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Thread: HEY DEVS : How about some love for those of us who DONT want jedi but do want our 2nd char?
Dragotha wrote:
Norewgian-Scout wrote:
Treemorr wrote:
slacker575 wrote:
um....how exactly are you FORCED to get a second slot?
If you WANT a 2nd slot and DON'T want to get an extra account, then you are FORCED to do the Village. Getting a 2nd account means paying SOE double
the word FORCE is still wrong. If so, everything in this game is FORCED.
Im FORCED to shuttle between planets
Im FORCED to get xp for teamplate
Im FORCED to pay main
Im FORCED to intearct with NPCs/Players
see the point?
when there are NO other ways to get a 2nd slot with out paying for a 2nd acct.. FORCED is the correct word.
nah, this game isnt based on a 2 slot toon system. so you are not FORCED to do anything.
just look at the mass the plays with one toon and are happy.
theEwokDude wrote:This second character slot only for Jedi is the biggest POS system I've ever heard. And please quit with your pathetic 'get a second account' speeches. They grew old 2 years ago. Adding a benefit this big to being Jedi is a big reason why people go down the path to Jedi in the first place. All you people do is complain and cry in your pillows at night because of the ever increasing Jedi population. Well look at this, if you go down the path to Jedi you get another character on the same server! No other profession can boast that! This is just another case of a person not wanting Jedi but feels he must go down that path because he wants another character. If SOE wants to limit Jedi population then do not give Jedi the chance to have 2 characters on one server. If you go Jedi, then you are stuck with Jedi and only Jedi. End of disucssion. Not olny that, but it hurts the ingame economy. Most Jedi I know have crafter alts that make anything they need such as a Chef. That takes away business from other people who only have a crafter as their main profession. Now that crafter my as well go down the path to Jedi so he can get antoher character to actually play. The second character slot only for Jedi makes absolutely no sense no matter how you kids try to spin it. The second character slot was put in way back when there was perma-death for Jedi. That has long since been removed and this should be too. Or at least make it some long, drawn out quest that anyone can attempt.
well said.
could use some paragraphs though
Dragotha wrote:
Norewgian-Scout wrote:
Treemorr wrote:
slacker575 wrote:
um....how exactly are you FORCED to get a second slot?
If you WANT a 2nd slot and DON'T want to get an extra account, then you are FORCED to do the Village. Getting a 2nd account means paying SOE double
the word FORCE is still wrong. If so, everything in this game is FORCED.
Im FORCED to shuttle between planets
Im FORCED to get xp for teamplate
Im FORCED to pay main
Im FORCED to intearct with NPCs/Players
see the point?
when there are NO other ways to get a 2nd slot with out paying for a 2nd acct.. FORCED is the correct word.
Yep... And I'm Forced to pay for fresh veggies if I don't want to grow them.
And I'm forced to pay for electricity if I don't want to onstall solor panels on my roof.
And I'm forced to pay for water if I don't want a septic tank / well / barrels on the back porch.
And I'm forced to pay for a car / gas / etc if I don't feel like walking / riding a bike / etc.
Forced, my ass. It's not like SOE is pointing a gun to your head. Well, maybe in game there's a CDEF pistol pointing your way with some of what they force you to do; you can always walk away...
Zuulu wrote:
I'm just wondering...why do people want an extra player when they don't want to be jedi? Isn't that kind've pointless
Because my Master Archy / Master Carbineer has trouble with high level content....
Drop the pointless comment next time, 'k? More tactfull that way.
Let me see if I can be clear about this...
SOE only allows one character per server/galaxy because why?
Most other successful MMORPGs out there allow more than one character per server, why doesn't SOE?
Some of us, don't have the kind of unlimited personal finances that some of the "get a second account" folks seem to think we do. It is an innane assumption that we can afford that second account.
So, if we want to have an Entertainer or Crafter type character AND a combat capable character, we have two choices.
