Entertainer Archive
Thread: AFK Macro-ing
Xodarap777 wrote:
Wow! This post is sad! You people really love to whine, don't you? People bitching about other people "blocking their views" or "standing in their way"! Jesus Christ, shut up. Forum whiners bother me more than AFKMers bother anyone, but you don't stop, do you?
*chuckles* Interesting analysis from someone who seems to consistently whine about whiners.
Xodarap777 wrote:Wow! This post is sad! You people really love to whine, don't you? People bitching about other people "blocking their views" or "standing in their way"! Jesus Christ, shut up. Forum whiners bother me more than AFKMers bother anyone, but you don't stop, do you?
The people who defend LAMErs consistently use the argument, "Oh just ignore it, and it won't harm you in any way." (see all the other threads about this topic lately for reference).
So I will turn it around and use that same exact argument with regard to this topic. "Oh just ignore the topic, and don't read it, and it won't bother you in anyway."
See, it works both ways.
C
I haven't met anything quite so bad as what's been listed here already...but every now and then I'll go into a cantina (I travel alot, so the cantina itself varies), where half the group is AFKMing and one of those folks is THE GROUP LEADER. Less exp, no training capabilities (the folks that aren't AFK don't want to disband and lose their exp boost), and no entertainment healing exp.
I have had to go AFK many times as a group leader, to cook food, answer the door, answer the phone, etc....and there has always been another member of the group who I could /makeleader who wasn't AFK.
Chessack wrote:
I understand this but you have to realize that in part this is due to the entire AFKM attitude to begin with. I don't want to over-generalize, but in my (now month long) experience, I have never seen an AFKMed Master Musician or Dancer keep doing the profession after they reach Master. Most are never seen or heard from again. Why should they keep dancing, after all? Their interest was in levelling (obviously, or they wouldn't have AFKMed in the first place), and their levelling is done. Time to go find something else to do.
AFKMers are, at best, a very temporary solution. They will leave the class as soon as they finish powerlevelling, or make up a PC on a different server, or whatever, and start powerlevelling in that instead. What does that leave you with? Empty cantinas.
Actually, I worked my behind off to get master dancer. I then danced all over the galaxy. When I spread my wings I saw how many fun other things there were to do out there.
I usually try and dance once a day, but I end up leaving the cantinas because I get annoyed with all the AFKers and tip beggers. And everyone who made master with me around the same time also started doing other things. I think they all get fed up with the cantina scene. But most of them dropped thier skills. I am keeping mine though 
Nice post MoonLily.
I don't group with AFK people. If there are AFK people in the group I get invited to, I will dance solo or ask for them to be removed, but I will not assist them in gaining exp. If grinding exp is more important to the group that they want to keep the several LAMErs, I disband and dance solo or else group with the other master dancer who also does not group with LAMErs. For all the healing exp that our 2 person group accrues, I think perhaps that groups choosing bots over live people have made a poor choice, but that's their decision to make.
If a LAMEr comes up for air long enough to ask for training, they get told to AFK macro their way over to the NPC trainer and buy the skills. Then they get put on ignore.
I got hassled last night for leaving a group that readded the LAMEr when she came up for air. I knew that most of the people in the group didn't particularly like the whole AFK thing because people had mentioned 'not getting' why someone would make a dancer just to be AFK all the time. I told the person who was hassling me that I didn't like that behaviour and for it to ever stop, people were going to have to grow a pair and just say 'No, I'm not adding you to our group so you can go AFK for the next 3 hours'. There's nothing in the game mechanic that says you are obligated to invite every single person to group who asks. I mean, who cares if the afkm'er thinks you're being rude, do they care what *you* think about what they are doing?
I'm through with waiting for SOE to make some kind of change which makes LAME unable to gain any exp, so I'm taking matters into my own hands. The LAMErs obviously don't give a rip about how they affect other people, so I don't feel bad in the least for giving them the same amount of respect they give others- ie. none.
Velvet-dancer wrote:If a LAMEr comes up for air long enough to ask for training, they get told to AFK macro their way over to the NPC trainer and buy the skills.
LOL!
I will have to remember this for next time! Hee hee.
C
I am a medic, completely and totally against AFK macroing, and here's why:
1. Is there a way for a medic (or any otherprofession) toset up amacro to horde xp? No.
2. If the macro is doing all of the work and not you, the macro should get to play and not you.
I love it when I go into the cantina and there's an AFKMer in there. I always....ALWAYS make fun of them. Sooner or later, I get the other people in the cantina involved. It's so great...it's like making fun of someone behind their back, right to their face!
The advertising always gets me, too. Those "Come to the cantina, and tip me please!" ads. I can never resist. I say something like "Be kind, rewind..." and it gets the whole cantina roaring.
I never tip AFKers. If there is another entertainer in the cantina, I will always watch that person, because I feel personal interaction is part of the job. If the AFKer is the only one there, sure I'll watch....but I never tip. I feel that if they are taking advantage of the system, I'll take advantage of them taking advantage. Also, I feel that the tip should relfect the effort involved. Macro = no effort = no tip. I'll find myself tipping at-keyboard entertainers 1000 credits at one time....but none for the AFKers.
So, no whining. No crying. Just letting you know how I do things. And if you feel like defending your ways, then you must be defensive. And remember, defensiveness indicates guilt. 
2. If the macro is doing all of the work and not you, the macro should get to play and not you.
Make it easy enough for a fool to use and only a fool will use it.
Accordingly, if something can beachieved by a stupid macro, sooner or later, a stupid macro will be used. It's that way for any game, maybe including third party software.
nvoigt wrote:Accordingly, if something can beachieved by a stupid macro, sooner or later, a stupid macro will be used. It's that way for any game, maybe including third party software.
This reminds me of Mu's first rule of online gaming:
You can always count on players to find the shortest path to the cheese.
In this case, AFK Macroing is the cheese... And they've found it.
C
If you have a macroer in your group try /stopband then start to play a song, immidiatly do /stopband again as soon as the macroer joins in again, repeat this a couple of times. it usualy breaks the macroers, for quite a while.