Force Sensitive Archive

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Jedi system

I'm not going to comment on the Jedi system at this time. Clearly it is an area of contention for the some of you and we need to spend some time clarifying exactly how Jedi fit in SWG. (Gordon Walton, Studio Update Pt. 2)

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I consider a village of force sensitive refugees and 2 jedi enclaves to be out of line story-wise. Mellichae is a character with no background or any appearances in the Expanded Universe, yethe fills the role ofthe game's ultimate villain, as hestands inthe final step to become a jedi.We are playing in the Rebellion Era and this village solution ruins the flavor of Star Wars. The Force is a mystical concept that should be treated carefully. At theera of the original trilogythe Dark Side is at it's peak and this should be reflected in the "jedi path" with a solution that is both healthy game-wise and powerful story-wise.

The solution I am suggesting attempts to accomplish the following:

The only available tutors at the time of the Empire, according to Episodes 4-6, are Obi-Wan and Yoda or Vader and the Emperor. However in the Expanded Universe exist characters who qualify for this task. For instance Jorus C'Baoth, Lord Hethrir, King Embadoyados are former jedi knights who have survived the jedi purge.

Specifically the Imperial Inquisition is an order of Dark Side users that serve as the Emperor's means of dealing with the threat that force sensitive sentients pose. The duty of an Inquisitor is to locate such individuals and decide wether to recruit them to the Order or execute them. This means that the Imperial Inquisitors are exactly what dark jedi are in game! Imperial "jedi". Yes they do use lightsabers too, a gift from the Emperor if they survive the entry tests. Lord Hethrir (he is at the Emperor's Retreat) was a former Jedi whose training was completed by Vader.

I suggest the Imperial Inquisition to be acharacter'sone of two waysto learn about the Force.

Once a character becomes Force Sensitive he will be hunted down by the Imperial Inquisition. He will face a choice whether to join the Order or die. If he refuses he will have to fight for his life and seek to learn about the force from another player Jedi. If he surrenders he will be trained in the Dark Side of the Force by the Imperial Inquisition. Along the road he will have theoption to break free from the Dark Side or just turn his back to the Empire.

My new system is inspired by the requirements description to the Imperial Inquisitor prestige class, found in "The Dark Side Sourcebook", published by Wizards of the Coast:

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A character wishing to become an Imperial inquisitor must first demonstrate his loyalty and devotion to Imperial intelligence. When they are satisfied that the character is a loyal citizen of the Empire, the candidate passes to the judgement of the Grand Inquisitor. He must prove his detection abilities by ferreting out secrets and arriving quickly at a correct solution to a test devised by the Grand Inquisitor. If he is again succesful, the character is granted an audience with the Emperor, who tests the character's skill in the Force -- and his moral character. Those who fail to pass this scrutiny, at any step of the way, are destroyed.

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Once a character "glows with the Force" he will berecognized by Imperial Inquisitors (players). An Imperial Inquisitor will be able to arrest a force sensitive player. If the player accepts he will be peacefully taken to the Inquisition's Headquarters by the Inquisitor, where he will have to face a series of Quests (themepark) in the spirit of the above excerpt. These tests must be delt by the player alone, thus taking place in instanced areas and the final parts should be controlled by Game Masters in order to avoid tutorials on how to pass the tests (thnx to ArcadiusPryde for pointing this out).

Should the player fail then his chance is lost and he must bearrested once againby another Imperial Inquisitor. Should he succeed he is offered the lightsaber of a long dead jedi from the Emperor's personal collection, and is set on the current post Jedi Padawan path. Only he is not titled as Jedi but as Imperial Inquisitor.

His ascension now in the order will depend on how many more force sensitive sentients he will locate and how many of them will succeed! If a character succeeds then the Inquisitor whoarrested him gains "Inquisition Prestige" or if he fails he loses "prestige". Thus an Inquisitor may advance in ranks or be kicked from the Order. This method replaces the Jedi Trials. In order to reach the final rank a player must collect the prestige needed.

