padawan till last month. Yea I did teh grenade grind, but that's because I was a TKM and Commando before the Village Quest and enjoyed both of those professions. It was logical and efficient to use proton grenades to get the fsxp faster. I got 2 free unlocks and in a 6 month period unlocked the rest. It's been said already, but if you can't quickly grind FSXP, you're not going to make it as a Jedi. Jedi grinding is 10x worse than fsxp grinding and you have to remain hidden and alone untill you become strong enough to defend yourself. The only way you can enjoy the game as a Jedi is to grind Light saber ASAP so that you can start to get some exposure and be able to defend from a BH. No one owes anyone on this game anything. We all know the requirements to become a Jedi, it's just a matter of personal will and fortitude to get to that goal. Some people are just more determined than others. My advice, quit complaining about something you have complete control over and get in the game and do what you have to if you really want Jedi.
WARMASTERNomAnor
Thu Apr 07, 2005 6:21 pm
#47
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i know how u all feel. i've been playing since day 1, and am just now about to unlock my jedi next week.
if you want jedi in a month and have some cash to blow, like everyone tells u, get 4-0-0-0 commando and get grenades. i'm not kidding, this is your fastest path to jedi. if you say "well why should i waste my time changing my template just so i can grind FS faster..." well i say to you. don't bother complaining and whining about being jedi-less. NO ONE enjoys grinding. so you decide whats more important to you here. Grind hard for a month and spend tons of cash on nades if u are able to. Suck it up, and in a month, you TOO can have jedi.
i've been FS for over a year but was always too lazy to change to commando. i wanted to keep my uber melee stacker template. then finally i just decided jedi was worth much more to me. so i gave it all up, gave up a month of my life to grind FS. and my work has payed off.
so i guess what you should be thinking to yourself after reading this post is: Am i sitting on my butt expecting Jedi to fall into my lap? or am i putting everything i've got into reaching my goal. and if your answer doesn't resemble the later in any way shape or form...then you've got what you deserved.
my two cents. i'm not accusing the original poster of being a whiner. but i know MANY who do day in and day out. so lets quit the whining folks. SUCK IT UP. and when you do, and finally get your jedi...congratulations.
if you want jedi in a month and have some cash to blow, like everyone tells u, get 4-0-0-0 commando and get grenades. i'm not kidding, this is your fastest path to jedi. if you say "well why should i waste my time changing my template just so i can grind FS faster..." well i say to you. don't bother complaining and whining about being jedi-less. NO ONE enjoys grinding. so you decide whats more important to you here. Grind hard for a month and spend tons of cash on nades if u are able to. Suck it up, and in a month, you TOO can have jedi.
i've been FS for over a year but was always too lazy to change to commando. i wanted to keep my uber melee stacker template. then finally i just decided jedi was worth much more to me. so i gave it all up, gave up a month of my life to grind FS. and my work has payed off.
so i guess what you should be thinking to yourself after reading this post is: Am i sitting on my butt expecting Jedi to fall into my lap? or am i putting everything i've got into reaching my goal. and if your answer doesn't resemble the later in any way shape or form...then you've got what you deserved.
my two cents. i'm not accusing the original poster of being a whiner. but i know MANY who do day in and day out. so lets quit the whining folks. SUCK IT UP. and when you do, and finally get your jedi...congratulations.
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I agree bud,especially with that lazy part. I could have been done 6 months ago,but........
WolfeTCK
Fri Apr 08, 2005 1:25 am
#48
personally ive got 10 boxes left to fill, and its gonna take me roughly 26 more grind sessions at around 120k fs xp per give or take, i can cap in about 2- 2 and a half hours, i tried using c12's and the combat xp gain was amazing, ended up getting 125k fs xp with like 700k xp for tk and swords, cause of all the extra combat xp
im considering the commando route, but im afraid if i panic now, and then the cu hits and getting xp wont really have changed much, that ill feel stupid for grinding for a straight month just to see i coulda taken my time
offcourse i decided awhile ago i wasnt gonna bother with jedi, this was in like january, so if i had grinded 10 times per month, woulda been there by now, but hey its only 26 more grind sessions, itll end up flying by
LandonRyuu
Fri Apr 08, 2005 2:47 am
#49
"Maybe if you spent your time in the game instead of on these forums bitching about what you deserve and how you think it should be, you might have your Jedi unlocked by now. I'm a casual gamer who's played this game from day one. I'm a senior in college with a social life, so I don't have the time many people do to play this game, yet I still have unlocked my Jedi. I've taken several "breaks" from the game where I was gone for months at a time. The reality of the situation is that if you haven't made Jedi yet, you're not trying at all. The original poster said he completed 14 professions before the holo phase and has done 3 fs branches now. I'm only a dumb philosophy major, but shouldn't someone who grinded 14 professions get at least 3 branch unlocks? It seems to me that this poster hasn't done a damn thing to warrant or DESERVE his Jedi."
