Entertainer Archive

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PoetDancer wrote:

That is all well and good, but Squad leader has so many more things that we do not have:

Armour use, and mitigation.

Weapon certification.

Combat level utility.

So, even if the Squad Leader had no squad, there are still benefits from the squad leader for solo play.

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Message Edited by Ackehece on 09-02-2005 12:40 AM

Weaponsmith can build weapons for themselves.

Armorsmiths can build armor for themselves.

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Thunderheart wrote:

While I understand that it certainly isn't as convenient as it would be tobuff yourselves, other players will want that same convenience for themselves. They will buy a small amount of skills for the convenience and the demand for your Inspiration Buffs will drop.

Simply for thesake of discussion: conceptually, the idea of the buff is that your character is "inspired" by watching a fantastic entertainer perform for you. Inspiring yourself by entertaining, dancing or playing music is certainly possible, but it isn't typical.

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pgm2b2 wrote:

If only I could find a Entertainer to get a poxy buff

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There all here complaining

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pgm2b2 wrote:

If only I could find a Entertainer to get a poxy buff

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What server and cantinas? On Bria, I haven't had a single customer yet. I'll come to you just to try it.

Actually, if you're really having a hard time I'd try the global search to find anyone, anywhere with a musician/dancer tag up, then go to where they are. Beats wandering from cantina to cantina randomly.

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Ackehece wrote:

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PoetDancer wrote:

That is all well and good, but Squad leader has so many more things that we do not have:

Armour use, and mitigation.

Weapon certification.

Combat level utility.

So, even if the Squad Leader had no squad, there are still benefits from the squad leader for solo play.

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questionable from a sl+crafter or sl+entertainer perspective.

SL get no directed combat specials (other then marksmen specials)

Entertainers are a non combat class so armor and defense mods are not needed

Entertainers have props and dances that SLs can't use or get (like saying dancers get no armor and weapons)

Ents have buffs SLs can't give

SL combat skills such as speed and accuracy are greatly less then any other shooting combat profession.

SL specials barely apply to themselves and can never be given to a SL (5 out of 7 can not be used on themselves.)

steadyaim - affects one attack (generally the one they used to do the special)

sysgroup - a ability to do a system message

form up - remove states (can not be used when those states are on the sl)

boost morale - move wounds around the group to even them out

retreat - deplete all pools to make others faster

the ones that do apply

volleyfire - increase damage for a stretch of time vs a target

rally - increase defenses of group members

this would seem to be an arguement to allow for master level characters to self buff but it also shows that not all professions grant buffs to themselves with their own skills (and unlike entertainers can not have those applied to themselves by other squadleaders as there is only one group leader)

Message Edited by Ackehece on 09-02-2005 12:40 AM

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To be honest, if I had the same combat level consideration that Squad Leaders receive, I probably would stop complaining about self-buffing. And here is the thing about Squad Leader specials (speaking here as a Master Squad Leader since November of 2003):

Despite the fact that they do not directly affect the Squad Leader, the player using these abilities benefits directly in combat from the group's enhanced damage, defense, and removal of common states. The most that an Entertainer could say about their benefits from their own skills is that other players' progressions are sped up, so they will earn more powerful abilities and capabilities sooner. That is a relatively weak argument, in my opinion.

Entertainer is a non-combat class, that much is true. But Star Wars Galaxies, and particularly the new content becoming available each publish/expansion, is a combat-based game now. To block Entertainers from taking full advantage of combat because of a lowered combat level is frustrating enough. Blocking us from taking ANY advantage of our own skills is quite unreasonable.

Yeah well the whole reason we have non-combat buffs is the combatants want to do missions as fast as possible, and don't want to wait. The logic of crafter buffs is that crafters tend not to be in such an impatient rush. They don't need the buff for grinding, really, and it's no skin off their nose if they have to take a few minutes to get a buff before starting a 3 hour crafting session to make custom armor or something. The crafters, in my experience, are not like the combatants.

I think the main reason is, good master crafters who actually run a business, by definition, MUST be patient. An impatient person might be able to grind master DE or something, but they're not going to be able to keep it and run a good business. You have to be patient and be willing to suspend your satisfaction for weeks or months (to get a business going, etc), which the uber-leet combat-wombats would not do. But crafters HAVE to, so people who are impatient get naturally weeded out of the crafting professions over time.

