Entertainer Archive
Thread: BuffBots, are they really the problem?
Vortex500
Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:02 am
#79
Hmm maybe we should try to get this thread back on topic or just give it up before we all think we are under attack.
Tiaga
Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:04 am
#80
Trouble is it's such an old topic it's tired. This thread would be better off to just wither and die so we could talk about the good stuff.
Zilod
Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:06 am
#81
Tiaga be good 
i don't think that PistolDance deserve a bad behave
i don't agree with her and i try to point why,
i think she is quite concerned about the lack of entertainers buffs if dovs tomorrow will /end buffbots with abig impact to the combat profession
she is also trying to beconstructive and to look at options to make the passage to all atk entertainers (my hope) less painfull as possible for combat professions and probably this will be a discussion that will present more often in future and something to deal with.
about provocating posts dealing buffbots (as other ones in these forum) i agree with you, but this desn't seem the case to me
Message Edited by Zilod on 08-01-2004 02:07 AM
Vortex500
Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:10 am
#82
Ok.... And the winner of this thread are..... /drumroll DarkYOda with his feet metaphor(Almost made me puke). Goodnight everybody...
PistolDance
Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:14 am
#83
Saying your post, wherein you state, "I'd also like to point out that most the threads started about buffbots are not started by members of the entertainer community, but by outsiders visiting the forums. " in a thread I started about buffbots when no other buffbot threadswere active for an houris a fair and logical assumption.
But if youd like to avoid the fact you were refering tome itis your right.
Though, I doubt anyone with objectivity will see it any other way.
As you said it wont make a difference to you if I was offended by your blatant attempt to discredit my ideas and opinion bypassively callingme an "outsider".
So I concede to everyone in the post and apologize for trying to find a solution that is plausible and can meet the needs of more than one profession.
Zilad, I enjoyed discussing the possibilties of an ideal relationship between entertainer and combatants with you.
You have changed my mind on a few of my opinions by being open to discussion 
Hope everything turns out well for entertainer, if it does I just might master dancer again on my current server.
Tiaga
Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:17 am
#84
Vortex500 wrote:Ok.... And the winner of this thread are..... /drumroll DarkYOda with his feet metaphor(Almost made me puke). Goodnight everybody...
I don't know, that foot metaphor stinks.
(Couldn't resist the pun.)Most threads lately have been pretty tame. Calm discussion. The thing is, this isn't a new discussion, there are lots of threads on this.
And this one is directed at you, PD.. I don't mean this to be elitist or anything, but while you may be a member of the entertainer community, your only posts in entertainer forums have been recent and about buff bots. If you have some ideas for the profession, please bring them. However, adding content does not need to relate to buff-bots at all, and this thread is addressing buff bots.
PistolDance
Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:27 am
#85
Tiaga wrote:
And this one is directed at you, PD.. I don't mean this to be elitist or anything, but while you may be a member of the entertainer community, your only posts in entertainer forums have been recent and about buff bots. If you have some ideas for the profession, please bring them. However, adding content does not need to relate to buff-bots at all, and this thread is addressing buff bots.
Perhaps if you could look back further when I still played on my first server where my dancer was you would be able to see all my posts.
I have brought ideas and they are ignored, thats the reason I came here to discuss it. Entertainers seem to be so blinded by hate they wont take anything other than "buffbots need to go" as a suggestion. I think my thread here, just came to the same conclusion, My ideas about co-existance (buffbot removal really isnt going to happen guys) were completely ignored.
All problems with professions are inter-linked, so saying that this thread is about buffbots and has no space to add other entertainer problems that go with it is an un-sound way to work through a balance.
If you think ridding the game of buffbots will solve all entertainers problems and that lack of content is not directly linked to there being a shortage of entertainers creating the need for buffbots then I dont think this thread is of any use.
But what do I know, Im just an outsider
Perhaps you should all take some tips by what the developers are trying to put together. They are, in fact, not finding a way to get rid of bots, but finding a waythat will induce aplayerto chose ATK over AFK. I suppose that means they are outsiders as well.
Message Edited by PistolDance on 08-01-2004 02:31 AM
Vortex500
Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:36 am
#86
Just to remind u all what the issue was:
Buffbots are the symptom of the problem, not the problem alone.
Buffbots were generally created by people that could not get entertainer buffs on their combat char.
I dont see a problem with the ability to attain entertainer buffs from an AFK person, as many times, it is impossible or too time consumingto find an ATK entertainer.
This uproar over buffbots isnt logical to me for two reasons:
1. They wouldnt be there if there were more entertainers on the server.
2. Solving a symptom of a problem does not solve the problem.
Why not focus on making the entertainer professions more enjoyable so there will be more entertainers there to buff instead of trying to stop people from playing the game the way they wish to?
I would just rather see the main problem so fervidly attacked,rather thanworking on the problems that arose because of it.
