Fencer Archive
Thread: I'm bothered by the social view of fencer.
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Homper
Sat Aug 21, 2004 1:06 pm
#1
Ok,
This has been a chip on my shoulder for a while. I'm not sure how to address it exactly, so I guess I'll just say it... maybe I'm being to sensitive, or just plain vain... who knows.. but here goes.
My character is a master Fencer, and has been ever sense I opened up my 3rd holo. I really liked the profession, and kept it as I continued to grind. Once I get buffed, I can pretty much fight without armor once I take in a synthestake, some brandy and aircake (although I'm not sure if the aircake really helps much). anyways, with my weapons, I'm pretty darn good when it comes to PvP. I keep track of my record in my profile, and right now I stand at 32 Wins to10 losses.
I can defeat the core ranged professions with relative ease. (Burst run, warcry2 and stun baton makes short work of kiters. I still think its funny that most ranged profession players still kite, since they get such a big penalty when shooting on the move.)
I still have trouble with bounty hunters, as there pistol shots seem to really be powerful. If I can get in close though... its a good fight. 2-2 with them so far)
Against a pure TKM, I've won 3 out of3 times, but a TKM mixed with anyting else, mainly CM, I simply don't win. (3 losses)
I do very well against other fencers and especially Pikeman, but a 2HD swordsman once had the upper hand for a while in the fight with those sate effects. Against 2HD Swordsman, I'm 1-1, so I don't have enough feedback against them to really make a call yet.
Commandos, as apposed to BH are no match. Even with those flame throwers, I have always had the upper hand. Those poor guys just don't hit often enough to be good in PvP.
so that brings me to my question.... why do we fencers not hold up well in PvE? I'm god against NPCs, especially stormtroopers, darktroopers, nightsisters and rancors..... but against like ATSTs, all the stuff in the DWB and Geo Caves.. I just don't do well.. and forget about the Corvette. I'm usually rhe first one to die, while Pikeman, Commandos and Rifleman eat east those things for breakfast.
I guess I'm bothered... REALY bothered when I see adds for being organizing a corvette or DWB raid on the forums. They list professions they want to take, and fencer is just never on the list....
I think that kinda really stinks, and they should diversify the opponents in those things, so that fencers can have a use in there... make something that fencers can woop on, but would give TKM/CMs, Pikeman and Rifleman a hard time. Pikeman seem to be like the uber class for the corvette. There should be a counter to that...
oh well just my rant, please post your feedback.
CoriStonerie
Sat Aug 21, 2004 1:58 pm
#2
I've been a master fencer for a while, and the reson you're not doing well against the high end PvE is pretty simple...we only have one AP weapon, and it, truthfully, is a crappy weapon anyway. For most stuff i still use my fencer skills, but against anything with medium armor and/or high ken resists, I go with two-handed swords.
If we ever get a medium AP weapon that dosen't do ken damage, i may well drop the swordsman completely...it's fun, but I love being a dodgin' fool!
Homper
Sat Aug 21, 2004 2:06 pm
#3
hmmm... you're exactly right... hopefully the'll give us like some kind of epee, katana or rapier. that would just rock.
Brainplay
Sun Aug 22, 2004 4:21 am
#5
Homper wrote:
Ok,
so that brings me to my question.... why do we fencers not hold up well in PvE? I'm god against NPCs, especially stormtroopers, darktroopers, nightsisters and rancors..... but against like ATSTs, all the stuff in the DWB and Geo Caves.. I just don't do well.. and forget about the Corvette. I'm usually rhe first one to die, while Pikeman, Commandos and Rifleman eat east those things for breakfast.
I can sum it up for you. ARMOR
Stun batons bypasses standard non-stun layeredarmor and without armor 3k HAM goes down fast when getting hit with a 300-1k damage special per second.
Next time try fighting someone who's wearing a full stun layered composite suit. Heck if they can get Tantel stun layered try that! Our weapons are WEAK vs. anything with an AP1 rating since all we have to use is our vibroblade which only averages 140 damage. Now you're thinking "thats the same for TK's VK's". Wrong! We dont get the 205+ unarmed damage bonus that they do and that makes a HUGE difference. Our mainstay the gaffi stick is AP0, our stun baton is AP0, our VB is gimp but at least its AP1.
Maybe when they nerf armor things will go better for us fencers but until that happens we can only dream of vibrocutlasses with high damage and AP1.
paleomacus
Sun Aug 22, 2004 5:19 am
#6
OT but, I think a vibro whip/flail or a stun whip/flail would be cool.
_Vicious_
Sun Aug 22, 2004 7:25 am
#7
paleomacus wrote:
OT but, I think a vibro whip/flail or a stun whip/flail would be cool.
erm we are fencers not lion tamers..............................
Brainplay
Tue Aug 24, 2004 4:39 am
#8
paleomacus wrote:
OT but, I think a vibro whip/flail or a stun whip/flail would be cool.
Black leather hawtpants and black leather imperial command hats would go good with this. Hmmm...