Once a force sensitive character joins the Inquisition he will be instantly recruited to the Empire.

A player will need to bearrested by another player who already is an Imperial Inquisitor. An Inquisitor will only be able toarrest one person at a time, meaning one person until that one completes the tests. So there will be aqueue of candidates depending on how many Imperial Inquisitors are available on a Galaxy. Recruiting high ranked rebels will grant significantly more prestige to an Imperial Inquisitor, so high ranked rebel players will be preferredby Imperial Inquisitors to be arrested.

If the force sensitive player refuses to be arrested by the Imperial Inquisitor he will be instantly and thereafter attackable byall Inquisitors.However he will be able to seek a Jedi player and become his Padawan as Glzmo's vision describes (linked above). Any Inquisitors killed by force sensitive players will lose significant prestige so they will do anything in their power to avoid being killed by a force sensitive player. The point isto have twoways toprogress in the Force, theseductivepath of the Dark Side for the casual player and the path of the Light for the players who show the deepest commitment!

Also at any time after the candidate is accepted in the Inquisition, if he wishes,he may take another themepark whose concept will be breaking freeof the Dark Side. It should depend alot on Jedi Skills and be heavy roleplaying-wise. This should be the ultimate test of the game.

Thus Light Jedi will be true to what a Jedi should be, especially in the Rebellion Era. A rare and bright example of a hero who has vanquished the Dark Side of the Force.

Dark Jedi Knights should be given an option to be turned tofully ranked Inquisitors,so this system may begin, or remain the way they are.Light Jedi Knightsshould also be leftthe waythey are.

Push the story forward. Have the Imperial Inquisition attack the village and destroy it once and for all, sending a message to force sensitives all across the galaxy. To add a darker note to the story have some of the npcs at the village join the Inquisition! Noldan would especiallymake a tragic dark hero being in love with Marite...

First of all the path to jedi will not be amindless endless grind of a group of 8 hunting the same creatures over and over but will depend heavily on peopleactually playing together. A force sensitive will need an Imperial Inquisitor to join the Order and an Imperial Inquisitor will need tons of force sensitives to advance himself in ranks. Consider the role playing possibilities.

Second this is in complete harmony story-wise with the timeline, as seen in the Expanded Universe.

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I wouldn't be here if I weren't a strong supporter of 3869209th chances...

What I do see with the current system is the xp conversion essentially has made crafting an undesireable profession. I think this is why crafters have become very rare. It's quicker to grind combat to gt through the system

Rikarus Sinn
Rebel Captain,
Formerly of ACES and Arakeen
Jedi?

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Han_Solo_67 wrote:

Player sponosring would lead to a whole new level of elite guild exclusion and we don't want you to be Jedi griefing.

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That will not happen because an inquisitor's ascension in his Order will depend on how many force sensitives he has arrested. In other words, his friends will not be enough if he wished to reach the highest possible rank.

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I wouldn't be here if I weren't a strong supporter of 3869209th chances...

A couple of things. I think you have a great start here, however I disagree completely with having a PLAYER be involved at all. Ever try to buya BE pet on some servers? Good luck .

How about this:

Once a player becomes force sensitive, an imperial inquisitor (NPC) is dispatched (in the same method as the old man) and the player then has the choice to join with the Emperor or if they are members of the Rebel Alliance (the Inquisitor can tell) or refuse, they are attacked by the Inquisitor (not a hard battle). Now, this player is on their own. They will have to seek out a Light side NPC. I believe that Luke would be the only applicable person as Dagobah is not around and Obi-wan is dead. If they choose to join with the Empire, then the Jedi process would begin at the Emperor's retreat in Naboo where they would learn and do quests from Vader and the Emperor. The light side process may be longer just because Luke is new to the force. This isn't complete, but the general gist I think would be awesome, especially for this time period. What do you think?

PS Or a better example is trying to get a darn stat migration. Depending on players for advancement is not a good idea. there has to always be an npc backup, especially for people that don't play at peak times.

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thecolonelcardaks wrote:

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I wouldn't be here if I weren't a strong supporter of 3869209th chances...

