Fencer Archive
Thread: AP and the Stun baton
LuapLink wrote:
The only reason the stun baton is popular is thatit does stun damage and composite armour is vulnerable to stun damage, e.g. the armour is vulnerable to it so there is no 50% reduction for using an AP0 weapon on an AR1 target. Since the stun baton is only really useful for PvP against people using 90% comp (its damage is rubbish) there is no real point to making it AP1.
Actually, there are more and more stun resist comp suits going around lately, and the numbers will just increase. Adding AP1 to the Stun Baton would prove to be very useful in the near future.
LuapLink wrote:
The only reason the stun baton is popular is thatit does stun damage and composite armour is vulnerable to stun damage, e.g. the armour is vulnerable to it so there is no 50% reduction for using an AP0 weapon on an AR1 target. Since the stun baton is only really useful for PvP against people using 90% comp (its damage is rubbish) there is no real point to making it AP1.
Most pvp'ers with a stun baton will already have an acklay enhanced baton. Even against a fully buffed opponent you can dispatch them very very quickly.... adding AP1 would just bump fencer up on the NERF list.
Plus fencer is supposed to do stupid amounts of damage - we are all about our defenses. We have the best defense of any melee, this is what we are about - not damage
Nealoc187 wrote:
It's possible to be too powerful for your own good, and adding AP1 to the stun baton would do that in my opinion. If you know what you're doing, fencer is one of the most powerful pvp professions in the game. With the recent advent of the acklay bone weapons coming out (there are 900damage stun batons floating around out there people) fencer weapons have gotten a HUGE boost in damage (though not all fencers can afford them of course).
It would be nice for our damage output, but it would cause an outrage in the game. If any weapon needs AP it would be the gaffi stick. A huge club with a spike on the end of it should have AP, a small baseball bat or police night stick shouldn't. It's a blunt weapon much like a lead pipe. When's the last time you saw someone use a lead pipe and have it peirce through a bulletproof vest.
I'm sure there are a few around, but not everyone wants to come forward and claim ownership, because trolls will come through and cry "nerf" on it. But honestly, we need something done..maybe taking out stun layered armor, or giving the gaffi AP. Hell, I dunno..just as long as they don't nerf defensive capabilities of the fencer.
Well I can see both sides really.
First the Stun Baton is IMO way way betterthen the Gaffi for PVE. If your not using your Stun while your hunting, you are missing out.
Stun weapons were made because composite armor was way to powerful for PVP. Which was great, but then people griped because they were to powerful. Probably justifiably, since not everybody has them.
However, now with the really nice stun armor out there, stun weapons do hardly any damage at all. You can't make the weapons stronger, because then they would rape people without stun armor.
The reason that people think AP1 is the answer is because it would have ZERO effect on somebody not in stun armor, yet only reduce stun armor protection in half (not negating it,) allowing stun weapons to still be somewhat effective.
For the "realists" out there who don'tsee how a "stick" can have AP. Think of itkind of like electricity, it conducts through armor. Shoot somebody in platemail with a Tazer, and they still feel it.
My thought is this:
No AP1 for a PVP weapon like the Baton....BUT...I would like an AP2 or AP3 weapon for PVE so I could actually hunt stuff like Krayts or other big game.
It sux not being able to damage a Krayt at all while watching a HS stand there and wail away, making 4-5 million off the pearl they loot. An AP3 kinetic weapon would not unbalance PVP too much I think, cause most would still use the AP0 baton (how many people use T21s in PVP as opposed to Jawas?).
I solo alot and am frustrated when I cant do anything but ask for a Rifleman friend to come and actually kill stuff while i just bob and weave as a tank.
GIVE ME AP3!!!