Entertainer Archive
Thread: I Feel sorry for you.....
cydonia wrote:
i remembered DUH!! i am a SL (squad leader) with leadership 4!!!!!!!! i have the ability BOOST MORAL!!!! lets try it out!!!!!!!!!!
first time i did it it healed 600 mind wounds on the guy it gave me about 100 wounds in every catigory. since we had a few medics in the group we just healed everyones action and health wounds and did boost moral again now i had 25 mind wounds and the guy that was diseased had 50 again we healed action and health and did it again!! now we are wound free.
a few mins later the master musician arrived with no wounds to heal (ie no job to do)
I dont know what you all think about this but i think it makes your profession almost completely worthless. with a few more SL arround you all will be nothing but BF healers
i think this ability cuts too deeply into other professions and should be changed. the SL's cant get a response on anything about their profession so i thought maybe if i post here you will all help.
o by the way.... they made some proposed changed to the SL......... did you know they are planing to add the SL ability "smoke um if you got um" which would allow the mind bar to heal faster??? doesnt this seem like something an entertainer should do??
Wow, I did not know this.
This does not bother me.
You say that this requires Leadership 4 in an advanced profession? That's a nice perk to reflect your hard work. I do not begrudge you that. You have a feature that overlaps with an Entertainer. I can live with that. In short, you have to go up three trees of novice skills (I believe) plus one tree of an advanced skill in order to perform one task that Entertainers can do. I consider that fair.
Also, how many SLs are there? I doubt they will run Entertainers out of business. We also still have Fatigue healing. I'm sure that a SL will not drive business away, and I'm sure that a SL will tell his troops to fall in at the cantina for some R&R. *grin*
Does this remove the need for Entertainers to be hired out to perform in camps? I'd say probably so. But then, if an Entertainer wants to be a combat character, he should have gone for a combat profession...say, oh, Squad Leader.
As for Mind damage being healed....well, there are differing opinions on that. I believe it makes more sense for a SL than an Entertainer, but I can see either way. I'd rather see a compromise: A SL can heal Mind damage on someone who is engaged in battle. An Entertainer can heal Mind damage in other states. Basically, it's like comparing Patton to Bob Hope. General Patton wouldn't be able to relax his troops in the barracks, and Bob Hope wouldn't motivate troops as they're under fire.
I'm not too concerned. It sounds like SLs got the shaft, and I think this is a nice perk for them. You have to gain a buttload of xp to get Leadership 4. Seems reasonable.
But thank you for your concern. *grin*
Kuildeous wrote:
Also, how many SLs are there?
Currently, not many. In the future, a lot more. I'm almost tempted to get it myself 
Some cool additions being made to that profession.
BTW, "Smoke em if ya got em" is a cool skill name 
I do wish only entertainers could heal mind wounds, but I suppose that's a bit selfish.
Well, i have allways liked the entertainer profession, as a person it is very useful to have a entertainer in the group when going out to remote locations...... NOT ANYMORE
The othernight me and some of my guild mates were going out to endor to run some missions. Now, on endor (especially late at night) there are NO entertainers arround so if you get mind wounds you basicly have to go off planet. Anyway, the size of our group was just right(any less and things would be really hard, and anymore and we would be loosing xp) then one of the more powerful guys in the group got diseased in the mind. within seconds his mind was reduced to nothing. this really screwed up our plans so we had 2 choices
1. send him back into town (5-10mins) wait for shuttle (0-10min) get healed (few mins) get shuttle back (0-10mins) walk back out (5-10mins)
2. have an entertainer come out
well #1 didnt look like a good idea so i asked my roomate (master musician) to come out to heal him i paid him 20k (he is poor i am rich i overpaid but helped him out) and his eta was 14 mins
BUT THEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i remembered DUH!! i am a SL (squad leader) with leadership 4!!!!!!!! i have the ability BOOST MORAL!!!! lets try it out!!!!!!!!!!
first time i did it it healed 600 mind wounds on the guy it gave me about 100 wounds in every catigory. since we had a few medics in the group we just healed everyones action and health wounds and did boost moral again now i had 25 mind wounds and the guy that was diseased had 50 again we healed action and health and did it again!! now we are wound free.
a few mins later the master musician arrived with no wounds to heal (ie no job to do)
I dont know what you all think about this but i think it makes your profession almost completely worthless. with a few more SL arround you all will be nothing but BF healers
i think this ability cuts too deeply into other professions and should be changed. the SL's cant get a response on anything about their profession so i thought maybe if i post here you will all help.
o by the way.... they made some proposed changed to the SL......... did you know they are planing to add the SL ability "smoke um if you got um" which would allow the mind bar to heal faster??? doesnt this seem like something an entertainer should do??
Zal'hanan MasterRifleman/ (3,0,4,4) SL (bloodfin)
I happen to be the master musician in the above post. Between cloning and now this... I really find little reason to play my musician anymore apart from guild functions. We aren't needed, and aren't tipped. Why should I pay 15 bucks a month for the same thing I could get out of chat.yahoo.com for free? Do you even know why this should be an issue?
