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Thread: State of Fencer in PvP

Easy-Exanip
Mon May 17, 2004 6:50 pm
#66

everybody run, the Uber kiddies have invaded this forum!
LOKI_BH_
Mon May 17, 2004 6:56 pm
#67


hey look every body its the arsehole ^^



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DarkJedi8200
Mon May 17, 2004 8:02 pm
#68






KaliMirchi wrote:





Keslann wrote:

spaming 1h hit 3 + decent stun baton = fast kill

I find it very effective unless they have stun armor on, then I switch to the gaffi and repeat, works like a charm









I don't think spamming 1hh3is what Fencers are about- no technique is involved, and it's not using the gamut of skills we are given. Like I said - that's very effective in a duel - but to survive against more than 1 opponent you need to temporarily disable your other opponents while you spam the 1hh3 which requitres huge amounts of HAM.



Seena







Spoken like a true fencer. Nice.



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ka12345
Mon May 17, 2004 8:04 pm
#69

Looks like Seena wants clarification on the moron comments. I don't flame people for making comments that I disagree with...everyone is entitled to their OPINION. But when someone asserts incorrect factual information and/or repeatedly contradicts themselves, that person is a MORON, but not necessarily one worth flaming. When that person continues to spew such nonsense without ever stopping to check the facts, that person is a FLAGRANT MORON who has to be flamed for their own good (kind of like training a dog).


Since Seena has refused to read the Chef/BE/Armorsmith forums, and does not seem to read his/her own posts, I'll summarize a few key facts (most of this has been mentioned in other rebuttals to Seena, but he/she still doesn't seem to get it):


-80-90% Stun armor doesn't exist. The theoretical max is 45%.


-80-90% base armor disproportionately HELPS stun weapon users vs. others, and Fencer is one of those stun weapon users.


-Def. vs. dizzy/blindBE clothing does not exist


-The only BE clothing that affects Fencers in any way INCREASES warcry and intimidate effectiveness.


-Def. vs. stun/dizzy/blind food is on the Chef forum list of foods that NOBODY makes because they are useless.


-Skill mod food does NOT stack.


-HAM buffs affect ALL PROFESSIONS EQUALLY.


-HAM costs are negligible when someone is buffed (opinion: no serious PvPer fights unbuffed, so any mention of HAM costs in a Fencer commentary is irrelevant).


-Fencers do not have a stun state or KD attack (opinion: Seena's admission of ignorance on the difference between stun and blind shows that he/she is a MORON, especially given the importance of blind to Fencing tactics)


-If lunge is useless because anybody can get out of range, and lunge is the longest range melee attack, then all attacks by all melee professions are useless (opinion: not all attacks by all melee professions are useless, so Seena is a MORON for suggesting it).


-Seena's posts directly contradict themselves on the effectiveness of Lunge...first it is dismissed as useless, then Seena explains the tactics that make it useful.


-Fencer IS a heavy hitter in the current game environment (defining heavy hitter as one with high damage dealing capabilities).


-Fencer ISa tank in the current game environment (defining tank as one with high defensive capabilities).


-Seena does not know what the developers think Fencer SHOULD be.


-Seena's vision of Fencer as a 1700's style swashbuckler is severely inconguous with a futuristic STAR WARS environment.


-Seena's commentary that Fencer is weak in PvP contradicts his/her assertion that he/she is a powerhouse in PvP, unless it is Seena's massively superiorskill that overcomes the profession's shortfalls. Therefore, the central message of this thread is either self-contradictory, or shameless boasting (opinion: it is the former).



I'd love to have a serious discussion about Fencer effectiveness in PvP. There are a lot of good opinions out there (I personally think that Fencer is one of the top dogs in duels, especially combined w/ Doc, but is weak in group PvP because of theinability to effectively area attack or play a positional game ona largebattlefield). But it is impossible have a productive discussionwhen everyone is squabbling about well established FACTS. The central proponent of incorrect information in this thread is Seena.


So on this thread at least, Seena = MORON. I can't wait to see this thread die, because it is a waste of everyone's time to read.


Seena, don't be a MORON. Research your facts before you pollute the forums with your misconceptions. Feel free to express your opinions as you wish. I won't call you a moron if you don't base those opinions on misinformation, no matter how much I disagree.




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Keltack
Tue May 18, 2004 8:51 am
#70

/Salute Travolta


Why do I get the feeling that she isn't going to listen to you either though?



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MadKrillian
Wed May 19, 2004 5:57 am
#71

I read the first few sentances. I don't want to read on.


Fencers are REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY (continues 5 more times) REALLY hard to hit.


Fencers have HIGH, HIGH, HIGH, HIGH defneses, that makes them almost impossible to KD or state like you would most professions.


Fencers now have ACKLAY BONES, to create INSANE DAMAGE Stun batons and Gaffy's that OWN US ALL..


Fencers own all. They're cheap. They're good. Get over it, don't ask for more. All I got to say.

VegitoX
Wed May 19, 2004 10:52 am
#72



things that I find funny.


1) How far down hill the Fencerforum has gone.

2) That Fencer is now considered an "Uber" profession

3) That as soon as Raph left the forum, it went to hell.