-Centirion
First off you're very pretentious and rude. Your arguments are only based off assumption. Philosophy major indeed. (Enjoy trying to find a career with that one buddy. :-). As long as we're comfortable with assumptions; I'll just consider you the average person in my philosophy class that considers bong craft a job skill.)
Second off, I did 14 professions, and got 1 unlock. Casual? Define casual, please. As a philosophy major I'd think you'd understand the term "relative." It seems to me you must truly be one of the dumb ones. Your casual may not be mine.
Third, let's look at this from SoE's standpoint. How long have you been around? Since launch? Since we're taking liberties when it comes to assumption, here's my wager:
I bet that even though I haven't unlocked FS yet, I've probably logged more game hours than you, (I used to powergame, and you describe yourself as casual.) and I've probably paid more money to SoE than you as well. Deserving enough.
My point; Just because I wasn't playing hardcore during the specified time SoE decided it would make Jedi more readily attainable, I am punished. They repeatedly change the system at a whim. That's BS. Pure and simple.
-Centirion
First off you're very pretentious and rude. Your arguments are only based off assumption. Philosophy major indeed. (Enjoy trying to find a career with that one buddy. :-). As long as we're comfortable with assumptions; I'll just consider you the average person in my philosophy class that considers bong craft a job skill.)
Second off, I did 14 professions, and got 1 unlock. Casual? Define casual, please. As a philosophy major I'd think you'd understand the term "relative." It seems to me you must truly be one of the dumb ones. Your casual may not be mine.
Third, let's look at this from SoE's standpoint. How long have you been around? Since launch? Since we're taking liberties when it comes to assumption, here's my wager:
I bet that even though I haven't unlocked FS yet, I've probably logged more game hours than you, (I used to powergame, and you describe yourself as casual.) and I've probably paid more money to SoE than you as well. Deserving enough.
My point; Just because I wasn't playing hardcore during the specified time SoE decided it would make Jedi more readily attainable, I am punished. They repeatedly change the system at a whim. That's BS. Pure and simple.
Message Edited by LandonRyuu on 04-08-2005 02:57 AM
Bermag
Fri Apr 08, 2005 4:19 am
#50
You are assuming that it will be harder to get XP to convert after CU? On what grounds do you base that? Elite professions have just been opened on TC5 so non knows how hard or easy it is to grind XP. The grenades have been beefed up and the frog generated was 500 use and they actually work in normal combat. Also weapon XP have been raised to 1.2 mill (need 1 mill to master elite combat profession). That is 300k more weapon XP you can save up when converting.
I personally think that grinding Jedi is better than grinding FS (and I have unlocked 2 characters lol only 1 for jedi though). It is the lower level skills that are really a pain (90k left before I get tier 4, that 1.6 mill XP is tough) but still a lot better than throwing grenades and (what I hate most) having to drive and convert.
Centirion
Sat Apr 09, 2005 12:10 am
#51
LandonRyuu wrote:
"Maybe if you spent your time in the game instead of on these forums bitching about what you deserve and how you think it should be, you might have your Jedi unlocked by now. I'm a casual gamer who's played this game from day one. I'm a senior in college with a social life, so I don't have the time many people do to play this game, yet I still have unlocked my Jedi. I've taken several "breaks" from the game where I was gone for months at a time. The reality of the situation is that if you haven't made Jedi yet, you're not trying at all. The original poster said he completed 14 professions before the holo phase and has done 3 fs branches now. I'm only a dumb philosophy major, but shouldn't someone who grinded 14 professions get at least 3 branch unlocks? It seems to me that this poster hasn't done a damn thing to warrant or DESERVE his Jedi."