And you say you don't care? SL is elite? W-T-F is my musician then? MASTER MUSICIAN! That's ELITE! And I didn't AFK macro it up like all the chumps you find now. Add to that the fact that /denyservice only encourages AFKers, cause now people who are jerks have someone to turn to......
Jeez? Do you belong on the Entertainer board?
And he wasn't saying SL's are getting the shaft... he was trying to say that they are getting things that don't at all belong in their tree... he is saying entertainers are getting the shaft. We have a makeshift buff that's not nearly as big as a doctors, doesn't last as long, and isn't even a kill we can dole out and charge for. I mean... hey! Don't try to read between the lines when you don't have to.
Oh well, I'm gonna post links in the dancer/musician boards and see if more people have any input on this.
Mathurin Adano -- Master Musician -- Bloodfin
Verminaard -- 3-4-4-2 Commando -- Kettemoor
oh and by the way, my statement about /giveservice ... I'd probably allow everyone as soon as they walked in the door and said hi to me with no request or requirement for payment, but it would just make people realize that I *could* say no... and that people who were jerks and people who are AFK would not get along so well together.... I just feel horribly neglected now that I'm a GREAT AND WONDERFUL MASTER and it's gotten me absolutely nothing. My first few weeks after release as a novice entertainer and low novice musician were far more enjoyable.... and I actually made enough money to get new clothes and even a gun or to that I could play around with when the cantina got boring... now I get nothin.
Just didn't want to get flamed for that....
We aren't needed, and aren't tipped.
Well, we are still needed for BF. And BF only heals in the cantina. You are right, we aren't needed in the field. We never were. And I don't mind. I never played an entertainer to head out and aid fighters. We are no bards, we're entertainers.
If the same job can be done by a combination oftwo elite professions ( a Squad Leader and a Doctor ), fine. I'm not unique, if others team up it's the same result.
And you say you don't care? SL is elite? W-T-F is my musician then? MASTER MUSICIAN! That's ELITE! And I didn't AFK macro it up like all the chumps you find now. Add to that the fact that /denyservice only encourages AFKers, cause now people who are jerks have someone to turn to......
Yep, Musician is an elite profession. When did you start healing Mind Wounds? All the way back at Novice Entertainer. A SL at Leadership 4 has the same ability as a Novice. No, I'd say only ONE of the abilities as a Novice.
Don't think I'm dissing Musician. But if you're concerned about how "easy" it is for an advanced Squad Leader to heal Mind Wounds, then you should probably focus on encouraging people to get rid of Novice Entertainer if they only got it for that very reason.
Jeez? Do you belong on the Entertainer board?
Ah, thank you. My day isn't complete without at least one stupid question aimed at me. Now I can go back to bed.
And he wasn't saying SL's are getting the shaft.
Nobody said SLs are getting the shaft. But they have received the shaft before. So this is a nice perk for them.
So, let me get this straight. In order for a SL to heal Mind Wounds he must do the following:
- Pursue the SL path (14 skill points for Survival, 14 points in Exploration, 14 skill points for Ranged Support, 14 skill points in Leadership, plus 36 points for the Novice skills).
- Suffer wounds in return.
- Tend to those wounds.
An Entertainer needs to do the following:
- Pursue the Entertainer path (15 skill points for Novice, which is all you need).
- Boogie for a few minutes.
To boot, Entertainers can heal Battle Fatigue.
If Squad Leaders suddenly decide to invade cantinas and run the Entertainers out of business, I'd be interested in watching that. However, it looks to me like Squad Leaders are taking care of the troops in the field while we take care of the troops at home. Where's the problem?
Do you want to be more useful in the field? Pick up a gun or a med kit. But guess what; you're not useless in the field anyway. Will a SL want to increase the downtime by taxing the medics as well? He'd much rather have an Entertainer.
Something else that occurred to me. I get the impression from the original post that the Mind healing was targeted. Can a SL heal more than one person in one sweep? If not, then score one for the Entertainer, who can heal everyone in one go.
Actually, let's not score one for the Entertainer. I don't want to turn this into an Us vs. Them mentality. A little overlap can be a good thing. If we kept everything to just one profession, then no one would be allowed a pet because that belongs only to the Creature Handler (actual arguments on the CH board).
So, in short, if a Squad Leader is likely to:
- Heal Mind Wounds at no cost to himself
- Buff mental attributes
- Heal Battle Fatigue
- Help more than one person
- Populate the towns with at least one member
Then I would be concerned about the usefulness of Entertainers. Right now, AFKers are threatening the usefulness of Entertainers more than SLs.
Well, I'm a bit surprised to learn that Squad Leaders can heal mind wounds, and I'm notsure I'm thrilled about it,but I don't think that spells the end for Musicians or Dancers. Once you make Master Musician, most of your musical time is spent doing gigs for pure entertainment value, not healing mind wounds. At least most of mine is. On the few occasions when I stop by a publiccantina, I still have plenty of customers. SL's are hard to find, and they apparentlyincur wounds when they heal; musicians are easy to find, and it costs us nothing to heal.
