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Thread: The Path To Jedi For Entertainers

Banthabutcher
Sun Aug 15, 2004 5:54 pm
#1



Ok, I have been to TC2 and can answer this question:


So far, Entertainers cannot actually do the quests. However, the quests do not actually give you skills. Rather, they unlock the ability to actually train in certain tiers within the Forse Sensitive skill trees.


However, we can trade in our Musician, Dancing,and Entertainer Healing XP for FS Senses XP at a 20:1 XP conversion ratio (20 Musician XP for 1 FS XP). Image Designing XP is at a 15:1 ratio.


This allows us to get XP for the following tiers:



  • Healing
  • Surveying
  • Persuation
  • Luck

In addition, the only types of XP that can be traded in for FS Senses XP are:



  • Creature Handling XP
  • Image Designer XP
  • Musician XP
  • Dancing XP
  • Entertainer Healing XP
  • Scout XP
  • Survival XP
  • Medical XP
  • Surveying XP
  • Merchant XP

  • Slicing XP

  • DNA Sampling XP

So, baring the unlocking quests, it's possible for usEntertainers to get 2/3 of the boxes needed for Jedi (16 out of the 24 needed).


Soit takes 1,225,000 XP to climb to Box 4 in one tier (not counting the Novice boxes, which take another 50k XP). That's24,500,000 Musician/Ent Healing XP to convert over. It takes combat classes36,750,000 XP (that's36 million) to climb to Box 4 in one of their Tiers. And we get to have music while we grind


As for the quests, you're going to have to pick up some other skills on the side to do them. Namely Medic and Artisan to unlock the Senses tree and Artisan to unlock the crafting tree OR a combat class to unlock the Reflexes/Combat trees since you need another 2 tiers outside "our" tree. If you were lucky enough to master a Holo, you get one free "Unlock" for each Holo you mastered if you've also mastered a certain number of other professions. This should allow you to skip the unlock quest, but you still need to grind the XP.


And amazingly, we DO get FS skills. Each box in the Healing Tier adds +5 to Wound Healing (Music) and Wound Healing (Dancing). Unfortunately, Image Designers get the shaft. It would've been nice to see a skill that lowered the timer in theID window.While it's not that great, it's something.


NOTICE: The XP conversion ratios are subject to change before this hits Live.

Message Edited by Banthabutcher on 08-16-2004 11:05 AM



Kodo' Bonodawieedo
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bawler14
Sun Aug 15, 2004 8:46 pm
#2
So does this mean I finally get a use for my 900,000 surplus Musician exp?





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Banthabutcher
Sun Aug 15, 2004 9:20 pm
#3
Yup!


And you get to regind it all...66 times...



Kodo' Bonodawieedo
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DarkY0da
Sun Aug 15, 2004 11:03 pm
#4
wow... so they did make it worse aka more grind... I wonder how many people are going to afk music/dance now to try and get it done before they fix macros... woot we just got screwed hard core.



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kirah_ashlin
Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:21 am
#5

I had hoped for Force Sensitivity abilities at one time, but so far I have yet to see a reason for me to want to go for Jedi in any level . . . I guess the devs don't see Jedi as being social.
Chibi-Tux
Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:48 am
#6
My only problem with Entertainers and Force XP is how high their rates are. They are almost as high as a combat profession, and combat professions can gain xp much much faster than we can. Its going to be a LONG grind to Jedi for the Entertainers...



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Groovymarlin
Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:16 am
#7




Banthabutcher wrote:

I don't expect there to be a massive influx of grinders because of this, mainly because there are many other types to get that'd be more appealing, such as Medical or Scout XP.



I sure hope you're right, but I have doubts. I mean think about it - what other professions can you leave macroing all day long while you're at work or school to continue gaining xp?Experience that can then be turned in for this FS credit? Sheesh....the minute I read that I thought "OMG here come the seas of zombies again."


NIce job, SOE. Way to shoot us all in the foot.



La'lepa Ofo

Master Dancer :: Master Swordswoman :: Force Sensitive
AFKing is not entertaining - support real entertainers

Warryyr
Mon Aug 16, 2004 8:06 am
#8




Groovymarlin wrote:




Banthabutcher wrote:

I don't expect there to be a massive influx of grinders because of this, mainly because there are many other types to get that'd be more appealing, such as Medical or Scout XP.