As a result, in theory at least, the crafters represent a group of people who should be patient enough to deal with the buffing system, where the combatants by their nature tend to be people who by and large are NOT. So you were offering your services to the impatient guys while they were rushing off to do missions, instead of the patient crafters, and that's why you saw this happen.

Also, I will point out, I don't think you were in a good spot. If anyone in a group I was in stopped on the way out of town to get a buff, I'd have something to say to him, along the lines of "Why the heck didn't you get your buff BEFORE hand?" While we are biking to the first mission is not the proper time to stop.

C

well before i made the camp i spent 30 min registered in the cantina and never saw a soul. I'm refering to entertainer level inspirations that were available (and self buffable) prior to this publish which are still completely undesired. I'm refuting the idea that alowing self buffing would decrease the value of the buffs that are at a level that is easily dabbled. My point is #1 that no one is gonna bother and that #2 if they did bother it would at least give folks a reason to visit the cantinas and play with us.

Ah yes I agree with that.

Not many people are interested in the passive buff. Make it active, I say... it should work like everything else (and then it wouldn't clobber existing buffs).

C

Message Edited by Metricula on 09-04-2005 08:52 AM

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Warryyr wrote:

Lame.

You give things to others, take it away, then when complaints are raised you find a way to give back what they had. Yet, we raise our voices over a very similar issue and we see no resolution.

No self-buffing was a HUGE complaint pre-CU. Then you gave us self-buffing with Inspiration buffing, and now you take it away and we complain (as fully expected).

Your analogy to an Entertainer inspiring themself is invalid. When I start playing guitar, I strum for awhile until I start figuring out something new, and start composing a song or parts of a song. I disagree VERY strongly that only the best Entertainers can inspire themselves. If anyone musically or dance-wise didn't feel inspired by doing what they do, they'd never advance in their arts. The paychecks generally don't compensate very well for most, so it is most definitely the feelings of inspiration from doing what they do that makes them pursue their calling as musicians or dancers.

When I hear reports of a Doctor healing their own bullet wound in their head (let alone a laser beam straight through it) then your excuses might hold some water, but until then - let Entertainers self-buff just as you did before.

Sure, it might take some time - but it WAS the biggest complaint pre-CU and a big detriment to people taking up these professions. It will now be a huge complaint once again.

You will NEVER see the end of this, Devs. This complaint will continue to pester you, no joke. The ability shouldn't have been taken away.

Make it happen - yes, it will take time. But DO IT.

Message Edited by Warryyr on 09-01-2005 12:46 PM

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Okay, I just got back after two weeks of business trip without internet and I come back to a completely different game...again. I see I am not alone!

Most changes I can live with, I am pretty easy going but the loss of self buffing has actually made me really angry. What makes me even more angry was reading that this was done because 'entertainers do not inspire themselves.'

huh????

Okay I am inREAL LIFEa profesional artist, writer and dancer. I can tell you this. Artists of all kinds inspire themselves EVERY SINGLE DAY! Where do people think inspiration comes from? I certainly don't run out of my house on a daily basis and ask people to watch me dance so I can gather ideas for my book or my next painting. I have never heard such a crock in my life. I could understand it if the line was because the code won't allow self buffing or some such excuse but that entertainers don't inspire themselves?????? *shakes head*So now while I can inspire my friends and my hunting group I cannot do anything for myself and as a split template ( master dancer/ master TKA) that leaves me sort of screwed, since I am not travelling all over hell's half acre to find someone to buff me and make evenryone else wait. It is ridiculous. I can't tell you how angry I am with this change.

I am slowly starting to lose patience with this nonsense of swapping things and removing skills and doing stuff to templates without any so much as a by your leave. Foralmost two years now I have been playing, refining my character who was always going to be a dancer among other things because it is in her back story and we are playing our toons as close to in character as possible. (these personas have been around for years since the Tie fighter game first came out...)My husband and I run 5 accounts all paid for and I have to tell you I am begining to wonder why.I love star wars and the whole world everything that goes along with it...but I don't know how much more of this BS I can deal with. For non lvl 80jedi/ combattoons, this game is slowly turning into hell. Can someone please fix this.!!!!

Thankyou.