Fencer Archive

i dont wantttttttttttttttttttttttttt med AP. i just want one of our better weapons too have light AP. how you gonna give our weakest weapon AP. its NO better then useing a gad baton. no differnce at all!

SO why use a vibro blade when the gad baton dose the same amount of dmg. cause vibro blade are extremly weak.

I want my damage sliced acklaypower hammerto have 3.5 speed ohh and i want +5 range mods on the hammers as well, notto mention swordsman should have better defense i mean come on it's just not fair we can beat the crap out of high level creatures and npc's but we take a lot of damage we don't get stun weapons and the crappy range mods means i can't hit ppl with my ph in pvp.

variety is the spice of life, each prof has there own advantages and disadvantages you chose your prof on these.

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Sutemek wrote:

I dont think we need an ap weapon, the devs obviously need to nerf armor because it screws over far too many professions in the PvP department(namely everyone but riflemen/cms)

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Ahemmm.....and fencers

But yeah, an Armor Revamp is Definitly called for

When you start hitting for less then a tenth of what you hit an unarmored target for then, i'll say yeah fencer is having "As much" of a problem as everyone else(With the exception of CM and Rilfemen).....

However i wasn't saying armor doesn't affect you at all...it does, it affects the Riflemen too......But Because the Highest stunn layerd Comp i've seen yet is Only 50%(And 3mil+ a peice) it doesn't hurt you quite as much as it hurts....say my scythe....or your Gaffie agains 90% kinetic resists(and probable Defensive stacking and mitigation bonuses...but everyone fightes agains those ).....Stun baton in combination with master fencer is still much better then vibro blade and M.Fencer....or Various other combinations

NERF COMPOSITE!

There is a new thing on the market.. I personally wear a suit of compo that is 77-83% with 43% stun... on EVERY piece. Now that is not the kicker.. I use PSG's the current crop gives me 49% to stun and 40% to all other resists.. The only way to get through this is to have AP.. PSG's do not stop AP. Batons are useless on me. So are Genosian blasters it seems.

All Platemail at the time of gunplay became ribbed on the backside... hammers became obsolete.. look it up. All plate had gaps for movement.. the chainmail coif was used to protect the neck area as a prime example.... themajortarget was under the arms tho, because in order to swing the knight had to open up the mobility gap in the shoulders. Look it up.. I study weapon history.

Heavy swordsmen became extinct about the 1500's. And because of the rapier so did heavy armor. The armor after this point was reduced to a chestplate and helmet, I.E the Conquistadors and Swedish pikemen in the 1600's.

The Heavy swordsman in this game gets an AP weapon and well it fits trend, seeing as he is the mind pool hitting master of melee.

Fencers have alot of defence, this is true.. but they also have the lowest DPS of the melees also, and that is not due to the AP problem. Due to the high armor and buffs the health hit is not an option in pvp these days.. the scdatterhit is what gets used most cause it has a chance to hit the mind pool. Everyone may be getting AP2-3 weapons anyways it seems.. the armor has become so predominant that in order to do much damage u have to have an AP weapon and be able to target the mind. That is why the rifleman is getting so many AP weapons in each publish..

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raldurrm wrote:

sorry but fencer should be heavy ap. in mid-evil times people stoped wearing armor because fencers could peirce through it and beat the heavy swordsman's with heavy armor. that is that.

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Wrong entirly.

Fencing as it is did not exist in the midevil times, this is a relativly new concept enlightened by the fantesy of tuskins.

In the mid evil times, you had Mace wielders, or blade wielders, with a few exceptions.

A sword, (curved/rykk) was definatly not a "fencing" weapon by defination, it was a SWORDSMAN weapon.

the Vibroblade, could be considered a sword I guess, but to my knowldge a sword needs length, more then piddly 9inchs or whatever the vibro is, I would classify the vibro as a dagger, which was fight with as a sword weapon, and/or a stab-type-weapon.

In the mid evil times, heavy swordsman would have been dominated, sure they can slap a sword on you harder, but a truly skilled weapon-master could parry that attack with a one-handed sword with much greater ease, as well as use a second weapon, or a sheild. The two-hander would tire, due to the increased weight of the sword and of the ammount of energy used in both arms, compared to one.

Now this isnt to say that polearms and the like did not exist, they did, the Lance and the Pike/spear show this, but thats a different concept entirly.

Now, eariler I stated Mace users, lets be clear, a POWERHAMMER is not a mace, in midevil terms, to my knowledge a weapon such as that did not exist period, however one called a War-hammer did, which was essentially a small malet, with a cylynder-type metal thinggy on the end, not very effective though. Macers, by my knowledge, used mainly (enlightened for easy understanding of those that can not visualize) a Pipe, with a Spiked ball on the end. Or, a Pipe, with a foot long chain attatched to one end, with, at the end of that chain, a spiked ball.

Umm, hate to say it but the 'medievil time period' ends at the 1300 mark.. or so determined by many historians

Plate mail as u see it in lets say, the movie Excalibre was not around till about 1375.. widely it was not around till about 1430..

columbus sailed in 1492 and as stated by the quote '1500's' instead of using the term 14th century.. don't see how u construed it as medievil..

Take the movie Braveheart.. it is set in the 1350's and all of the armor that the english is wearing is pretty much in error besides the padded and chain mail.. and chain mail was hard to come by since they had not even came across the idea of 'wire' at that time.. all suits of chain had to have the rings individually made. There was a troop of Templars that actually helped the man william wallace win in 2 of those battles.. they made scotland a home after the pope chased them from their castles because he wanted their holdings.. this also was after the saracens took the holy land back. these guys were reported to have a few suits of chainmail with minor pieces of plate attached to it. - I say this because they are the ones that inspired the grail myths and that is what the movie Excalibre was taken from.

As to the weapons.. well I dunno what SOE is doing.. but I know what a fencer was.. and in case u did not know.. the rapier is NOT a foil.. a foil bends where as a rapier's bladeis about 2-3 inches wide at the hilt.

Pikes seen alot of use through all of this, they are just really good against charging horses in any time.. lol

The germans were the first to rib plate therby increasing its strength against warhammers, flails, morning stars, maces, picks.. Best most could do against it was get the knight on his back and off of his horse, because at that point a knight could not get up off of his back due to the weight. Sure there were those knights who dismounted to fight on foot.. but they wore lighter armor.

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Uh, that is all nice and dandy.. but....

We were talking about the fencer and what made a fencer a fencer, which I carried into his weapon and piercing armor as that said definition.

A machinegunner could kill a samauri.. but that was never the topic..

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