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thecolonelcardaks wrote:

PS Or a better example is trying to get a darn stat migration. Depending on players for advancement is not a good idea. there has to always be an npc backup, especially for people that don't play at peak times.

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Now with that I am completely against. What if there were npc medics and dancers in game? That would ruin the community's need for each other.

A force sensitive person would need an imperial inquisitor only once in his life. Surely not finding one right away would be perfectly acceptable.

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I wouldn't be here if I weren't a strong supporter of 3869209th chances...

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I wouldn't be here if I weren't a strong supporter of 3869209th chances...

First of all, what about those of us who want nothing to do with the Empire whatsoever? I dislike all Imperials, no matter who they are or anything. I never help Imperials and never will.

Second, will this path be harder than the Village? because I view the village as being too hard and too time consuming itself...

Also, how long would this take? Right now the Village and the path to Jedi is way too long, taking up to a maximum of a year (It will take me that long just to reach Initiate) and some of us aren't willing to spend that long on a game that some aren't really that dedicated to...

don't think i saw an answer to this but what would happen to the fs skills/xp from the village? i've spent a bit of time to get 12boxes and almost 13 boxes and i want to make sure that time wasn't wasted...

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Your whole idea(which isnt a bad idea in itself) is based on this thought, that you think the current establishment goes against the SW story. Well, unfortunatly, yours does too. Allow me to explain:

We have come to find out in the movies that there exists a rule among the Sith, commonly called the "Only Two" rule. What this rule states, is that there can never exist more than two Sith at a time. What is the reason for this rule? Thousands of years ago, when the Sith numbered in the thousands, the shear greed and lust for power that is the dark side, drove the Sith to fight amongst themselves and battle for leadership. They eventualy destroyed their Order as a whole, and the Jedi destroyed the remaining ones. Only one Sith survived. This Sith was named Darth Bane, and he established a New Sith Order, which, at its core, possessed a rule stating there could NEVER be more than two Sith at any given time, and the purpose of this new rule was to prevent the Sith from doing what they had done before when they were many.

For a second realize the meaning BEHIND the rule. It's purpose was protection.

Now. The Sith Order has existed in the shadows for a thousand years until, in this time period, Palpatine has brought them into the light, and taken over the entire republic, defeated the Jedi, and set himself up as Ruler. Just as it would violate the rule for himself or Vader to train another Sith(as having more sith around would be dangerous to either of them and violate the meaning BEHIND the rule), training dark jedi would be equaly dangerous. At the very core of the dark side are hate, greed, and lust. The greed and lust is what make any who use the dark side, Sith or Dark jedi, a danger to others who are their 'friends', as that greed and lust will drive them to destroy each other in the pursuit of being the most powerful. As it is, Palpatine can keep and eye on one apprentice(Vader). He would be foolish to condone the training of 'dark jedi' for the same reason he wouldnt condone the training of additional Sith(even though this is an contradiction of terms. A jedi is a servant of the people, somone who uses the dark side is a servant of themselves. Once you start using the dark side, you cease to be a Jedi, so there can never exist a 'dark jedi')

There is nothing loyal about the dark side, thats the very nature of it. Any TRUE roleplayer, if they were a dark jedi, would try to overthrow Vader and the Emperor(were that possible in the game). Once again, the dark side is about lust for power, and somone controlled by the dark side would not be satisfied being somones dog on a leash.

The whole point of this: TheEmperor would not train people in the dark side of the force, as doing so would be creating people who could(and would) strive to otherthrow him to become more powerful themselves. Palpatine isnt a fool, and wouldnt create a systemwhich so blatentlyWOULD endanger himself. I know in books that authors have written about dark jedi, but those authors are not George Lucas, and in the movies we have never seen a Dark Jedi. Many different authors write many different variations of the Star Wars story, and these different variations contradict each other many times. That is why its safest to stick to the movies and their novelizations as to what is and isnt fact, and just enjoy the expanded universe as what it is: different writers interpretations of the SW story.

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