Entertainer Archive
Thread: Macro'ed Master Musician Take or Leave it!! soon you'll beg for it..
What I see as affecting our reputation is the begging for tips and macro's that spam garbage...It is the obnoxious attention grabbers that are the problem, whether they are afk or not.
What do you mean by this? I've got a macro that does a battle-rap/rebeldissI'm going to try out tonight. Is that considered rude, given that I'm, you know, an entertainer and all?
Pendarin wrote:BUT...if you just got formal, then you're relatively new to the profession. You will begin to feel that you are going nowhere when you get into the elite dancing profession and it will cause you to re-evaluate your position on RP over "gotta get something done". I'm not saying it will be your primary focus to grind, but it will certainly take less of a back seat than it does now. You'll just have to trust me on that, which is difficult to do, I realize. It will happen.
Nope, it won't happen. You can trust me on that. I used to be interested in XP and "points based" character development years ago, when I played table-top games. But no more. I'm only interested in roleplay right now. Somebody earlier tonight was stuck in, uh... Star Wars 3 I think it was (too tired to remember right now) and formal did NOT fit it, and I hate the new footloose flourishes (I like that dance even less now than I did before) so I ended up dropping down to basic 2 and danced that way for a good 30 minutes. It just fit the song best of my dances. I think I was getting like 9 xp a flourish. Did not care. Was too busy roleplaying. :-)
I played an online Superhero game for a couple of years that was text-only but points based. I never had time to get involved in GMed plots so my PC (Supergirl) never got any experience. I played her for 2 years without ever having her power up. When I had to drop her because of a server reboot (and a change in the timeline that made her impossible to play) I was sad. If I ever had a chance to play her again I would grab it. I don't need points or skills or levels to enjoy a character, if it's a good character.
I like my little Twi'lek dancer. I like her a lot. There's nothing I can foresee that would make me want to stop playing her any time soon. And so I have no reason to move to "Master" any faster than she is going. In fact I feel like I got to Dance IV a bit faster than I would have liked. But I was just having too much fun dancing to stop. :-)
C
BudaKhan wrote:
AFK macro all day , I will never drop a tip on someone with AFK on their head. If you can live with that, I can live with it. The problem isn't a master entertainer doing it either, it's all the noobs who do it who are still making exp while afk.
First off you do know that you can uncheck autoafk from ever coming on? so all those nice little non afk entertainers are prolly afk part of the time but dont wanna let you know it. Second this whole "you gain xp while afk macroing isnt fair and thats why dont tip afk macroers" hey fine but try this and see what happens the next time you see an apprentice "armorsmith or aritsan or weaponsmith or droid engineer" ask them to make you armor or weapons or tools or anything but tell them "hey im not paying you cause you get xp from making it so you dont need any money for it" Then there are the
"I see no reason how a entertainer in the far corner of a cantina on afk building xp affects anything" umm it will affect something if they all goto the same corner and people go over there to get healed.
I dont know who called dancers/musicians an elite class but that was just plain funny thanks for making me laugh. i didnt become an entertainer to make money or anything i became an entertainer cause i was told i could help out my fellow gamers but i dont see that, and its not cause macros ruined it think about iWHAT do you get from becoming a master dancer/entertainer/musician? the hopes that you can untrain all those skills to get xp for another class? Nope sorry that doesnt work (thats the only thing i wanna thanks sony for right now) then what do you ask is the reason to become a master of the entertaining class? why its to entertainer i mean do you really think we wanna waste credits to macro to get a title just to sell it back? thats kind of stupid isnt it? Afk macros do do anything to hurt the game or hurt the "profession" because sadly there is no entertainer class as of yet. hopefullythey will fix that in the future but sadly it isnt now. One last thing for all the high and might entertainers out that that "dont macro" do /startmusic or /startdance and dont hit a flourish and good lord almighty your macroing.....
The intelligence of "You'll beg for me to heal you someday" remark in an entertainer forum is so laughable - I'm cracking up right now. Definitely the wrong place to post the "I'm proud of it" speech. You'll only get ridiculed.