-Centirion
First off you're very pretentious and rude. Your arguments are only based off assumption. Philosophy major indeed. (Enjoy trying to find a career with that one buddy. :-). As long as we're comfortable with assumptions; I'll just consider you the average person in my philosophy class that considers bong craft a job skill.)
Second off, I did 14 professions, and got 1 unlock. Casual? Define casual, please. As a philosophy major I'd think you'd understand the term "relative." It seems to me you must truly be one of the dumb ones. Your casual may not be mine.
Third, let's look at this from SoE's standpoint. How long have you been around? Since launch? Since we're taking liberties when it comes to assumption, here's my wager:
I bet that even though I haven't unlocked FS yet, I've probably logged more game hours than you, (I used to powergame, and you describe yourself as casual.) and I've probably paid more money to SoE than you as well. Deserving enough.
My point; Just because I wasn't playing hardcore during the specified time SoE decided it would make Jedi more readily attainable, I am punished. They repeatedly change the system at a whim. That's BS. Pure and simple.
Message Edited by LandonRyuu on 04-08-2005 02:57 AM
Ok, since you've conceded that we're going off assumptions, I'll try to make my argument a little more intelligent and less flawed than yours. Casual gamer as understood by the communtiy would be an individual who plays the game for an hour or two at a time, a couple times a week. Where as a power gamer would be someone who plays for six hours+ a day for several days a week. Granted there is muchroom for error, but since I play this game at tops 6 hours per week, I consider myself a casual gamer as would the majority of readers on this forum. If you really want to know, I'm going to be asoldier in the US Army once I graduate college this June. So while you're at anti-war rallies talking about something you really don't know or understand, I'll more than likely be in Iraq dodging bullets. I'm not asking for sympathy or respect, simply stating that I won't be crafting bongs. I'll take your word that yougrinded 14 professions and only got one free unlock, butthe odds of you only completing 1-2 holo professions is veryunlikely. But hey, whatever. I madeno ass out of myself as from what other posters have written is clearly in line with my argument. You're original post said alot. You made an open attack on Republicans liek it was teh cool and accepted thing to do. So yea, I know you'retype. I deal with them every day and blow their arguments to sh**. You've more than likely never taken a high-end philosophy course or anyadvanced political science classes. You're more than likely someone in the social sciences and I would guess you're a sociology or education major. I could be wrong and if I am no big deal.I've played since launch andif you've logged more hours than me it just shows how stupid and unattentive you must be if you couldn't have reached your Jedi character by now.Your current template is going to be null and void as soon as you reach padawan anyway, so you might as well do what you need to to become a Jedi asfast as possible. However, you appear to be another idiot liberal who doesn't have clue one about the real world or any notion of self-sacrifice or altruism. Personally I'm rooting that you don't get Jedi cause the last thing the already hated Jedi community needs is another as**ole like you flooding the Jedi boards with how you deserve to be a Jedi master because you put alot of money into SOE.
FYI, myhope was a violation of Kant's categorical imperative as my maxims would violate universal Law.Bentham's utilitarianism would argue that you not being a Jedi would be the right thing as you'd just piss off more people and dampen the greater utility. Plato would argue what is more contemptible, you not getting Jedi because you refused to put in the proper amount of effort or dicking over all the Jedi communtiy and adding you to its ranks; I'd argue dicking all of us over so I think we have Plato on board. Finally, Nietzsche would argue that it's just a fuc**** video game and nothing matters and if you had the power to do so you could take your Jedi. Obviously you're not strong enough or devoted enough to earn Jedi. let alone make a bold step like breaking into SOE and giving yourself a Jedi. Just a break down of the major ethical theories that exist out there. I'll give you one more tidbit, Philosophy is the basis for any art or science, so before you knock your average philosophy student (this assumes that you really do take a philosophy class) maybe you should actually open those textbooks and become educated and informed. Then again, they probably don't doa very good job instilling academic discipline in the city/techincal college you go to.
Message Edited by Centirion on 04-08-2005 01:07 PM