Entertainer Archive
Thread: A message to hologrinders
There are two kinds of xp you will need. The first is dance or musician xp (Depending on the skill you are going for) the second is entertainer healing xp.
First I will cover the healing xp because it is the same for both.
To get the healing xp, you will need a combat medic and a bunch of friends. The more the better. If you can get a hundred friends together, this will just zip by. What you do is get the combat medic to mind poison your friends with an AE poison. Mind pool is better than secondary stats. All 3 is best. Then they all watch you perform. (If you are still in entertainer, it's much better to grab someone master or near master and group with them.) For this, invite all your friends who are also grinding an entertainer profession so they can share the xp and bring their own victims.
Now if you need dance xp, the only way to get it is dance. But you don't need to do this in a cantina. You can do it anywhere. In your home, in the starport, in the middle of dantooine. Always do your highest dance. First you will want to work up to dancing IV. Once you have met the dance xp requirement for novice dancer, do the healing xp thing. Having a master dancer around is handy for two reasons. They can teach you skills, and they can make the xp come in quicker by healing people quicker. You will need to take a break to train novice dancer when you are ready for it. You can find dancer trainers in the guild hall: theater structures, backstage, in the path to the stage. Once you are a dancer, go up the knowledge tree first to get better dances.
If it is music xp you seek, there are two ways to go about it. The cheap way, and the quick way. The cheap way is to do as above with the dance xp, substituting music for dance. The exception being that to get the best xp, you can use the most recent music or instrument you gained. If you only gained one at your last skill, use that. If you gained both, you get to pick.
The quick way is to go out and get 180625 units of metal, 65625 units of non-ferrous metal, 139600 units of aluminum, and 279200 units of ferrous metal. (Note these numbers are approximations, so get a little extra.) I would recommend 272000 aluminum and 395000 steel. Now you can grind your way through just like a crafting profession. At novice entertainer, make slitherhorns (In practice mode of course) through the entire entertainer skill tree. Use the steel as the "metal". Once you get enough xp for novice musician, get the healing xp out of the way, and get novice musician, then the musician healing xp. Again, having a master around to help is best. Once you get to musician, start grinding on fanfars, again using the steel as the "metal". Go up the Technique line first. Once you have technique II, switch to grinding on Traz, using the aluminum as both the non-ferrous metal, and the metal. At technique III, bandfill, and at technique IV, Nalargon, both using aluminum as aluminum and steel as the ferrous metal. Use the Nalargon to grind through the entire knowledge ldine. This should go much faster, as the nalargon will give a little more than 450 xp each.
If you need to know how to grind through crafting, there is probably plenty of help for this in the artisan forum.
There you have it, the quickest way to master dancer or musician. For master entertainer, just use a combination of the two, along with grinding out the ID.
why do all of this stuff ( hard work )?
if i can just go to theed/coronet cantina and dance/play AFK spamming "tip me and keep me healed" all day long while i am sleeping or at work/school?
Come back in 1 week and my master Entertainer/musician/DAncer is there.
Silly to try to do all this hard work if i can get all my xp for free, in my closest cantina.
As much as I would like to see this happen, I don't think that realistically the hologrinder will want to take the difficult route in order to be courteous. For some professions, being courteous is easy - for example, not flooding the market with underpriced goods while grinding a craft. But in this case being courteous requires expensive and time-consuming actions.
It may not be feasible for some to get people who are willing to be mind-diseased for hours at a time, or to find a combat medic to do so. Plus, if the hologrinder is asking his friends to do such a thing, I doubt the friends would agree to help, considering that they have to be atk to be diseased while the hologrinder can happily go away. The hologrinder, in order to do this method, would have to be atk with his friends, and would probably opt to be afk in a crowded cantina. Very sad, but true.
In terms of dancing xp, yes you can dance anywhere, but it's doubtful that the hologrinder will want to forego group bonuses which could cut his grind time in half simply to be courteous. Plus, there are healers in cantina, which will speed things up even more.
For music xp, grinding instruments is probably quicker. But you have to be at the keyboard.
All in all, I just don't think that hologrinders will go this far out of their way to be courteous to the profession. I think the only solution to this problem is not a change in behavior (which will not happen) but a change in game mechanics. As seen by the /citywarn issues, people will get away with what they can, regardless of issues of common courtesy.
ROFL!!
"grinding" - how would this differ from exp'ing through entertainer in any other way?
Cantinas pale by comparisson to the true meaning of what it means to "entertain"... For the first couple stable-weeks of game-play, I was that only "freak" out there around Wayfarwearing a Tusken Raider mask, recovering peoples' mind once it went to full-wounds - only because no one else would.. I maxed out entertainer with all but image designing, 'cause that served no purpose.
I'm not offended by what you say - but I find it amusing how some people are offended by the passive actions of others.
I am starting to see that some of the entertainers a really nasty at heart and maybe that is why people prefer to watch the afk entertainers.
How is anyone being nastyhere ? The way posted is the fastest way to grind an entertainer class. It takes maybe two or three days. It requires ATK work... but I would not see that as an insult, do you ?
Learn to be nice and you will not have to worry about the afk'ers.
Well, our worry is that no matter if nice or nasty, AFKers won't notice. Maybe you should read up on the problem described by those that were at the keys while it happened before telling me what the possible solution is.
