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Thread: Min higher than max stun batons

Alila
Mon Sep 08, 2003 4:28 am
#1






DarkRaIN4 wrote:


why don't they change the stats on the baton? cause u didn't listen or check in the kwolege database . every normal player would think that their is something wrong when min is more then max . not ?




Almost everyone i know (if seeing it the first time) just think: yet another bugged item, hope it works tho.. csr's sure as hell wont fix it


that IS the normal response to item replacements etc





Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
Idioteque
Wed Sep 22, 2004 1:57 pm
#2

because that would be too easy!
OditeFosore
Wed Sep 22, 2004 2:14 pm
#3

Because after the bones have been used, they claim that they do not have the ability to check the tables and see wha the stats on the original bones were that crafted the item. So, with no way to know what the stats on the bones were, there is no way to know how far the stats should be shifted on the final product. You wouldn't just reverse the stats, it's usually a difference in how far the gap between min and max is also, so reversing the stats would cause a very low range between min and max, which would still be a better weapon than that which would be crafted if the bones were switched before crafting. So, they confiscate the weapon and that's it, or they switch the bones and let you craft a weapon. Poor system - they should be able to check their db tables, get the stats on the bones, confiscate the weapon and give you reversed stat bones in it's place - not perfect but at least better. My $.02



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SuperFrancotirador
Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:26 pm
#4

How does the min higher than max affect the DPS?
NiallMcCormack
Thu Sep 23, 2004 12:08 am
#5

Was just wondering can anyone confirm what CSRs do with these? I saw someone buy one recently and was just wondering.


I know they reverse the stats on the bones, is it the same on the batons or do they just confiscate them?


Cheers, Niall.



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drunkkracka
Thu Sep 23, 2004 12:21 am
#6

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NiallMcCormack
Thu Sep 23, 2004 12:25 am
#7

I dont get it, why would they take away batons and not the bones. Whydon't they just reverse both?



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DarkRaIN4
Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:41 am
#8


Sometimes when u loot bones from the geo mindamagegets alot more then max damage . ( withall my 4 bone loot's it was ) . u have to make a ticket about it and a CSR will come switch the stats.


If u ignore this ( and not do the right thing) a csr can destoy your baton . On lowca their was somebody grinding with a stun baton with more min damage . a csr came and droped it in de cave ( it is still on the ground hehe). but they normally just remove the baton


why don't they change the stats on the baton? cause u didn't listen or check in the kwolege database . every normal player would think that their is something wrong when min is more then max . not ?


none the less this should be fixed


why is a higher minimum damage better for pvp ? TO make it easy mitigration only works on MAXdamge-MINDAMAGE . this is lower on a weapon with more min damage.


if u have a 100/200 stun baton and a 50/300 baton the first batton gets mitigrated for 100 and the other for 250 . making a 300/300 baton better then a 100/350 .









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Alila
Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:28 am
#9






DarkRaIN4 wrote:


why don't they change the stats on the baton? cause u didn't listen or check in the kwolege database . every normal player would think that their is something wrong when min is more then max . not ?




Almost everyone i know (if seeing it the first time) just think: yet another bugged item, hope it works tho.. csr's sure as hell wont fix it


that IS the normal response to item replacements etc





Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
DarkRaIN4
Thu Sep 23, 2004 6:19 am
#10






Alila wrote:





DarkRaIN4 wrote:


why don't they change the stats on the baton? cause u didn't listen or check in the kwolege database . every normal player would think that their is something wrong when min is more then max . not ?





Almost everyone i know (if seeing it the first time) just think: yet another bugged item, hope it works tho.. csr's sure as hell wont fix it


that IS the normal response to item replacements etc








No thats the response of somebody who is tired of the game and should quit , but they will fix bones they fixed all mine within 24 hours






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CovenMaximus
Thu Sep 23, 2004 6:55 am
#11

My Ackley has a min that is close to the maximum, bout 8 points off. Would that make it illegal??? Also I have a janta knife with -1 uses on the poison, so it's unlimited, does that mean it's illegal???


Thanks for explaining the mitigation thing to us. People always wonder why even with a PSG and stun armor on I can rock there world lol. So am I to assume taht because the min is lower then the max that I am fine or what is the line where a baton becomes illegal?



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OditeFosore
Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:10 am
#12




CovenMaximus wrote:

My Ackley has a min that is close to the maximum, bout 8 points off. Would that make it illegal??? Also I have a janta knife with -1 uses on the poison, so it's unlimited, does that mean it's illegal???


Thanks for explaining the mitigation thing to us. People always wonder why even with a PSG and stun armor on I can rock there world lol. So am I to assume taht because the min is lower then the max that I am fine or what is the line where a baton becomes illegal?



The acklay baton you have is illegal - the damage range gives it away. I wouldn't worry about it too much - CSR's only confiscate them if you are reported by other PC's and probably wouldn't take the time to worry about you since technically your min is still less than your max.The way crafting works, you can tell what the stats of the bones were by the final damage of the baton. The base damage on a standard non-acklay stun baton is something like 70 - 130 damage. Add in tissues that are even 100/100 and you end up with 170 - 230 max damage, which is still a larger min/max damage difference. Add in normal tissues that are min<max and you have an even greater difference in min and max damage. The only way to make the damage range less like yours is to use bones where the min>max such as 100/50 so that the end results would be 170-180 damage. The knife, bah, that's handy but not illegal.



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FURY_Chaser
Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:26 am
#13

hey where did my sticky go


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