Fencer Archive
Thread: TKM vs Fencer...
Dragonbanisher
Sun Oct 17, 2004 10:46 pm
#14
States for a fencer is a LITTLE easier to apply on an opposing TKM than it is Vise versa. Fencers have the natural state and posture defences so KD/Dizzy is a little harder to smack on a fencer especial with a CoB macro going. But with a TKM's great toughness, getting intimidate on the tkm is almost a must. I have done no armor duels lots of times and out of 4 duels with tkms (I've only won about once and got a draw another). I'm not a stacker so my toughness and defences aren't as high as they could be. But unfortunately you'll never find a PURE fencer or a PURE teras kasi out there. I am a bit harder to land states with since as a doc I can heal them off fairly easy. In unarmroed, unbuffed duels it usually turns into who's hit3 hits harder and that's usually the TKM with a harder hitting hit3. Although if I actually got an acklay gaffi it might be a bit different.
/shrug
Reb4ever
Mon Oct 18, 2004 12:34 am
#15
Thats pretty sad that you'd have to use a dot to win. When I fight its no armor, no dots. That way, the outcome of the fight is your skills not how much you paid for your damn dots. Thats pretty weak havin to base your victories on cheap ass dots.
mattco71
Mon Oct 18, 2004 12:43 am
#16
i seem to get owned by tks for the simple fact that in pvp they are mind whores. they simply hit the mind pool too much and with their heavy armor on, i can't dish enough damage to them to kill them.
Fencer is a precision profession, we should have more precision hits. For example, a mind hit, an action hit and our health hit. not saying that they should cause bleeds though it would be nice. But if fencer gets a mind shot and they are thugs who just beat on people with offense, we should definitly get a mind shot.
Fencer is a precision profession, we should have more precision hits. For example, a mind hit, an action hit and our health hit. not saying that they should cause bleeds though it would be nice. But if fencer gets a mind shot and they are thugs who just beat on people with offense, we should definitly get a mind shot.
PharcydeTKA
Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:27 am
#18
No offense, It all depends on the player.
I mean me personally, I can kill any one, armored or not, and im a TK.... my template, not telling, will prevent you from hitting me... i dont use PSG, i dont use armor, if u hit me ill be shocked.
I have mastered every brawler prof and have gone back to TKM so i know what im talking about.
Fencers are simply annoying to me.... I HATE YOUR DODGE :-P... i mean sheesh! Then again once i get u KD'd... ur dead... u can be in 80-90% armor kinetic for all i care ull still die eventually... i mean hey.. it may take an hour but still...
EASY WAY TO KILL A FENCER with TKM: Intimade Stun Spam Unarmed Combo 2 (targets health and mind, if they heal they lose more mind and will die)
Pharcyde Slakeroth (STORM)
Flurry Galaxy
Teras Kasi Master
"All who oppose me will fall"
ganesh666
Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:10 am
#19
twc wrote:
FENCER FENCER FENCER
TKMs have 1 gmh type kin, people are wearing 80-90% suits of comp.
I was wearing my 85% compo dueling some guy and had indim 2 stacked on him and he was doing -3 dmg to me!!!!
Fencer just owns in pvp because they are stackers speed capped witha weapon that cuts right through armor
Because not many people have stun armour now do they?
The stun baton is dead in pvp, i am a fencer and a tkm, and i win a lot more with tkm than i do with fencer. The stun baton is good for those with no stun armour or psg's. But apart from that, you'd do more damage to someone with a rubber band than a stun baton.
Tathizar
Mon Oct 18, 2004 11:53 am
#20
bingo gane ^ ^ ^ plus correct me if im wrong.. but stun baton has light ap? or no ap? and so that won't do much to comp anyways.
hampton_hamster
Mon Oct 18, 2004 4:11 pm
#21
so wait, u call me weak because i use dots?, then u say i paid for them? what if i looted this dot weapon off a mokk. i also have my other skillpoints put into doctor. so because i have less defenses then u do, and have a advantage since u cant heal any sort of dot, i m the weak one? i play smart and to win in pvp, duels r fun sure. but if saw u overt would u say "omg i cant beat u because u have dots, i need a gimp u cant use your best weapon because it pwns me so hard i dont come close to winning"
fighting with no armor is stupid, that would mean a tk could hit u in the mind for 200+ and with the 250max vks i have on my alt tk, who can cure states, sounds like i would eat u alive. no armor leavse u the opppurtunity to get hit hard. my main who is a fencer/doc has a 539 max gaffi. so since i hit u hard and u dont have medic that make me a loser because i rely on my weapons?
i m the weak person who put some thought into thier template, but u cant beat me without giving me a handicap
fighting with no armor is stupid, that would mean a tk could hit u in the mind for 200+ and with the 250max vks i have on my alt tk, who can cure states, sounds like i would eat u alive. no armor leavse u the opppurtunity to get hit hard. my main who is a fencer/doc has a 539 max gaffi. so since i hit u hard and u dont have medic that make me a loser because i rely on my weapons?