1. Become a Jedi with one character so you can have another.
2. Play a gimped CL54ish character that is split combat/non-combat.
Tell me, don't you see something WRONG with that? I don't know about you, but, when I watch the Star Wars movies, I am not thrilled with the band starts playing their funky music. I am thrilled when Han and Chewie run down the corridor chasing the Stormtroopers and blasting away. I am thrilled when one of the X-Wing pilots gets saved by a timely shot from his wingman.
Do Entertainers and Craftsman have a place in SWG? ABSOLUTELY!
Should someone get to play at CL1 and have fun with crafting or entertaining? ABSOLUTELY!
It should be noted that the Samarui believed that if you had no artistic skill or training you were not a very good Samarui. They recognized the need for a balance in life. However, there is no opportunity for balance in SWG. If you balance, you are stuck at a maximum of around CL66. That is with mastering one Artisan elite, one Marksman elite, and 4400 in one Marksman elite. As far as I can tell, the mid game, which 66 would be at the upper end of, seems devoid of significant content. Perhaps I am wrong, but mid game seems to be an area many MMOs skimp on and it seems that this one is the same.
Anyway, multiple characters on a single server seems to me to be a standard. SOE has departed from that standard on SWG. I just wonder why when they have not done so on other of THEIR games (see EQ2 or EQ).
zguillotine
2. Play a gimped CL54ish character that is split combat/non-combat.
And this is somehow SOE's fault. Change your character so he isnt gimped.
why should only jedi get a 2nd char on thier acct?
Because thats the way the system is laid out, isnt that obvious.
Message Edited by Jakber on 08-24-2005 11:01 AM
A few quick points....
1. If you want a second toon on the same server and cant afford another $14 per month, you prob shouldnt be playing the game at all cause Im sure your first $14 is needed somewhere else, like food or gas to get to the welfare office.
2. If the word "forced" is appropriate due to the fact that there is no other way to get the second toon other than by unlocking or by paying for a second acct, then I guess I am "forced" to buy food, buy a car, pay my mortgage, etc... as I cant get any of these things without paying/working hard for them. Welcome to America and stop looking for a handout.
Acip wrote:A few quick points....
1. If you want a second toon on the same server and cant afford another $14 per month, you prob shouldnt be playing the game at all cause Im sure your first $14 is needed somewhere else, like food or gas to get to the welfare office.
2. If the word "forced" is appropriate due to the fact that there is no other way to get the second toon other than by unlocking or by paying for a second acct, then I guess I am "forced" to buy food, buy a car, pay my mortgage, etc... as I cant get any of these things without paying/working hard for them. Welcome to America and stop looking for a handout.
Well up here in Canada its $25/month. I am not the only person who plays MMORPGs in my house, so my wife needs to pay for whatever game she is playing - $20 for COH atm - so there is that expense. Plus I pay by game cards, so its not just $25, its actually $50 every two months. If I told my wife I was gonna change that to $100 every two months or $50 per month to alternate I think she would be justifiably upset with me. It would be a complete waste of money - AND IT WOULD BE BUYING INTO SOE'S RIPOFF SCHTICK of having only one character per server. I think its much more reasonable to ask SOE to consider letting us create an alt character, and I can't conceive of any reasonable objection to it. It harms no one.
The Jedi were given their 2nd character solely as an alternate when unlocking Jedi meant you started a *NEW* character as a Jedi, not the one that did the unlocking. Since your Jedi could suffer permadeath, this was a good addition. Now that that is no longer true, its no longer a necessity to restrict this only to Jedi characters.
Its not as if getting Jedi doesn't give you some advantages already:
* You get to play the Uber 1.5x Jedi profession.
* You get to duel others in public places in a pathetic attempt to show off like you had achieved something important rather than you just have more time to play and like grinding a lot.