I don't care if you AFK+Macro - go somewhere out of the way of the other entertainers and do it. Its not like you need xp or anything right? Are you doing it as a service or are you doing it for tips? Do you actually have the AFK sign over your head when you do that or do you get sneaky and don't put the AFK sign on your head in order to trick people into giving you tips?
Those are questions you haven't answered yet but I have a feeling you don't set up your musican to help others, but to get all the tips you can get while you're at work without having to put in the time at the keyboard. And THAT is why everyone else doesn't like AFKMers. The ones who do it out of the way - we don't mind. The ones who are obviously trying to exploit the game - we don't care much for.
C, you are so abosulely correct. Heck, I don't even RP the entire time. I say a lot of stuff that would be considered ooc. But, AFK macroing in the middle of a cantina is just plain rude. However, using /report on them is equally disdained because that was not it's purpose (kinda lika AFK macroing for xp and the like).
If you want to write 'em up, go for it. Heck, start a thread about all the people you see afk marcoing and start a 'black list.' It's RPing, isn't it? And it would defend us entertainers that truly want to socialize. It's a job, too, with /tips being 100% of the income (let's face it, the missions are terrible).
AFK Macroing for restroom breaks and the like is fine. Heck, looping is fine, there is nothing against that in the EULA. However, unattended macroing (exclusions being short breaks) is quite a different story. That is in violation of the EULA. But, let's disregard that for now.
Let's talk laws. It's simple, really. Just because you want to do something shouldn't give you the right to do it. If it nullifies our freedoms, then it is against the law (or rules, in this case). Once your freedoms cross over into mine, then there is a problem. If you are AFK Macroing in your house, more power to you! That is an awesome idea if you hate the music you are stuck with! I encourage the idea for xp gain, if that is what you want to play the game for (or maybe you want a mand but lack the xp, etc). SOE might not like it, but hey, it's your house. Now, SOE should and does have complete jourisdiction in public areas and in public and offensive private matters. If you bought the game, and agreed with the EULA (even though you never read it, or maybe you skimmed through it like me for maybe a minute AFTER agreeing with it), then hey, no remorse if you get expunged. You can't use the excuse that you didn't know (Ignorance does not take a higher position than any law), and you can't say it wasn't hurting anyone else. Heck, it doesn't even matter if it was hurting anyone else in SOEs mind. And guess what, that is A-OK. They made the game, they can be judge and joury. Not your call. Then again, neither is it anyone elses. BUT, they have the right to report it (NOT using the /report command). Make a list, send it to a moderator or Admin, but not the devs or anything (c'mon, common sense?). Devs wont take out macroing, I hope, so we have to keep it. And I like being able to loop macros, because I am there and so it does not violate EULA.
C, if you are ever on Scylla, look me up. I am looking to start a real band in the game, that meets and plays and what not. Player parties and the like would be the ideal audience.
Well, that's my 2 cents. Do what you will, but don't exceed your lawful boundries that you agreed to and electronically signed when you pressed that lovely "I agree" button.
Ok, one last thing. If you want to AFK Macro in a cantina, then when you're a MM, I'll just hack your account. Hypothetical of couse, I don't understand the system well enough to get an account, but here is the moral: If you break one rule, you can't complain about others breaking them. You had it comming to ya. Nothing you can say to defend yourself, and that's life.
I would say that they are not.
1) They are physically at the machine.
2) They are mentally alert.
3) They are passively involved in the game given that they are reading.
4) The system setting them as AFK is an automated process, it has no real knowledge whether the person is there or not.
Where does it say that a person has to move around? Where does it say that a person has to talk in game? Where does it say that a person has to turn an AFK flag off even if they are at the keyboard?
It doesn't say that anywhere. Given this scenario why would this person have to conform to YOUR idea of how a person should play the game. Technically, they are within the EULA to sit there and read and not do anything and not be in violation.