4) That Persons with TKM under their sigs, even have anything to say about being overpowered

5) How this simple thread has spun so far out of control

6) As someone stated,yes, the kiddies have envaded the forum

7) That everyone assumes that every Fencer carries a pre-nerfAcklay Baton

8) That everyone seems to know everything about us, other than the one thing that renders us powerless.

9) That there is no Dabbler Profession, that way we could clear up alot of the poplular misconceptions.

10) People who, when trying to make a point, always tell you how quickly they Mastered a given profession,like it really matters.

11) Did I mention this forum..oh and Fury, as your last act as Forum Corr., I ask you, please, please close this thread.


Message Edited by VegitoX on 05-19-2004 05:09 PM

Message Edited by VegitoX on 05-19-2004 05:10 PM



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Keltack
Thu May 20, 2004 9:26 am
#73






VegitoX wrote:




10) People who, when trying to make a point, always tell you how quickly they Mastered a given profession,like it really matters.






If this was an attempted jab against me then I feel the need to ask you, how long have you been playing the game? Back when I first mastered fencer, mastering a profession really meant something. I spent most of my time leveing on naboo killing spineflap different kinds of spiders and shapauts. It was not a "it only took me 3.5 weeks to master" statement, it was a I was a master fencer 3.5 weeks from the release of this game... and the reason I included this comment is becuase some ignorant person accused me of being a FOTM newb.


There were alot of valid points brought up in this post, however none of them came from the original poster. Also, FURY doesn't have the ability to lock a post as acorrespondant, that's the moderator's job, and if you would like him todo that I suggest using the "report thread to moderator" instead of including it in your reply as if they are reading every thread on the board.





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Auraveda
Thu May 20, 2004 9:32 am
#74



VegitoX wrote:
7) That everyone assumes that every Fencer carries a pre-nerf Acklay Baton
05:10 PM




This point cannot be emphasized enough. It is a few people with these super amazing weapons. The rest of us, the vast majority of us, have regular weapons that do normal amounts of damage.





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I had a high lvl crafter character.
I had a Bounty Hunter that I hunted PC Jedi with.

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VegitoX
Thu May 20, 2004 10:01 am
#75


Message Edited by VegitoX on 05-20-2004 01:18 PM



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VegitoX
Thu May 20, 2004 10:17 am
#76









VegitoX wrote:




10) People who, when trying to make a point, always tell you how quickly they Mastered a given profession,like it really matters.






If this was an attempted jab against me then I feel the need to ask you, how long have you been playing the game? Back when I first mastered fencer, mastering a profession really meant something. I spent most of my time leveing on naboo killing spineflap different kinds of spiders and shapauts. It was not a "it only took me 3.5 weeks to master" statement, it was a I was a master fencer 3.5 weeks from the release of this game... and the reason I included this comment is becuase some ignorant person accused me of being a FOTM newb.







Actually it wasn't, however there are people who believe that just because they manage to complete a given profession in xy time, that it makes them the authority on that profession. Your comment simply reminded me of that. I know why you included that in your reply, but I still stand by my comments.


Thank you for showing me how to "report a thread to the moderator". i have found that all it takes, most of the time, is for a forum correspondant to step in and say "enough".


I have been a Master Fencer since Oct "03". I leveled up at a time when there were no speed bikes, buffs, or super armor, come to think of it, I didnt even wear armor because that would kill you faster than any MOB would. So am I legit, yeah, i'd say so....if that's what you weregetting atby asking me how long i've been a Master.


The original post was harmless in itself. However it quickly turned into a game of one-up-manship, a flame here..a flame there. Any information that was given was solely to make the other person feel low, i.e. you telling me how to "report a thread to a moderator", at least asI percieved you as doing anyway






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GabrielCreed
Thu May 20, 2004 8:10 pm
#77

im sorry, but the fact that you think 80-90% stun composite is possible shows just what a newbie you are to PVP. knowing what equipment is available for your class, and the classes of others, is the most important part of pvp: knowing what youre facing, and what is available to you.


...and then going on to argue that its available on your server.yes, im sure its the only server to magically allow stun layers over twice the theoretical limit, and nearly 3x whats common. the devs changed the mechanics of armor crafting and experimentation just for you.


as for fighting unbuffed? lmao.anyone who seriously considers PVP unbuffed has no clue w-t-f they are talking about. your opponents wont even need to kill you, youll kill yourself in seconds.


ill defend fencer to the death: its a balanced profession and one that i love. if its powerful in PVPits only because its a class that works the way its supposed to, and rather than nerf it perhaps the professions having problems with it - such as jedi - need certain issues addressed instead. but no matter how good your intentions please dont try to be the spokeswoman for our profession, especially when it comes to pvp, when you so obviously have no clue w-t-f youre talking about, it makes us all look bad.

mafiree
Thu May 20, 2004 8:28 pm
#78






donnysabertooth wrote:





KaliMirchi wrote:





Keslann wrote:

spaming 1h hit 3 + decent stun baton = fast kill

I find it very effective unless they have stun armor on, then I switch to the gaffi and repeat, works like a charm









I don't think spamming 1hh3is what Fencers are about- no technique is involved, and it's not using the gamut of skills we are given. Like I said - that's very effective in a duel - but to survive against more than 1 opponent you need to temporarily disable your other opponents while you spam the 1hh3 which requitres huge amounts of HAM.



Seena







deal with it n00b, if u wnana be good in pvp u gotta spam





lol, sad but true



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