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Thread: Devs Withholding Information Is Inexcuseable !!!

ToppDog
Sun Oct 03, 2004 2:33 pm
#1
Publish 10 is no longer a future patch... it is now live, & has been for over a month now. So, why do you keep ignoring questions regarding certain things, or simply skirt around the issues without providing clear & full answers? Thequestion of whether or not a player can completely drop all Jedi & FS skills in the same manner as non-FS professions has gotten all kinds of answers from SOE officials & employees that are incomplete conflict with each other.


In the months leading up to publish 10 you said that once we opened the second slot at the Padawan level, we would be able to do anything we wanted with either char, including making them both Jedi, or keeping the new slot non-FS & returning your main to a previous non-FS template. You said it was completely OUR choice as long as we did the work necessary to open that second slot.


Now we have a problem where people who believedwhat you said havereached Padawan & gotten the second slot, but cannot drop their FS skills for whatever reason. Some have decided they didn't like Jedi & want to go back to their pre-FS templates. Some have realized that you never provided enough information about how certain FS skills worked in the first place,& would like to regress to the point where they can re-train in new ones before starting Padawan again. And many, who are roleplayers & never wanted to play their mains as Jedi in the first place, have accepted the fact that they would have to do the FS grind twice just to get their ONE correct Jedi, would like to return their mains to their original templates.


Now that the problem exists, players are asking questions about it, but what do we get? CSR's in-game or on tickets tell us once you get Padawan there is no going back & the FS skills can never be dropped, ever. Then I get a high level CSR supervisor on the phone who says no, they act like all other skills in the game & you should be able to drop any of them as long as you have dropped all the ones above it etc. just like with current non-FS professions. Then Tiggs makes a post confirming what I heard from the supervisor on the phone saying we should be able to drop them. Yet when players actually try to, they see a message saying you cannot drop FS skills. What the Hell?


What we need are definitive &, most importantly, "correct" answers from official SOE sources to the following:


1. Can FS skills be dropped as long as you have also dropped all the skills above it, as in the current non-FS skill trees?


2. If number 1 is YES, then is there any other restrictions or factors we should know about concerning how the game registers approval of the second slot, such as not being able to delete & recreate a main or Jedi char etc. (not talking about keeping FS skills here, just the two slots).


3. If number 1is "supposed" to be YES but is currently bugged, can we get an official statement sayingso,along withan estimated timelineof whenit should be fixed?


4. If number 1 is NO, then WHY, & how do you see this as either improving the game or your revenues from it?


TheReborn
Sun Oct 03, 2004 2:41 pm
#2
5 stars for you, excellent post...

However I doubt a Dev will read it



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TheDarkmoons
Sun Oct 03, 2004 3:03 pm
#3




TheReborn wrote:
5 stars for you, excellent post...

However I doubt a Dev will read it




My thoughts exactly.




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SSSnuggles
Sun Oct 03, 2004 3:18 pm
#4




ToppDog wrote:

1. Can FS skills be dropped as long as you have also dropped all the skills above it, as in the current non-FS skill trees?


2. If number 1 is YES, then is there any other restrictions or factors we should know about concerning how the game registers approval of the second slot, such as not being able to delete & recreate a main or Jedi char etc. (not talking about keeping FS skills here, just the two slots).


3. If number 1is "supposed" to be YES but is currently bugged, can we get an official statement sayingso,along withan estimated timelineof whenit should be fixed?


4. If number 1 is NO, then WHY, & how do you see this as either improving the game or your revenues from it?




We know the answer to 1 is no, since it has been tried on more then one occasion in game.


PersonallyI believe this system is fine, the second character slot is not meant for those who don't want jedi, it's meant for those who do. This makes complete sense to me. I don't think people who just want the second slot without having jedi should be able to get it. (as for a revenue generator, less people with second slots mean more people with second accounts?)


As for a dev answering these questions, if you are looking for them to read it then this is not the forum to post in, it has been specifically said that they will not be reading this forum and that you should be posting in the jedi forum (see Garva's sticky)



ToppDog
Sun Oct 03, 2004 8:39 pm
#5




SSSnuggles wrote:




ToppDog wrote:

1. Can FS skills be dropped as long as you have also dropped all the skills above it, as in the current non-FS skill trees?


2. If number 1 is YES, then is there any other restrictions or factors we should know about concerning how the game registers approval of the second slot, such as not being able to delete & recreate a main or Jedi char etc. (not talking about keeping FS skills here, just the two slots).


