Force Sensitive Archive
Thread: Village is Combat Friendly and hates Crafters
Vrykolaka
Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:05 am
#14
Hey, watch out for that jedi! he's going to craft you to death! nuff said
Gooney
Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:14 am
#15
Vrykolaka wrote:
Hey, watch out for that jedi! he's going to craft you to death! nuff said
Ok get your drift a bit...but all jedi are crafters, the jedi from the movies were farmers, artisans and droid engineers...
FS isnt Jedi.
-Gooney
Cherisse
Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:15 am
#16
/agree
And the worst part of the crafters' problem will be completing the exit quest. Thiscannot be solo'd by anyone who doesn't have 2 elite combat professions. It took 7ppl inour guild over 2 hours to help a tkm to complete this part of the quest.
Gooney
Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:17 am
#17
MiKeLpIkLe wrote:
lol i cant wait till i get invest 3 so i can kill all the stupid jedis that got jedi from doc and crafting, They have no combat experiance, probably dont even know what a solo misson is they are the ones who will have novice saber in 4months once they get their act together and realize this is a very very bumby ride and you better be ready because lots of people want to kill you already.
This post isnt about becoming a Jeid Mikelpikle...its about getting crafting FS to enhance your crafting.
Now go chase a mark baby BH.
-Gooney
MiKeLpIkLe
Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:19 am
#18
lol! if their not becomming a jedi then why are they complaining, the village is suppossed to be tough to prepare you for jedi and if your just in it for the fs skills then you should be the one in the back shutting up because we dont care about you!!!
Gooney
Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:24 am
#19
MiKeLpIkLe wrote:
lol! if their not becomming a jedi then why are they complaining, the village is suppossed to be tough to prepare you for jedi and if your just in it for the fs skills then you should be the one in the back shutting up because we dont care about you!!!
Ahh ok, so your the one in charge of telling all of us low lifes how to spend our time/money. Thanks baby BH.
-Gooney
Cubsfan22
Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:36 pm
#20
Hey Mike, you are a retard. Just because I do not want to make my doc or chef a jedi should not mean it is HARDER to do the village.What if I were to want to make my rifleman only FS for the rifle speed and accuracy? Should it be harder for him as well? Well, it isn't!!!!
And if you think you are so big and bad, come over to my server, take a mission on my jedi knight (Marcus) and give it your best shot. We will see who is in the back, shutting up!!!!!
ONCE AGAIN, this is not about becoming a Jedi, this is about being FS to be better at what I do. I want a better chef, doc, whatever. If this was not intended, then half of the FS skills would not even be in there as it does nothing for any jedi what-so-ever. This gave more content to players. Something to do. This was stated from the very beginning of the village, not all players want to be jedi, but this gave them incentive to make thier characters better. So for that reason, it should not be harder for the crafters to convert XP over. It should be the same as combat!!!
Vrykolaka
Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:19 pm
#21
Enhancing your crafting, etc. was not part of the original plan for the village. The village was put in place because the hologrinding was quite pointless. I have nothing against using the force to enhance your skills, but you're using the FS skills outside of their purpose, so it's going to be hard on you. I have nothing against using it, which I'll do with my armorsmith, but the village was designed more or less for the combatant players to get to jedi. They only put in the crafting so they didn't leave anyone out really. If you look at it, no crafter could finish that exit quest on his own and would be helpless.
I don't think the crafters should be complaining because you really have to look at the big picture with what was intended. Just my 2 cents.
StumanKadir
Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:34 pm
#22
The enhancements you get from the FS boxes are essentially useless to the majority of crafters, and are often cancelled or made null through other game mechanics. This is a fact.
Surveying is nullified by the hard survey cap (if you have survey 4 under the artisan tree you get no extra bonus even if you have survey 4 on the FS tree), Experimentation is nullified owing to the present mechanic where the end result is determined by the resource stats and not by the number or level of sucesses (you can get 4 critical success in one round of experimenting and hit the cap determined by the resource stats, or get 3 normals and one amazing and still hit the same cap AND not get any more points ot experiment with).
The crafting FS gives you nothing but bragging rights at the loss of some much needed skill points.
And it gives you nothing else at all - period.
If you wanted to open your 2nd character (which is why most of the crafters that I know of do it), then you are best advised to grind 2h and combat and get the 6 branchs that way. Once you have it, drop combat and go back to crafting if that is what you wish to do longterm. But honestly, doing the crafting FS is a complete and utter waste of time, effort and resources.