i m the weak person who put some thought into thier template, but u cant beat me without giving me a handicap
Message Edited by hampton_hamster on 10-18-2004 04:16 PM
Tathizar
Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:52 pm
#22
please, we aren't here to start attacking other people... tkm vs master fencer is in the case of a duel, and i think most people here would agree that in duels we don't like to use dots... although they can be applied. that isn't the discussion here because both tkm AND fencers can get dots.. in regular pvp i use dots too, anything you can do to beat your opponent. i have some nasty mind fires too in fact =)
Kael21
Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:11 pm
#23
These two professions will always be at ends hehe. I've fought TKM's in duels several times under different conditions. A buffed and armored duel i had a month or two ago lasted 30 minutes and it was ended because we got attacked by a jedi knight (we were overt). Another set of duels i had recently were unbuffed, unarmored between me, and a defense stacking TKM. I won with fencer 2 times out of 3 but all 3 fights were extremely close and it could have been a toss up. Basically it depends on how well each player knows their profession. BTW I was master fencer/tk 4003/ doc 4040 at the time so it was basically just my fencer skills and a little added melee defense. My point is that both professions have their strengths and weaknesses. I could see even the best fencers being killed by a skilled teras kasi master. However, in the same respect, any teras kasi master could be brought down by a skilled fencer.
Kael21
Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:14 pm
#24
PharcydeTKA wrote:
No offense, It all depends on the player.
I mean me personally, I can kill any one, armored or not, and im a TK.... my template, not telling, will prevent you from hitting me... i dont use PSG, i dont use armor, if u hit me ill be shocked.
I have mastered every brawler prof and have gone back to TKM so i know what im talking about.
Fencers are simply annoying to me.... I HATE YOUR DODGE :-P... i mean sheesh! Then again once i get u KD'd... ur dead... u can be in 80-90% armor kinetic for all i care ull still die eventually... i mean hey.. it may take an hour but still...
EASY WAY TO KILL A FENCER with TKM: Intimade Stun Spam Unarmed Combo 2 (targets health and mind, if they heal they lose more mind and will die)
Pharcyde Slakeroth (STORM)
Flurry Galaxy
Teras Kasi Master
"All who oppose me will fall"
Oh, and too this guy. Watch your tone bro, there is always someone better. You sound way too arogant for your own good.
ssublime42
Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:45 pm
#25
I do believe they put in a base 5% chance to be hit, so it is nigh impossible to never get hit
InfidiMihi
Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:53 pm
#26
im master fancer and master tk, and it really depends on a player and on a template.
So for the sake of fairness lets assume we have a pure fencer vs pure tk, full buffs and armor (the hyphothetical no armor or no buffs doesnt fly - people that do it claim "skill" in fact its just using the fact that your profession has an advantage if neither opponent wears armor). Now, everyone has armor but not everyone has dots - and dots are different - so again for the sake of fairness lets assume both are armed with regular weapons, say tk has a vk that does 50-200 and fencer has a stun baton that does 100-300.
I will not declare a winner, just let you decide (+ means good - means bad):
Offense:
1. Tka will do (if i am correct) 200+250 = 450 kinetic base damage. Base 85 armor, 32% in toughness - other reductions are equal -
Fencer will do 300 stun, 40 stun armor, 45 stun psg basically same as armor almost, (although some things apply before armor does i believe), 57% in toughness +
tka will do MORE damage than a fencer. Our (or their? Im both 
) tka specials hit a bit harder as well
) tka specials hit a bit harder as well2. Fencer cant target pools other than health -
Tka can target any pool +
3. Tka can stun, blind, dizzy, kd, dizzy/kd, lunge, intimidate +
Fencer can blind, dizzy, bleed, lunge, intimidate -
Overall, tka has a greater variety of states and they are somewhat easier to apply (dizzy/kd is easier than dizzy then lunge, and unarmed hit 3 blinds AND does nice damage - very useful against jedi 
)
)Our bleed is useless.
1. Fencergets hit a bit less but formore damage (dodge) + + (dodge truly is great, and it works, unlike tka acuity - although in a fight with a tka it doesnt help that much because they are melee and they have high accuracy)
Tka gets hit more but for less damage (toughness) +
2. Fencer has a bit more in terms of melee/ranged defense +
Tka has a bit less -
3. Fencer has some good states, although against a tka they really wont help - unless you stack them with other professions, and we are talking about pure tka vs pure fencer here - cause otherwise tka
can stack as well and get some fencer trees. +
Tka state defenses are bad -
Other:
1. Tka can powerboost and get a bit of an edge +
Fencer cant -
2. Tka will force of will up assuming we fight to death +
Fencer wont -
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Bottom line, you can see that its a contest between TK offense vs Fencer defense. I was not going to declare a winner, but now I think it is more or less clear - an average fencer will own an average tka. However, if tka really knows what they are doing, fencer is toast. Playing tk is a bit trickier than playing fencer, and most tkms running around don't know what they are doing. But in the end of it, its all skill -
I have killed a fully buffed and armored master fencer when I was unbuffed, had no armor and no vk on me - he was really horrible (i got medic and lots of food though). I've also died to fencers, not as badly as he did but quite a few killed me fairly fast. If someone says "i have never lost to..." they probably havent pvped much. I have lost to every combat profession thereis and not because I suck that bad.
Try fighting a speed capped pure swordsman with +25 in accuracy tapes and a ph doing well over 1000 max damage, or a bh/carabineer with a 500 per tick health poison carabine. Template only matters up to a certain point you know, from there on its all about skill and items.