So if you see an AFK'er, use your CSR ticket, Im sure if a person met this situation they would reply to an in game CSR, but I see no reason why they need to reply or give any indication of presence to anyone else.
they will stick you in a small room and monitor your macro and try to engage conversation with you, if you fail to reply and as they monitor you they notice certain actions repeating than that constitutes as afk macro, BUT no other MMORPGs that I have played had the friggin macro option installed inside the gameplay window, so its SOE and SWGs own fault for this even existing in this game.
Grexor wrote:
A question for the Anti-AFK jihad - If a person sits at their computer and uses a looping macro, and the system markes them as AFK because they have not done anything other than read what they are seeing on the screen, are they truly AFK?
I would say that they are not.
1) They are physically at the machine.
2) They are mentally alert.
3) They are passively involved in the game given that they are reading.
4) The system setting them as AFK is an automated process, it has no real knowledge whether the person is there or not.
Where does it say that a person has to move around? Where does it say that a person has to talk in game? Where does it say that a person has to turn an AFK flag off even if they are at the keyboard?
It doesn't say that anywhere. Given this scenario why would this person have to conform to YOUR idea of how a person should play the game. Technically, they are within the EULA to sit there and read and not do anything and not be in violation.
So if you see an AFK'er, use your CSR ticket, Im sure if a person met this situation they would reply to an in game CSR, but I see no reason why they need to reply or give any indication of presence to anyone else.
You are correct on all points. However if someone wants to sit passively at their computer not communicating or interacting with others around them why are they playing a multi-person game? sounds like that person would get as much enjoyment watching an egg fry as playing a game. I believe you are taking anti social behavior to the extreme. I can sit passively and watch my computer for quite sometime andmay at times give the impression that Iam afk but if I am spoken to I have the courtesy to respond. When I am truely feeling anti social I leave public places and search out locations where my anti social behavior will have neither effect orbeconsidered rude to others.
When UO went antiunattended macroingCSR's would attemptseveral communications with a suspectedunattended macroerover a period of 10-15 minutes. If the person did not respond to their communication attempts the character would be teleported to "jail"and then be monitored by CSR while they again attempted communication when no communication was accieveda warning would be placed on the account. To get out of jail a player would have to contact CSR themselves which ensured in game communication of the warning as well as the email communication. Two warnings was a suspension three warnings was a ban. Both UO and SWG support macroing but disallow unattended gameplay.
rolek wrote:
well i bet alot of the times we dont get tips is becuase every one thinks were macroing.
I combat this by showing that I am attentive. I greet people by name. I respond to their comments.
I welcomed someone by name as he entered. He asked if I was programmed. Maybe he thinks I have a macro that targets random people and say, "Welcome %NT." I assured him I was not programmed. For that very reason, he tipped me.
A lot of patrons have joined the anti-AFK crowd. Their beliefs are similar: If you aren't going to interface with the game, then why do you deserve the money? I feel the same way about tipping. If I run to the store or hop in the shower, I may flick on the AFK switch. When I return, I'll flip back through to see what happened while I was gone. Nobody tips me during that time, and that is good.
Although the rudest I've seen was BuddhaBuddy on Radiant (my own little blacklist). Out of respect for entertainers, I did not AFK dance. I sat down, put on the AFK switch, and did my own little thing. When I return, I saw that BuddhaBuddy had spit on me and did other nasty things. So, I will be sure not to dance for him. I wasn't even AFK dancing.
I,ll be completly honest here,i DO AFK macro to ease the grinding,But i also sit in front of the comp all day and Entertain and interact with the locals as well.Yeah,i leave the comp at night and let it run,but im on dial up and i usally get IP kicked to ALOT so it really makes no diffrence.I do understand the concerns of others..and i will goto the back of the cantina for my little overnight grind from now on,but keep in mind SOE placed these macros in the game to help ease the pain of clicking a button over and over.Im sure they would hope we would not do it overnight,but you know how people are..we try to find the easiest way to accomplish things..thats human nature(look at the worlds technology..its ment to make life easier so point made).I do think that going as far as reporting someone is just being an @$$.Instead,you should talk to them and say..go in the back of the cantina so those of use that are at the keyboard get the tips,and customers don,t spend time trying to interact with a AFK,er.
Raina Starfire(Master Dancer)
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