3. If number 1is "supposed" to be YES but is currently bugged, can we get an official statement sayingso,along withan estimated timelineof whenit should be fixed?


4. If number 1 is NO, then WHY, & how do you see this as either improving the game or your revenues from it?




We know the answer to 1 is no, since it has been tried on more then one occasion in game.


PersonallyI believe this system is fine, the second character slot is not meant for those who don't want jedi, it's meant for those who do. This makes complete sense to me. I don't think people who just want the second slot without having jedi should be able to get it. (as for a revenue generator, less people with second slots mean more people with second accounts?)


As for a dev answering these questions, if you are looking for them to read it then this is not the forum to post in, it has been specifically said that they will not be reading this forum and that you should be posting in the jedi forum (see Garva's sticky)





The devs specifically stated that the answer would be YES, which is why I want them to either say it's a bug that they will fix, or fess up to another stealth nerf & time/money sink. I have posted this elsewhere in an attempt to get an official response. The point of this post is to have it where other players can see it & respond, so that the devs will either respond to it or delete it. Either of those will give us the answer we need to know.

ToppDog
Tue Oct 05, 2004 6:48 pm
#6
I talked with another CSR in-game who says the FS skills should be able to be dropped...
VenalPuissiant
Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:12 am
#7
Give these SOE peeps a break. All the good Devs and manpower went over to Vanguard to make that game. The people here are n00bs. (Did I really need to tell you that?) Just as a point when you tell a company something is broke a GOOD comapny will let you know tht is is broke and are trying to fix it. THe people now at SOE tend to not be like that. Yeah it gets real aggrivating but there is another issue here. The engine that SWG uses is not like most other engines. It does not allow DIRECT ingame support. If you have played EQ or AC you know how handy ingame support is. THey can answer all questions and concerns and ...NO..it doesnt stop the flaming or bashing of the game or the support on the forums.



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Naix
Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:54 am
#8
why do devs have to give you info? it's not in the tos. . .I don't understand why you're posting.



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omgswg
Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:18 am
#9
I'd like to see the official response also.



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CoRGaNNo
Wed Oct 06, 2004 5:26 pm
#10




Tekcasualty wrote:
two problems

a. THE DEVS HAVE SAID THEY ARE NEVER READING THE FORCE SENSITIVE BOARDS! YOU ARE POSTING THIS STUFF FOR NO REASON

b. What CSR's say and what DEVS say are two different things. CSRS are just lackies, they don't program nor create the game at all. Second, I believe the devs have posted that you cannot drop FS skills no ifs ands or butts, have a nice day.




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ToppDog
Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:07 pm
#11




Naix wrote:

why do devs have to give you info? it's not in the tos. . .I don't understand why you're posting.



I'm posting because this is either bugged & they are ignoring us, or they FLAT OUT LIED. They DID specifically say before publish 10 came out that we could drop them. I specifically remember TH posting this in a very lengthy & detailed post. And now that it has gone live I want toknow why it's not working. As a paying customer who only stayed around based on that answer beingYES, I have a right to know.
ToppDog
Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:17 pm
#12






Tekcasualty wrote:
two problems

a. THE DEVS HAVE SAID THEY ARE NEVER READING THE FORCE SENSITIVE BOARDS! YOU ARE POSTING THIS STUFF FOR NO REASON


I already said why I am posting this, just re-read it.

b. What CSR's say and what DEVS say are two different things. CSRS are just lackies, they don't program nor create the game at all. Second, I believe the devs have posted that you cannot drop FS skills no ifs ands or butts, have a nice day.


Then this would answer WHY I am posting this, wouldn't it? If this is the case they outright LIED to us & the players have a right to know about it. I for one am absolutely sick of being lied to so that I'll hold on to my subscriptions for one more month.






AnimalMagnet
Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:49 pm
#13




ToppDog wrote:


. . .

And many, who are roleplayers & never wanted to play their mains as Jedi in the first place, have accepted the fact that they would have to do the FS grind twice just to get their ONE correct Jedi, would like to return their mains to their original templates.

. . .






That is the one that gets me. It was stated in no uncertain terms a while back that your main would remain as-is and your second slot would be FS. I don't want a Jedi trandoshan -- I created her for fun so I could play around with some melee stuff until Pub 10. I wanted a Jedi human in my second slot and now they are going to say that I have to do this abominable FS grind twice???? I would just create a new char on another server but I have friends here and also it's a pain to start from scratch.


Then again it was said that you could unlock a Jedi ingame looong before it was really possible so I guess I should not have expected much.
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