Milandra (SI)
" Into the garbage chute fly-boy! "
PistolDance
Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:46 am
#87
Vortex500 wrote:
Just to remind u all what the issue was:
Buffbots are the symptom of the problem, not the problem alone.
Buffbots were generally created by people that could not get entertainer buffs on their combat char.
I dont see a problem with the ability to attain entertainer buffs from an AFK person, as many times, it is impossible or too time consumingto find an ATK entertainer.
This uproar over buffbots isnt logical to me for two reasons:
1. They wouldnt be there if there were more entertainers on the server.
2. Solving a symptom of a problem does not solve the problem.
Why not focus on making the entertainer professions more enjoyable so there will be more entertainers there to buff instead of trying to stop people from playing the game the way they wish to?
I would just rather see the main problem so fervidly attacked,rather thanworking on the problems that arose because of it.
Milandra (SI)
" Into the garbage chute fly-boy! "
Well actually Vortex, through some very good discussions I have changed my view on a lot of things in my original post.
That is, afterall, what discussion is for
DarkY0da
Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:53 am
#88
Pfft just because I think Yoda is a Sith lord doesn't mean I'm a guy. And yes the foot bit should make you want to puke because it fits very well with what has happened to our profs.
Most if not ALL of the entertainers that post on these forums have put forth suggestions on "content" and fixes that would help. Any content though that would get more atk entertainers into the cantinas for hours on end waiting for people to come in... well anything good enough to do that takes a large chunk of dev time. AND it still doesn't fix things.(aka a skunk lives in your house and you move out. So someone comes in cleans your house puts new high tech stuff and furniture and makes it look cool. If they leave the skunk living there your not going to move back in. Ohh sort of like the Rancor in the house bit mentioned earlier).
I can see that what your saying is add content and then people will start playing again. And then once we get enough of them we can stop the buff bots. The problem with that honestly is that it won't work. As what we are all saying is Stop the afk/bots and people will start playing again. Then Add more content and we will then have a thriving chunk of the community.
One way you leave in place what we are all saying we don't like and has made most of us leave the cantinas for the most part.(or quit the game) and try and bring us back with shiny pretty things. Hoping we suffer through the same thing we are going through right now in the hopes that the shiny stuff brings in enough people that you can then stop the bots.
The other way you make us in high demand for something that is not "needed" and wasn't always in the game. While PvP suffers some (but with some planning and contacts any PvP events should be well staffed by Ents.) PvP I'm sure you have noticed though is already fubar to the point most people that would do it aren't doing it.
pfft you get the idea. I still think my foot example fits very well. But it's like 6am and I've had a very very long day and I'm sick. So forgive me if it ends up making no sense.
Tiaga
Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:54 am
#89
I was going to try and explain some of what I said... I erased it before posting though. You seem to be set in your views of me and anything I say will either directly prove it, or prove it by me trying to defend or explain it. So there is really no point in me saying anything more. I will continue to read this thread, as I do all threads in this forum, but I'm not likely to bother to say anything more here.
PistolDance
Sun Aug 01, 2004 3:05 am
#90
DarkY0da wrote:
I can see that what your saying is add content and then people will start playing again. And then once we get enough of them we can stop the buff bots. The problem with that honestly is that it won't work. As what we are all saying is Stop the afk/bots and people will start playing again. Then Add more content and we will then have a thriving chunk of the community.
There has been no indication that the developers are even considering stopping bots from buffing from what ive seen. Which is why I also suggest with the new content to add an incentive for players to choose ATK over AFK.
I mentioned before in this thread an idea ive had for a while about a large bonus to mind buffs being given through a radial menu on a single person or the group leader.
Pure radial menu's cannot be macro'd, they cannot be afk'd. And considering the state of combat professions there is only one kind of player that would not go that extra bit to find an ATK for the extra buff, that is the grinder.
Those will be weeded out soon
Message Edited by PistolDance on 08-01-2004 03:13 AM
JohnMarble
Sun Aug 01, 2004 3:46 am
#91
I see it as the exact opposite. Buffbots have caused there to be fewer atk entertainers.
How come nobody mentions how boring being a doctor is? It's the exact same "gameplay," these guys sitting outside the starport for hours on end. Nobody points at a single doctor and demands they should be on 23 hours (as they have argued with me), because there will always be another doctor to come along.
But do you think for one minute there would be as many doctors, if the med droids were removed and they were forced back into the med centers, where they would find adoc buffbot parked, spamming they were giving the buffs away for free?Don't like it, doc? Nobody's forcing you to stay in this busy med center, why don't you go to Wayfar?There would soon be just the buffbot, and people dropping doctor.
How come doctors play these characters, sitting for hours outside starports? What boring gameplay! The reason: they can make good credits. I'm a musician,and not only do I not make"good credits," I don't make squat. First it was the hologrind, and no tips, now it's the buffbots, and no tips. Nobody wants to pay for buffs anymore, the profession is destroyed.
And you wonder why you can't find an entertainer.
Message Edited by JohnMarble on 08-01-2004 05:48 AM