And yes, I have done a couple of branch openings but only to get the cool toys, and not for the boxes.
Cool toys is the only benefit IU can see that a crafter will get from the Village under the present game mechanics.
Surveying is nullified by the hard survey cap (if you have survey 4 under the artisan tree you get no extra bonus even if you have survey 4 on the FS tree), Experimentation is nullified owing to the present mechanic where the end result is determined by the resource stats and not by the number or level of sucesses (you can get 4 critical success in one round of experimenting and hit the cap determined by the resource stats, or get 3 normals and one amazing and still hit the same cap AND not get any more points ot experiment with).
The crafting FS gives you nothing but bragging rights at the loss of some much needed skill points.
And it gives you nothing else at all - period.
If you wanted to open your 2nd character (which is why most of the crafters that I know of do it), then you are best advised to grind 2h and combat and get the 6 branchs that way. Once you have it, drop combat and go back to crafting if that is what you wish to do longterm. But honestly, doing the crafting FS is a complete and utter waste of time, effort and resources.
And yes, I have done a couple of branch openings but only to get the cool toys, and not for the boxes.
Cool toys is the only benefit IU can see that a crafter will get from the Village under the present game mechanics.
Trebs
Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:57 pm
#23
I agree and disagree with the first post - the village is ABSOLUTELY slanted against crafters. But the fs-senses tree is not the same thing as the fs-crafting tree. The fs-senses tree is the easiest, fastest, and cheapest tree to fill branches in. Anyone who wants luck, persuasion, healing and surveying - just get doctor 0400 and fill it in 13 hours (check doctor's forum for macros).
But the crafting branches? Check out the great force conversion post here and realize the TONS of resources and time the crafting branches take. The best is spice crafting, with only 42 hours and a little over a million resources per branch.
But the crafting branches? Check out the great force conversion post here and realize the TONS of resources and time the crafting branches take. The best is spice crafting, with only 42 hours and a little over a million resources per branch.
Message Edited by Trebs on 11-29-2004 04:57 PM
Cubsfan22
Mon Nov 29, 2004 6:10 pm
#24
Negative. In the first published reports of the village, it was mentioned that the experamentation of the crafting tree WILL stack on your crafters. If you were only a 10 ptr, then you would be a 12. If you were a 12 ptr, then you would be a 14 ptr. Then the village hit Test and this was removed. The village is not there for only the combatants. It was so ALL people in this game has the EQUAL chance of getting thier jedi.
You know what, forget. Tired of arguing this. Feeling like I am trying to convince a jackass he is not a horse.
Cubsfan22
Mon Nov 29, 2004 6:13 pm
#25
How can a doc do it in 13 hours? I tried the tumbling, did the rez/kill/rez and even did buffing at SP, flew to Dath, transfered and then went back to buffing. 8k FS per Doc cap is not the easiest.
Bermag
Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:37 am
#26
StumanKadir wrote:
The enhancements you get from the FS boxes are essentially useless to the majority of crafters, and are often cancelled or made null through other game mechanics. This is a fact.
Surveying is nullified by the hard survey cap (if you have survey 4 under the artisan tree you get no extra bonus even if you have survey 4 on the FS tree), Experimentation is nullified owing to the present mechanic where the end result is determined by the resource stats and not by the number or level of sucesses (you can get 4 critical success in one round of experimenting and hit the cap determined by the resource stats, or get 3 normals and one amazing and still hit the same cap AND not get any more points ot experiment with).
The crafting FS gives you nothing but bragging rights at the loss of some much needed skill points.
FS experimentation is great! Since I got it I have not had a single moderate success when experimenting. If I had to choose between my 12 pt experimentation or +20 FS Experimentation I would choose FS. When usign good Bespin (which you get filled up after 5 uses) and research city specialization I would still get frequent moderate success or below. But never with FS experimentation. This is very important when making stuff with loot components. Also important to get amazing success when having multiple lines to experiment on (SW being a good example; ws is not that important). When crafting ship components those amazings are probably worth on average one extra expereimentation point
Not sure about surveying but I think it extend range. Or you could have only survey 3 and save 5 skill points (assuming you have to spend the FS points anyway to get an extra character)
The other FS crafting skills seems not be that good. People who have assembly says they still get criticals on assembly (never get any crirticals when buffed with Pyollian). Don't really understand the tech line and if it is only lowering risk of bad success when experimenting it is useless since I already never get anything below amazing with FS experimentation.