Rizzaka
Tue Aug 24, 2004 2:14 pm
#9
I agree with what you say and it has been brought up several times. Infact with some of the higher level dungeons that are in game now i feel that the fencer is over looked in those areas. There is no new content for the fencer but thats an issue beaten to death, the fact is that Fencer in its current state is a highly defensive proffession. I have seen fencer friends of mine go toe to toe with a super battle droid in the DWB acting asthe tank while the group killed it, after that one was down he took on another. I feel your pain and though we do need to be more effective in what is currently the high end pve situations we already are in a way, just not in the way most people want to play as.
I've seen a few MMO's, not as many as most i'm sure, but every time there is a class or profession designated as a tank no one likes the thought of being that guy. What fun is it in not doing damage and just soaking it up for everyone else? makes you feel like you could almost afk the role.
The correspondant sumit is comming up this weekend and i'm sure minerunner will do a great job representing our views there. Maybe chaser can get confrinced in on a call too so he can shout out some pain that we have. Or just find the Commando Correspondant and the two of them will pillage the whole place for leaving us seemingly ignored for so long? =D
Homper
Wed Aug 25, 2004 5:32 pm
#10
hmmm.. never thought of being a tank thats sort of an interesting way to look at it.
P__Day
Thu Aug 26, 2004 4:00 am
#11
its not like were asking for an insane weapon, my idea of a new weapon would be in the acklay baton range 200 - 300 or so AP1 or AP2. with the devs pushing out all high end content with medium or heavy armor and 50+ resists vs stun and kinetic both TKA and Fencer are pretty much useless
Actairr
Thu Aug 26, 2004 10:27 am
#12
Ok here comes what you will all call a flame, but it is just the truth.
On every single prof forum there is this post, where some guy says he cant do things other people can do and its not fare. Well if you want to be uber at pve go swordsman. fencer is a great pvp class, swordsman is not. It is simple, people need to decide what they want to be and get the class to do it with. I am master swordsman/master pistoleer/and 2 tiersin fencer. I cant pvp, so i dont. I was a bh/pistoleer and pretty good at pvp but i could not pve real well. Bottom line is if you are a dancer you cant make brandy, sorry for being harsh. They set up proffesions that can do different things. Fencers and swordsman are different sorry, like tk and pikeman are and carbs and rifles. If there is an uber class it is rifle (great at pvp and with ap3 great at pve) you want to be good at both go rifleman. If there is a gimp prof it is not Fencer. Either pistols/carbs/or pikeman. Yes pikeman do good in DwB, everythig is vuln to elec there. Not made that way for them, made that way for BH. Look at the other common weakness in the DwB, acid, bh pistol=acid. Sorry if this ruins your day, but someone need to tell the truth.
On every single prof forum there is this post, where some guy says he cant do things other people can do and its not fare. Well if you want to be uber at pve go swordsman. fencer is a great pvp class, swordsman is not. It is simple, people need to decide what they want to be and get the class to do it with. I am master swordsman/master pistoleer/and 2 tiersin fencer. I cant pvp, so i dont. I was a bh/pistoleer and pretty good at pvp but i could not pve real well. Bottom line is if you are a dancer you cant make brandy, sorry for being harsh. They set up proffesions that can do different things. Fencers and swordsman are different sorry, like tk and pikeman are and carbs and rifles. If there is an uber class it is rifle (great at pvp and with ap3 great at pve) you want to be good at both go rifleman. If there is a gimp prof it is not Fencer. Either pistols/carbs/or pikeman. Yes pikeman do good in DwB, everythig is vuln to elec there. Not made that way for them, made that way for BH. Look at the other common weakness in the DwB, acid, bh pistol=acid. Sorry if this ruins your day, but someone need to tell the truth.
P__Day
Thu Aug 26, 2004 11:00 am
#13
Actairr wrote:
Ok here comes what you will all call a flame, but it is just the truth.
On every single prof forum there is this post, where some guy says he cant do things other people can do and its not fare. Well if you want to be uber at pve go swordsman. fencer is a great pvp class, swordsman is not. It is simple, people need to decide what they want to be and get the class to do it with. I am master swordsman/master pistoleer/and 2 tiersin fencer. I cant pvp, so i dont. I was a bh/pistoleer and pretty good at pvp but i could not pve real well. Bottom line is if you are a dancer you cant make brandy, sorry for being harsh. They set up proffesions that can do different things. Fencers and swordsman are different sorry, like tk and pikeman are and carbs and rifles. If there is an uber class it is rifle (great at pvp and with ap3 great at pve) you want to be good at both go rifleman. If there is a gimp prof it is not Fencer. Either pistols/carbs/or pikeman. Yes pikeman do good in DwB, everythig is vuln to elec there. Not made that way for them, made that way for BH. Look at the other common weakness in the DwB, acid, bh pistol=acid. Sorry if this ruins your day, but someone need to tell the truth.
No you dont have to choose whether to be good at PvE or PvP, go rifleman, DWB : Disruptor Rifle AP2 Acid. T21 AP3 energy. For PvP Jawa Ion Rifle AP1 stun damage. PvP nothing can really compete with a speed capped rifleman, PvE nothing can compete with a speed capped rifleman.
Rifleman is the only really working prof, that can be used both ways. Il even bet you 100k that a speed capped rifleman with a good disruptor will take down a SBD faster than a m.bh with a LLC
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