I sure hope you're right, but I have doubts. I mean think about it - what other professions can you leave macroing all day long while you're at work or school to continue gaining xp?Experience that can then be turned in for this FS credit? Sheesh....the minute I read that I thought "OMG here come the seas of zombies again."


NIce job, SOE. Way to shoot us all in the foot.






Hologrind, meet FSgrind.


It's going to be another looooong year in the cantinas, I suspect. We've been had, folks.


I'm severely disappointed that I got the shaft in this process. Looks like they will further a damaging practice to our professions by replacing one type of grinding madness with another. What a joke. Truly sad.



DarkY0da
Mon Aug 16, 2004 10:06 am
#9
Trading in 1 xp to get 20 fsxp... and you can gain healing xp and music xp while afk 23/7 running a macro. Who isn't going to do that ? All the more people are going to do it to try and get it in before the macro fix hits. The cantinas had just started to improve some... the number of hologrinders was going down. NOW we get them all back again. And it will likely be months before the macro fix happens. I don't think I can put up with another 2 months of afk zombies and their spam. I now have no hope that pub 10 will end the grinding afk that we had really put or last shreds of hope into. Anyone with free unlocks are going to use them on stuff they can't afk the xp for. this just really sucks.



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I support the NDE. (New Drygo Experience)
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Banthabutcher
Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:07 am
#10


Ok, somewhat good news:


We DO get skill mods from the Healing Tier. Each box adds +5 to Wound Healing in Music and Dancing.


Of course, ID's get the shaft again.


And on the influx of AFKers, think this:


It's only worth to grind the XP if you're already Master. You're lucky to get500 XP an hour at novice. I don't think as many people will decide to "Hologrind" dancer/musician again, especially since it'd be like mastering the profession 30 times.


Grinders will come, but when faced with being in a cantina for weeks on end doing something they hate or killing a bunch of stuff and getting loot in the process, a majority will choose the latter.


Of course, I'm just being an optimist.

Message Edited by Banthabutcher on 08-16-2004 01:20 PM



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Tiaga
Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:39 am
#11
Thank you for the report Kodo'! You beat me to it.

The good news is many of the correspondents recognzed that it's just trading in one form of grinding for another, and are opposed to that, suggesting making it pure quest based. There is also a hefty opposition to the fact that getting in in the first place requires combat. That probably won't be as bad as some people expect (You get visited by the old man, you call in some friends to deal with the coming fight) but I'd rather see some non-combative way to get in.

The quests entertainers can do may be in different phase. As I understand it, the village has 3 "phases" it goes through, switching every 3 weeks. Each phase has a different set of quests. We should see things unfold as they move into testing different phases. Right now it's just phase 1.



Inside my heart is breaking, my make-up may be flaking
But my smile still stays on
My soul is painted like the wings of butterflies
Fairytales of yesterday will grow but never die
I can fly - my friends
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Banthabutcher
Mon Aug 16, 2004 12:33 pm
#12
I don't expect there to be a massive influx of grinders because of this, mainly because there are many other types to get that'd be more appealing, such as Medical or Scout XP.


Personally I see it as a reward for Master Entertainers/Musicians/Dancers/ID'ers. We perform after we've reached Master, and this won't affect that. Just now we get a perk for continuing to play.


That and be glad we weren't completely left out



Kodo' Bonodawieedo
Master Musician and First Class Soldier!
"Every time someone gives a post one star GarVa kills a kitten."
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Banthabutcher
Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:25 pm
#13
Unfortunately Tiaga, I've visited the Village during each phase (they sped it up on TC2) and never saw an entertainer quest


So far the only quests are:



  • Combat

  • Crafting

  • Medic Healing

  • Surveying

And yeah, to get that tier with our Wound Healing in it you need to pick up Novice Medic...unless there's some way to heal wounds in the village for us.


Of course, there are many, many things wrong with the Village on TC2...maybe they might add an Entertainer quest at the very end. Optimism




Kodo' Bonodawieedo
Master Musician and First Class Soldier!
"Every time someone gives a post one star GarVa kills a kitten."
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