What's more, I don't see my principal "job" as healing someone's mind wounds in a hunting group. When I join a hunting group, my primary responsibility is to wield my carbine. I don't know any entertainer who is willing to run around after a hunting group all night just to play between battles. I'm certainly not. Yes, I heal mind wounds between battles -- and I buff Focus/Willpower. The buff is of too short a duration, but it's still an awful nice buff, and a lot of players don't know about it. (Dancers buff Mind directly.) And of course I heal BF in the cantina at the end of the hunt.
I do think SL's and entertainers should share mind-healing duties, if mind heals are implemented. For SLs I'd like to see a group mind-heal, maybe once every1-2 minutes; for skilled entertainers, individual mind heals, perhaps on a more frequent basis.
- Ricky Starwalker, Master Musician, Master Entertainer, Master Carbineer, Chilastra
Actually, a good measure would be Cydonia and other Squad Leaders with Leadership 4.
Cydonia, obviously you chose to use your own methods instead of waiting 10-20 minutes for a musician to come out there. That's very reasonable.
However...
Would you have chosen to use that ability instead of letting a Master Musician perform? If a Master Musician was along, would you have said, "No, don't play for us. I have it covered." Aside from the natural curiosity of, "Hey, what does this do?" of course.
If so, then I can agree that Entertainers are useless in hunting groups when Squad Leaders are present. I'm not sure why that's a bad thing, but I can agree with that.
But the Entertainer still rules at home.
Ok, to add to this, he and his buddy sat in bestine on Bloodfin yesterday, where commandos and BHs were burning people galore, and causing tons of health wounds, and all over wounds.. They would shout heal all wounds almost instantly! and have people meet them in the med center, then do this ability. Plus they would have probots/pets out. They made almost 30k in about 10-15 minutes charging for it.
And to clarify, here is how it works.... you make a group.... When the squad leader does the boost moral command, it takes the Black in every bar, and evens it across every bar.... so if there were two people and one had 600 mind wounds, there's 6 bars there for two people, two red, two green, two blue.... Thus each bar would get 100 wounds. Of course with a larger group, with pets and bots... and he said there was something screwy with having the pets and bots and they would get basically all the wounds gone in one sweep... but anyways, it makes the wounds negligible immediately. Someone mind diseases someone and gives them a full black blue bar? No problem, squad leader there to immediately fix it...
I don't see how that doesn't bother you... People will play on with tons of BF if on a planet like endor and the ticket home is very expensive... but if they have a 1/2 black mind bar, they'll stop and go find an entertainer... and contrary to your opinion, every group I've been in with over 6 people on a major hunting planet (and I have a near master commando on Kettemoor, so I'm in those a lot) seems to have a squad leader... so they really aren't that rare...
I always though group aiming, defense, and mobility bonuses, not to mention the power to better organize a group was what squad leader was all about... not to edge in on healing proffessions. This little skill also bumps off doctors and medics as well...
Well anyways.. my two cents... I just don't see how you people can't care. I didn't become an entertainer to be seen as the person who pays 15 bucks a month for a chat room with an action figure. I became an entertainer to be someone people depend on and respect for being there when they need them. Guess I should have just been a doctor...
I have a few more things to add here.....
1. What mathurin said was right i can sit in a town with a pet and INSTA-heal ALL wounds and with a pet out the wounds dont go into ANY POOL ( this is a bug i think but even when they fix this i can still do pretty good INSTA-heals also i have had SEVERAL people come to me asking if this works on an AT-ST so if they fix the pet bug i WILL be able to heal AT-ST's pools INCLUDING MIND there is a huge market out there for this.)
2. i keep hearing people say "hey at least we are the only ones that can heal BF" Umm.... do you know what BF does???? look it up in the holocron BF ONLY effects the rate at which you heal. BUT MY HEALS ARE INSTANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so it doesnt matter!!!!!!!!!!!! you could have 20000000000000000000000000000000000000000 BF and it will still be an INSTANT HEAL
3. i keep hearing stuff like "SL is an elite professon and can do the same thing as novice" what can an entertainer do...... Heal mind wounds, heal BF, and give mind buffs that dont compair to a doctors buffs. What can SL do???? TWO OF YOUR MAJOR THINGS (heal mind wounds and make no need for BF) all in ONE box of an elite profession.... and also ( when alll SL abilities are working) give ranged defense, melee defence, clear stats like dizzy stunned, give +60 terrain neg, /retreat ability , a volley fire ability, a group aim ability.... AND all of the new content they are planing on adding!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thats just a few more things then you guys get......
i thinkyour profession has alot more to add then you guys are geting......
Zal'hanan MasterRifleman / (3,0,4,4) SL
/softclap zal'hanan
^^^now does anyone realize why we feel it's an issue? Bueller? Bueller?Anyone?
If you paid 15 bucks for a chat room with repeating 1 minute songs, well then don't care about it I guess, but if you do, I'd like to see a little support at least from the community...
Mathurin Adano -- MM -- Bloodfin