Entertainer Archive

There are many good ideas out there and many have been implemented by other games years before this one was planned out. It's not a lack of ideas, but a lack of action by the devs. The devs ( through Thunderheart ) have stated that as they cannot catch all possible unattended gameplay violators, they'd rather allow it for all. By the same reasoning you could allow murder as obviously you will never catch all killers, but logic doesn't seem to be the strong point of this statement anyway.

bad analogy. AFK entertainers dont hurt anyone. Killers obviously do. And considering it's in the holocron gameplay FAQ's and in the knowledge base that they dont care if someone AFK macros, when was it a "violation" for "unattended gameplay" ?

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Ijuakos wrote:
bad analogy. AFK entertainers dont hurt anyone. Killers obviously do. And considering it's in the holocron gameplay FAQ's and in the knowledge base that they dont care if someone AFK macros, when was it a "violation" for "unattended gameplay" ?

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It is in about every other MMORPG there is. SWG just gave up rather than trying to write code that stopped it.

I think that's all that needs to be done. Macros are useful, but looping macros are too far, IMHO.

Anyway, AFK entertainers do hurt people. Namely, ATK entertainers. A lot of things could be solved by giving more respect to entertainers.

AFKers don't hurt anyone. They help those that need mind healing when there isn't anybody else around to provide it.

The AFKers drive out the ATKers. Further, helping someone else takes away the ability for the ATKers to help, thus proving that AFKers do, in fact, hurt ATKers.

Further, the argument isn't even valid because being useful to one person does not, in any way shape or form, mean they arn't hurting someone else.

To continue your argument and apply it elsewhere, giving Imperials the ability to bombard Rebel HQs from space and kill everyone there from absolute safety doesn't hurt anyone because it helps the Imperials. Obviously your 'logic' doesn't track.

NEXT!

Ah, but I can say they hurt me, and hurt you. Obviously if you were the only medic you would have far better buisness than you do. Now do I have a right to that healing XP? No. Would I get it if the AFKer wasn't there? Yes. Therefor they are hurting me. The logic works.

Now as for the validity of AFKing, that is debatable. The devs have decided to look the other way. However, would you give rights to an NPC over a PC? Of course not. And what is an AFK heal-bot other than an NPC run on a client rather than the server? Make no mistake, until SWG macroing was not condoned by any MMO. In many it was bannable. You, and the devs, are trying to defend the undefendable.

Let's take this somewhere else. Jason, what do you play? Combat of some kind? Imagine if every creature, NPC, lair, and theme park was constantly eliminated by AFKers using a cycle target macro. All of them. Maybe a square kilometer in the most remote place, and even then they tended to invade half the time. Now eliminate their ability to die, so you have no way of removing them. I'd call that a problem. Guess what? That's what has happened to the entertainers.

As for 'hot spots' you see it far more in the cold spots. A hot spot there is suitable traffic for multiple entertainers. In a cold one, one afker can monopolize everything.

If you have no right to something how can it hurt you if it's given to somebody else? That's like me being hurt because I didn't win the lottery and somebody else did. I guess it just hurts your feelings when you don't get your way. So I guess in that sense yeah, all you entertainers have your feelings hurt because AFKers are playing in a way you don't like. Boo hoo.

But you're ignoring the degree of the problem. Which is the entire point.

As for the devs, count how many things they say and how many times they renage their decisions. Authority is the weakest argument in a debate, Jason.

Oh, and to clarify, not hurt feelings. Hurt buisness. Rampant competition dilutes the market strength of the individual, devaluing any work put into the service. That's harmful. If you can't figure that out, you need to take more buisness courses or simply grow up. That's how the world works.

The cincher is that, in the world, one can't macro work. There is no autopilot. Real effort, real rewards. In the game, virtual effort yields virtual rewards. AFKers put in NO effort. Why are THEY entitled to anything more than NO rewards?

This isn't communism. You have no right to any customers or to be subsidized by the system because you can't compete. If somebody else can provide services better and cheaper than you can and they get the customers good for them. That's how capitalism works.

Actually you can macro real world work. Ask Henry Ford, the guywho revolutionized the assembly line.

Want the ultimate proof of real world rewards for no effort look at Bill Gates. He's made himself the richest person on the planet off of other people's work.

These boards are messed.

Henery Ford: made a way to maximize the output of effort. Note that effort is not removed from the equation as AFK macros do. Translation: macros are a tool to allow the player to do game mechanics while focusing on something else to enhance the experience. With entertaining, this involves chatting, switching music to something a customer would like to hear, and all those other nuances that make a live performance better than an MP3. I suspect you'd rather have the MP3 that can be listened to any time, any where, with reliability, rather than interact with the people behind the music. Insert pity here.

Bill Gates: this is harder to explain. Gates managed, manipulated, and conned his way into getting enough programmers to build a cheap, somewhat reliable OS and present it to IBM or whoever he got money from. That's still effort. It's not labor, it's not an achiever style, it's socilizing work. Networking. Who you know rather than what you know. That is, in fact, effort. But I doubt it is an effort you can understand. Insert more pity here.