* You lose the necessity of participating in the economy other than buying some Chef foods or buying and selling crystals or something else equally mysterious and jedi-like. Jedi seem to be in their own seperate economy at any rate.
* You get to play the most important profession in the GCW, and engage in fun PvP with BHs
I am currently working on FS experience. I have no interest whatsoever in Jedi at this point, although with my character being crippled by the loss of 24pts of SP I may end up doing it anyways. I don't see the point though, and I don't want to be associated with the vast majority of a$$hat$ I see who play Jedi (yes I know there are nice ones too, but they are much rarer. I have the nice ones I meet on my friends list).
I want the alt. In most MMORPGs (EQ, DAOC, COH) I play 6-8 characters at any one time and like to rotate from one to another to get different styles of gameplay. I see no logical reason why I should not be able to create at least 1 alt on my chosen server - even if it requires a quest or something, or even is given out as a veteran reward. While SOE may view that as lost income on one additional account, in reality its income they would never receive from me because I can't justify spending $100 every 2 months to play an MMORPG, and it may in fact retain the existing income from accounts longer by letting people try a different style of play without having to redo an existing character just to try something out.
As it stands I have been at various points: Master DE/Master Artisan/Master Merchant, Master DE/Master Shipwright/Master Merchant, MBH/MRifles, MCH/MRanger, MWS/Master Merchant, Master Entertainer/Master Musician/Master ID, and several other combinations, some during CU respec, mostly not, and I find that I keep getting bored with one spec and switching to something else out of sheer frustration. If I had an alt I could switch and play differently rather than loose ground and regain it.
Okies, history lesson here.
The original Jedi concept was you "unlock" a FS slot, that can do NOTHING but be a Jedi. Can't have any sort of normal profession at all. All 250SP are put into "Jedi Initiate" and there are no SP costs beyond that, just XP to grind to get new skills.
Cut to last summer, publish 9.
The Jedi system is changed. You no longer "Unlock" an FS slot, your main toon becomes FS and has the option of pursuing Jedi or not. The second character slot concept is retained, but the second slot is dependent on the first toon being FS and a Jedi padawan, and isno more FS than a lump of rock. If the second character does all the things necessary to become glowy and wants to grind his or her way up through the village quests and the FS lines, he or she can become a Jedi too, but there is no addional slot off that toon. Two is all you can get.
The thing is, the second slot has ALWAYS been connected with Jedi status, and I see no reason for it not to be. It sucks that the main character has to trash an existing template to become a flashlight wielder, and I disagree with that strongly, but this is what the developers have foisted on us, we're stuck with it.
SWG made a concious decision to be different than other MMORPGs by only allowing one character per server per account with the Jedi exception. If you want a second toon, you need to have a second account.
slacker575 wrote:um....how exactly are you FORCED to get a second slot?
well said!
zguillotine wrote:
Why is it, that on other games SOE produces, you can have multiple characters on a single server, yet not on SWG?
The simple answer is that SWG is the only game out there that has a player-based (rather than NPC based) economy. All the weapons/armor/etc. is made by PLAYERS, not loot drops off NPCs or quest rewards. (Tho, with ROTW, that seems to be changing.
This is important because if an account has multiple characters per server. That one account can basically service itself. That is, a player makes an armorsmith toon, a weaponsmith toon, and a combat toon and never has to interact with any other players to get/make what the combat toon needs.
The 24 points is not a template breaker. Sure, you might have to manipulate some stuff, and there isnt as much room for extra skills, but a double master is still very possible.
Look over your options with the 24 pts, and go with it. Survival, Vehicle Control, Luck, Healing, Persuation,Ranged/Melee defense. All these are useful to a non-fs template. I would say if you really don't want your jedi, then look at your FS pts, and find a template that the points will enhance.
Now, I do have to correct myself, I said 24 pts is not a template breaker. There are a few combinations that really don't work, such as MRanger with any Ranged or Melee Profession. You just have to find one that suits what you want to do. There are many options available.