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You just make the unlock completely random. You also make it so that it can be shut off at any time based on population. You also make it so that showing off in public has consequences. You also make it so that death to PC's has serious consequences.

That's how you control populatin but also give people some hope of becoming Jedi. This is how we thought it would be on opening day.

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GraySeven wrote:

I'm all for controlling the Jedi population, don't get me wrong, but changing the conversion rates is just not enough.

As long as the path to Jedi is known, grinders will knock it out in the minimum amount of time. Changing conversion rates just puts the casual player further away from a Jedi unlock and does nothing.

Keep the Village. Many like it and it works. But the way in which you become "Glowy" needs to change, and it needs to be secret.

Keep the need for badges, but add a few more things into the mix. Require specific badges for specific characters in the same manner that specific professions were originally required.

Require certain quests be completed, specific for the character. Just make sure the quests work before hand.

Require certain artifacts be collected. The Mystical Glowing Orb is really cool, and can serve as a good goal item along with many others.

But regardless of what you do, you have to follow two hard and fast rules:

1. Each character should require different things to unlock, so that one person unlocking doesn't automatically give every other one the key.


2. The path to unlocking has to remain secret.

The biggest mistake the Dev's made was to make the path to unlocking no longer a secret. A big part of the allure of the game was exploring and not knowing if what I was doing was putting me on the path.

Simply lengthening the process does nothing more than annoy people. Grinders will still have all the xp they need come Phase shift, casual players will still get the shaft, and the galaxies will still have more Jedi than are good for them.

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GraySeven wrote:

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Mightion wrote:

Benjamin Franklin once said, "Three men can keep a secret if two of them are dead."

The "path to unlocking" will no longer be secret the moment someone finds it out and posts the secret to these very forums.

Then, people will call for a "new secret path to unlocking", and we're back where we started.

Now that I've become a Jedi, I cackle with semi-evil laughter when a guildie tells me he's unlocked his first branch, but I don't think his path should be substantially altered from mine or made more difficult.

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If no one knows what it is they need to do, then once someone unlocks they can only guess at what it was they did to unlock. This is especially true if you spread the keys out among many different systems.

The original idea, requiring 4 professions specific to each character in which to unlock, was a great idea UNTIL they released the key via the holocrons. Once that happened, the grind was on.

If the keys get spread throughout the content, there will be way too much for anyone to know exactly what is needed. Take this just as an example.....

BillyJoeBob Jr is created on Starsider. At the moment of his creation, the great computer picks the following as the keys to his unlock.

1. Mastery of Rifleman


2. Collect the following badges: Nym's Themepark, Gorax Slayer, Greater Misty Falls, Ben Kenobi's house


3. Collect 20 other badges beyond the ones above


4. Complete the Baobab "Q3" quest, the Deeja Peak Senator's quest, (etc, etc for a total of 7 random NPC quests)


5. Kill 100 Quenkers


6. Travel to Endor, Dathomir, Dantooine, and Yavin IV and kill a creature of CL 78 or greater

This is just a small example of what COULD be used as keys for a characters unlock. To give people a sense of accomplishment, arrange it so that completing a portion of the neccessary unlocks grants you another level when using /check, so that people can see progress being made.

What makes a system like this so tasty is that it rewards playing the game, versus rewarding grinding. It still gives everyone an opportunity to unlock but insures that one person unlocking won't give away the keys others need to unlock.

And as long as the secret to what formula is used to unlock is kept secret, you won't see 20 Jedi recreating the Axe Gang dance scene from "Kung Fu Hustle" in front of the Coronet Starport.....

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Another person with the mindset that only combat people should be allowed to become glowy. There is an entire set of crafting trees in the FS as well. I have a pure combat character that is going for jedi, but I also have a pure crafter that has always been a crafter except for the week I respec'd him to a combat template so I could get glowy and take the crafting trees up. There needs to be a universal way for both types of players to get glowy.

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You know, I'd really like to know why you insist on putting words into my mouth. Where, in all of this, did I say only combat types should be able to unlock? No where, thats where. If you read my posts on the FS forum, I advocate crafters being able to unlock. Hello, look at my sig. What part of that screams combat to you?

Those examples were just that, examples, but do not expect to be able to do ANYTHING in this game without combat being involved. Especially after the CU, pure crafters can only be supported by either guilds or combatalts (or purchasing from combat types) since even a CL 10 creature can zerg a CL1 pure Crafter in a couple of hits.

I don't mind you disagreeing with anything I say, but don't put words into my mouth. I say what I mean, not what you think.

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TheSpaceCowboy wrote:
THANK YOU DEVS NOW YOU MAKING ME GO EBAY BECAUSE YOUR TOO LAZY TO JUST NERF THE COMMANDOES!!

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$%££ off im a comando

i dont mind the grenades going, but nerfing commando? no way! i know you think you jedi are bad off but the command porffession isnt too great at the moment either

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Good Idea here. This is like merging the hologrind with the current system. A couple of points: An elite profession should be mandatory, but any old elite prof, not a specific one. The POI's and required quests should be what we currently have and probably should add some Kashyyk quests in there. But really, I like this. Gets people to experience the game. I also think the points that make one glowy are not set until the person masters their first elite prof. Seriously, can you expect a Chef to go up in the Corvette? The hologrind could be based on your first elite prof. Just some ideas.

To the Permadeath morons: It's not going to happen. You know it. We know it. Give it a rest. If I had to start fresh all over again, I would actually quit. Yes, go on and say it, "good, go and quit". I've stuck with this game through a bunch of changes and more importantly, ALL of my friends that convinced me to get in to this game have all left, but I'm still here. So obviously, I'm a lifer in SWG, UNLESS I was told I have to grind out 6 more months of my gaming experience to make another Jedi. I'm not alone here, so give it a rest. It's not going to happen.

This proposal doesn't exclude crafters because Gray states it would be similar achievements as theyare today, but we just don't know what those achievements are.