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Thread: Fencer Vs Swordsman , What is really better for PVP
EnzoPanig
Thu Jul 29, 2004 9:43 pm
#14
I'm not even gonna bother lookin at what everyone else wrote, i'm just gonna say this.
One of my Friends is a master swordsman, I'm Master Fencer, he was Master Doc, even after him healing himself 4 times i still beat him...
One of my Friends is a master swordsman, I'm Master Fencer, he was Master Doc, even after him healing himself 4 times i still beat him...
Adalie
Fri Jul 30, 2004 12:55 am
#15
umm, do you guys pvp at all?
Cause fencer will beat a swordsman hands down. Swordsmen are just too slow and too inaccurate to compete against any of the other melee professions in PvP. With fencer melee defense and dodge, and the fact that they can do stun damage, anyone who loses to a swordsman in pvp really needs to work on their pvp skills..
Swerve99
Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:10 am
#16
LoL Swordsman in PvP? BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Nuff said.
Swerve
Masta Rifles / Masta Fencer / TKA 4000 / Novice Medic
Starsider
Naruk_The_Wookiee
Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:22 am
#17
A Stun-Bat is AP0 and against someone in AP1 Stun-Armor/PSG its useless! A Scythe is AP2 Weapon...Cuttin thru the comp like butter...Fencer was PvP-King while ScatterHit was broken...By now TKA and Swordsman rule the (buffed) PvP-Melee-World...I only have to do ONE single thing to take most of the damage from a fencer:intimidate him...With 70% PvP-Reduction, Armor/PSG, SynthiSteaks and"Toughness" a fencer is notable to deal any big damage to a prepared opponent....sad but true...
WookieOgre
Fri Jul 30, 2004 6:43 am
#18
traxtitan wrote:
For a while people have been saying Fencer is good for pvp b/c of its Def, etc..... and if you Put it with TKM, it could be very good....but recently, well on the corbantis server atleast, I have been seeing much more swordsman owning in Pvp....
So im asking the Fencers who have used Swordsman before, What in your opinion is better for Pvp
The answer depends on the skill of the opponent. If your asking between Fencer and Swordsman, all things being equal (food, buffs, good weapons) the Swordsman will beat a Fencer.
Now before my fellow Fencers go crazy, let me explain. A smart Swordsman can will hit you with an intimidate before doing anything. Now you might say, I'm master Fencer with maxed dodge and mele....theSwordsman will never hit me. Wrong, a good PvP'er will do two things to hit you with that Intimidate. First, use a weapon that has been experimented on in the accuracy and second eat the accuracy food that give's 40-50+ accuracy. With those two things a Swordsman will own you quickly after equipingan enhanced Powerhammer. Trust me, I've done this as a Master Fencer, Master Brawler, Pistoleer template and got beat my friend who was a Swordsman def stacker. It took longer than normal but he hit me with intimidate rather quickly and it was all over after that....i was hitting him for 20-30 damage if that.
On my server I can buy an Enhanced Powerhammer for2-3 mill easily and pretty much anytime....these PHare normally (thats right normally) 700-750 max damage. The good ones are 800 lol. With Medium ap, you will be pwned quick once you are intimidated.
Fact, no matter what Fencer does (food or what not) you're at a disadvantage if the player uses good weapons, accuracy food, imp psg, stun armor, and if need be s. steak for damage reduction (not really needed). Even if your wielding some super Ack Bat (800+) you will lose if the Swordsman is using good equipment.
Until these high damage professions (Rifleman, Swordsman) are balanced in the speed catagory, it will always be like this.
TyrranSkorr
Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:02 am
#19
I completely agree with wookieogre. However, you will probably see many more fencer's beating swordsman over all. This is because most casual gamers who are swordsman have not been able to cap their speed.
When it comes to anything without armor, fencer wins. With armor... depends on the quality and food etc.
If both players where equal on the low side (no buffs/ armor/food) fencer wins hands down. If both players where completely buffed with food enhancement and have armor and psg's the sworsman would own.
Protteus
Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:07 am
#20
AP2 and AP3 bonuses are broken in PvP. Swords is only worth it if you have speed cap, acc cap, and a 800+ hammer, for pvp anyway.
ImpSwordsman
Tue Aug 03, 2004 5:29 pm
#21
Nobody isJUST Fencer.....and nobody is JUST Swordsman
It depends what else they have in their template.
For me as a Master Fencer/Master Rifleman.....i will test a swordsman out by going melee first and if i cant do anything to him i just switch to rifles and kite him till he's dead 
Protteus
Tue Aug 03, 2004 9:35 pm
#22
DoT's rule in the world of 90/40 and 60 psgs with 2.5k stat buffs. Nerfalize it is being tomorrw though. Only fire will be decent.
Logitition
Wed Aug 04, 2004 4:15 am
#23
Well..
On the street a fencer has the best defence, and a swordsman has damage.
Armor and a PSG will make a fencer's weapon useless.. I personally have a 3.0 280-513 baton... it is useless against any target with good armor and PSG. I LITERALLY do like 10 pts of damage.. my lower Gaffi stick is actually the only thing that is any good in those situations and then I do about 15-20 pts of damage.
A Swordsman has AP2 on a few of his weapons.. he can bullet right through armor.. He may have a hard time hitting me untill he stacks the status and swiss cheeses my def.. after that.. he will hurt me way more.
KD/Dizzies are mostly a thing of the past or a last resort in a scrap these days.. I love to see my opponent waste 10 attacks on that combo, all the while getting hurt with a weapon of my choice in one of my off masters..
Alot of people have not caught on to the fact that the elite are running around with 90% protection to Stun. Riflemen coming at me with a jawa rifle better have that thing at 300-700 dmg to get damage on me in my juggernaught armor..
The only thing that can go against it is DOT's or AP2-3. That is why u see alot of riflemen switching to DX6's and T21's... AP2-3
Swordsmen and Pikemen have AP2 weapons.. when used right they can give a serious advantage to your target..
A fencer MIXED with swordsman is a heavy dude..lol
Shinjo_Kanzaki
Wed Aug 04, 2004 1:41 pm
#24
weapon-handler wrote:
The reason they might be owning is because of a 700 max dam + acklay power hammer. Fencer all the way, and you know why because I was the first one on Corbantis and haved stayed fencer ever since. Just take some pikapita pie and a swordsman won't hit you that much.
Zaknafein Do'Urden
lol i was in the middle of another Salvatore book. nice name, don't you wish dual wield was already live?
Kael21
Wed Aug 04, 2004 1:49 pm
#25
Fencer damage is completely borked now. Don't expect to be able to do any notable amount of damage to anyone wearing good armor. The only way to win in pvp now is DoTs. Carry some mind DoT fencer weapons if you want to be able to kill someone. Sadly that's the only real way now.
diepa
Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:10 am
#26
Adalie wrote:
umm, do you guys pvp at all?
Cause fencer will beat a swordsman hands down. Swordsmen are just too slow and too inaccurate to compete against any of the other melee professions in PvP. With fencer melee defense and dodge, and the fact that they can do stun damage, anyone who loses to a swordsman in pvp really needs to work on their pvp skills..
I´m no uber pvp-guy but know how to play my melee-profs...as a master fenceri have nearly no chance against a spd-capped swordsman with his scythe(ap2)...stun-bat(ap0) is no big thing when your opponent wears some stun-armor(ap1)/psg...fencer can deal no big damage in this armored/buffed world...
Adalie is running around with a 700+ stun baton(dont know where or how it came into being but I have been hit with it for over 900 damage), so she/he doesnt have the problems most fencers have with damage output. So as with everything in PvP 80% of fight is your equipment.