I never had a customer that thought I was not nice, or at least no one expressed that. ( Maybe save for that "dance for me b!tch" BH ). There is simply no way to be more emotionless than an AFKer.
Sheesh to get them out of the cantina just group with a afk'er and help them why don't you?
If there is a begger, do you give him a million just so you don't have to see him any more ? Hardly ever.
The answer is, because it's not fun. I don't help them because they aren't even there to ask or if I do nevertheless without even thanking me... how could they AFK ?
I have an entertainer on another server and I let him sit afk long hours because I can and no one ever berates me because I choose to afk at times.
You don't say... if you are AFK, how would you notice ? And again, what you do in your private house or in a corner does not concern me. What you do in the public meeting/working place for the entertainer class does concern me.
In fact I almost always get invites to groups while afk and my macro happily excepts the invite.
Well, thats hardly a measure of acceptance of entertainers. Thats just the holotainers point of saying "please get into my group, we will both get more xp". They don't invite you because they like you or what you do. They invite you for personal gain.
Please calm down they will be out of the entertainment industry as quick as they can trust me.
If SOE said you could play a marksman, but all targets where gone or swamped by bots, would you just say ok, lets wait another 2 months or 3 ? I mean why not, it's just money for no fun...
As quick as they can is not quick enough for me as long as I pay money for fun that is not delivered. I will not quit, but I will try to get better service as long as the service remains this poor.
Hakari wrote:why do all of this stuff ( hard work )?
if i can just go to theed/coronet cantina and dance/play AFK spamming "tip me and keep me healed" all day long while i am sleeping or at work/school?
Come back in 1 week and my master Entertainer/musician/DAncer is there.
Silly to try to do all this hard work if i can get all my xp for free, in my closest cantina.
If you do it Tiaga's way you will be done in 2 days instead of a week. If all you want is speed, Tiaga is right. A group of people with mind disease and a good crafting macro.
Remember how he said the Nalargon gets you 450 xp per instrument? That's a lot more than the 45 XP per flourish you get once every 10 seconds to make xp by actual music play. So you'd have to do 10 flourishes, once every 10 seconds or so, to get 450 xp. Plus this drains your action pool and you will have to stop and rest. In the end if you do it by actual music play it'd take you about 2 minutes to make 450 xp -- and then only in a big band.
If you get 3 or 4 good crafting tools (so you don't fail much), you can get them all working simultaneously and you will get way more than 450 xp in 2 minutes. Also, you don't require a large group to do this. Getting 450 xp in 2 minutes on the novice musician songs will take a larger group (without that it's more like 4 minutes to get 450 xp).
Also, healing xp has become very hard to come by lately. All entertainers have noticed it, including AFK grinders. It used to be you got those boxes first. Now you get them last. Not sure why this is, but it's a fact. You will see things go much, much faster with a CM and some friends and disease, than trying to heal "natural" wounds.
Tiaga's right. His method is the fastest and most efficient way to do this. Otherwise, you can hang out in a group in coronet doing things the "old way" but you will come back in a week to find yourself with all the knowledge you wanted but not enough heal xp to make master.
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JimmyPopNL wrote:
spending several hundred thousand resources on a profession in which XP can be attained easily with no resources so that you keep the afk'ers out is quite mean spirited.
Depends on what you want.
A lot of hologrinders mastered other professions before. Many of them are rich. Many of them have millions of credits. To many of them, it'd be worth spending a couple of million credits and getting a grinding macro going on crafting (which as I showed above is amazingly more efficient time-wise than regular music play) to just get it over with. Many of them would prefer to spend the money and be done in 2 days than spend no money and be done in 7-10 days.
Heck, I didn't even know you got music XP for grinding instruments! LOL. If I had known it, I might've done some of it. Not that I like to grind, but at one point I had 2,000 wood and 1,000 metal, of low quality so I couldn't sell it or use it in anything. But quality stats don't matter in an instrument so you can use junk. And while I don't like to grind, I'd rather grind through the resources I spent money to get (before I understood how OQ and stuff worked and that they were useless for anything but instruments) and at least get some xp for it, than just delete them at a net loss of several thousand credits. I find this out too late. The resources are long gone and my PC is done with all her music skilling up (at master ent., she is going no further).
It doesn't even have to be at-keyboard. I don't know how to do them but I understand from crafters in my guild that you can set up a crafting macro much more easily than a dance or music one. For dance/music you have to be careful not to over-run your stat bars and to make sure you rest, etc. For crafting ones since no stat is being used, you can just infinite loop them.
Tiaga's method is faster and more efficient, if more costly. He didn't say you HAD to do it that way. Just that it is faster. And he's correct. It is.
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Actually, I don't think you ever critical fail while crafting in practice mode. I've never watched the exp carefully enough to tell but I've certainly never gotten a message for it.
You know, there is just no pleasing some people. They all come here asking what's the fastest way to master an entertainer profession, so someone does a bit of work and *tells* them, then gets called mean spirited because someone else doesn't like what the answer is.
To the guy who said he goes AFK because he *can*, do you also pick your nose in public just because you can? I mean, isn't that much more convenient than finding a kleenex?
The failure happens before you decide if it is practice or not. At the resource selection screen you hit "assemble" and you can get a crit fail right there. I don't know if I've ever had it happen on an instrument, but I know I have had it happen on other things in practice mode.
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