Fencer Archive
Thread: I love fencer, but i think it's doomed. Here's why
Tymothi
Sun Jul 04, 2004 3:40 am
#15
Also, the devs mentioned at Fan Fest that weapons will be redone also. Newer weapons like the hack and de10 were created to be just like that after the combat balance so they won't get a change but I think just about every weapon will. Some will probably get fixed more than others. If they choose to leave the vibroblade alone and fix the rest of our weapons then it might actually have comparable damage. So yeah, there will be a LOT of changes in the CB which is why it's taking so damn long. It's a good thing that it's taking a long time because it means they're putting a lot of time and effort into it, they don't wanna rush things and fruck it all up. All I can say to you people who want to leave fencer cuz you think it's "doomed" is PATIENCE. Our profession will be good once again.
Straker_Atrella
Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:14 am
#16
The only thing that may be bad is with people losing the ability to spam specials, it's possible, we may not be able to COB all the time.
V3g3tto
Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:21 am
#17
Piet...got this Jedi called Sothares in AH,..can you tell him to piss off lol,..hes really getting on everyones nerves, he's killing the entertainers too 
He legs it as soon as more than 2 people attack him
Oh yeh, why did i drop pikeman?
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Nealoc187
Mon Jul 05, 2004 8:26 am
#18
I agree with most of what was said here. I ran some tests last night against a friend who is a pikeman swordsman. With full stun armor and using a 227-345 baton, I was doing an average of about 70 damage per hit. This was barely enough to counteract the effects of his regeneration, his HAM was dropping at a painfully slow rate, a rate at which it would probably take me LITERALLY 10 minutes to kill him. I tried alternate attacks and they did no better really, scatterhit2, hit3, and body hit3 all did basically nothing to him. Then I gave him a psg (he doesn't normally use them).... wow. I tried using the same 3 hits, scatter2, hit3 and bodyhit3 and the damage i was doing was an utter joke. His ham stayed full, for 5 minutes of bashing. the #s coming off his HAM were in the 10-15 range... His buffs alone were enough to keep him at full health, i dont mean almost full, i mean his ham regenerated to full before i got my next hit in. and so to deal damage, we're reduced to being DOT whores. I hate having to rely on dots, but with buffs and armor as powerful as they are, and with scatter2 being fixed, even a strong acklay baton can do nothing against a stun and psg equipped opponent with mitigation3.
i havent yet tested this in a controlled environment against a non-mitigated opponent. i expect the results to be somewhat better, and i will report my findings.
V3g3tto
Mon Jul 05, 2004 11:13 am
#20
Yep..seems now your only hope is to go Fencer/TKM..and jsut dont use Fencer at all lol
against a tka, u dont hurt him anymore, even with my acklay, he jsut laughs and spams headhits...
I only jsut got Fencer back after being pikeman a while....im getting owned by the people i used to kill with little effort,..something ahs gone wrong with this prof.
But i refuse to stack it, im staying pure fencer
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veegen
Mon Jul 05, 2004 2:35 pm
#21
What you are saying about fencers not doing any damage goes for all proffesions if you havetop armour, a PSGand have intimidated your opponent. TKAs/Swordsman/Pikemen wont do any damage on you if you have the right gear and have them intimidated. The only proffesion that can deal somewhat good damage through the armour and a PSG is riflemen, but if you can get them intimidated it will be minimal damage anyways, and warcrying or dizzy/kding them will have your HAM back before they can attack again.
However, I agree with you that stun batons no longer beeing as superior as they were a while ago. 35%+ Stun protection along with a 60% (eff. sliced) PSG and intimidation, makes even a very good ackleyed stun baton quite useless.
V3g3tto
Tue Jul 06, 2004 3:24 am
#23
TKA's are far superior, if not for anything else,..purely for their unarmed toughness, accuracy and headhits..whilst your hitting aimlessly away knocking 1 damage off him,..he's spamming headhits at you over and over, its jsut a matter of time until you die.
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khese
Tue Jul 06, 2004 4:15 am
#24
Lol and that is why you dont see that many fencers in pvp now...NOT. dude tk is only used for defensive purposes in pvp most pep have 4000 line in there stack and add other lines based on preference. at least on my server anyway. I can still do damage in pvp with fencer but..... everybody knows pvp is all about dots now cause of the armor. My mind fire is a good thing lol. That is why 3 of the top 5 templates are gonna have fencer in them till the come up with this combat balance. wait till armor gets nerfed...hmm no dont wait jump ship man its cool. Hey if you come to Naritus with your TK I can show you. HeHe.
HashiEno
Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:46 am
#25
im gonna have to agree with the person who started this thread.... i cant do damage anymore. its wierd. sure, ive got tons of defenses, that make the fight last a while, but its really only a matter of time before i get toasted. its interesting... our defenses only seem to give us more time to realize that we are not going to win, and that yes, it may take a while, but we are going to die.
veegen
Tue Jul 06, 2004 3:08 pm
#26
As I said in a few previous posts, future changes in the combat balance, will make fencer better again. (the part about armout/buffs getting worse and the fencer CoB becoming alot more usefull.)
The reason Fencer was so big in PvP up untill just recently, was because people didnt have stun armour, and because of the scatter hit bug, making it possible for basically any noobto be succesfull as a PvPer.
TKA prolly does more damage now, but with proper PvP armour and a PSG, that shouldnt be a problem, and dizzy/kd, along with a niceDoT or something like that, it wont matter so much if you barely do any damage at all.
And its like this for all proffesions really. If you fight a guy with top-notch armour/PSGs and they have intimidated you and they have the mitigation, then you wont do any damage no matter what proffesions you are (perhaps rifleman can still do some damage but if you KD/dizzy then, your HAMs will be full again before theyare up (assuming that you have mind food or even better have mind buffs).
Untill armour is nerfed, DoTs are the way to go ..... preforably mind dots ^^