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Thread: I Had Thought AFKing Had Gotten As Low As It Could Get Until.....

Cendatinea
Sun Mar 13, 2005 2:49 am
#27

Drygo, Chii, hit me up later this week, we can go do a round of Beat-The-Bot at the MO.



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Drygo
Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:14 am
#28






JenTara wrote:





Drygo wrote:



Second, even though the bots annoy the carp out of me, I think there's something to be said for politely asking a bot to leave. Many are nice people who may not understand the "unwritten rules" of a particular server or cantina. The ones that are unreasonable after the politeness...well, feel free to go on the attack after that's been established.







Um... we can have all the "unwritten rules" we want, they mean nothing unless SOE has rules... I've never met a bot that would leave if I asked them nicely.







All's I'm sayin' is, some people *are* nice and after they realize the situation they leave. It has happened before. In fact, for whatever reason, maybe it's the server, but we've had multiple bots come and go very quickly in Theed. It's sorta like how most of the places on most servers are buffbot trained. On Kettemoor, the players there are "trained" that Theed is the place to go to talk to and get a buff from a live entertainer. So, most of the combat players who come to Theed won't use buffbots. Maybe that's the reason, the bots aren't getting any money. LOL. Maybe it's a combination of the two reasons. But, it's been a mostly successful endeavor on Kettemoor.




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ShortFatWhiteWookie
Wed Mar 23, 2005 11:57 am
#29

Buff bots will move off in to the player citys if the troop crack down on them in the main towns, this is a good thing for the dancer/musicians that are'nt afk? I think not when I go into a cantiana that I know has a regualar buff bot in I watch the unafk dancers first to drop my Bat Fat, then I go find the bot for my mind, if the Bots are in Player Citys I'm not going to go to the Main Citys for anything apart from Spaceport travel, why should I bother to drop my combat status so I can hit a cantiana when I can go to a friendly player city and pay to keep the city there and get buff in safety.


I see alot about poeple saying that players should'nt play the game as AFK bots about it taking away from them, I say if they want to play and pay for there Bot char let them its call playing the way YOU want to not being forced to play the way others want you to.

So next time you say I want all the Bots out remember that a player is paying for that char even if it offends you its really not cool to tell them to stop.




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LeBob
Wed Mar 23, 2005 4:31 pm
#30


AFK looters offend many people and rightly so. Would you say that since the person pays for their account, then they should be able to run an AFK looter?


What about if they start an account to make a character to dupe credits with? This offends many people too and rightly so, but since they pay for their account, it should be ok?


Duping credits is officially against the rules in the game, yes. All unattended gameplay should be against the rules also, and I am eager to see the day that the devs finally do that.


Certain other competitive MMOs have very strict rules about unattended gameplay, and enforce the rules well. I am sure SOE will sooner or later follow suit.

Message Edited by LeBob on 03-23-2005 05:31 PM



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ShortFatWhiteWookie
Thu Mar 24, 2005 12:04 am
#31

Duping is wrong as that is making something for nothing, basically reprograming the game to give you something you did'nt put the time in to earn, but Afking is wrong, your charater is still logged in, using time even though your not at the computer you are doing nothing to adjust the game to your favor, the macro system was set up by experiance programmer who know it full capabilitys so when people use it is that wrong? is being away from your computer wrong? if so then it would be next to impossible for the past time gamer to get there char up to master dance or musician, as an hour every day is not much time and very little xp in those classes.

Should they be the ones to suffer?

If you have alot of time and love to sit and just chat in cantians thats great more power to you, but not everyone has that kind of time, I know I don't, what with work, kid and life I'm glad I stick with combat.

I think that Afking is ok there is an AFK sign that was put in and even a monitar for inactive time to put it up there, was this miss programming or did SOE know that people would afk for long periods of time, I think they did and do know.

So let not punish the part time gamer!

The rule in other MMO's are in Other MMO's no SWG and that where they should stay, SWG is not like other games and need to be treated as such.

Unattened game play is not agaist the rules and its a rule that does'nt need changing, if people don't like AFKers done group with them and don't talk to them, its your option but to sceam for a rule change is just wrong.




For years I've lived a double life. In the day I do my job; I ride the bus, roll up my sleeves with the hoi polloi. But at night I live a life of exhilaration, of missed heartbeats and adrenaline. And, if the truth be known, a life of dubious virtue. I won't deny it. I've been engaged in violence. Even indulged in it. I have assailed adversaries, and not merely in self defense. I've exhibited disregard for life, limb, and property, and savoured every moment. You may not think it to look at me, but I have commanded armies and conquered worlds. And though, in achieving these things, I have set morality aside, I have no regrets. For though I have led a double life, at least I can say, "I have Lived"
Anoewyn
Sun Mar 27, 2005 7:14 pm
#32






shadowdefender wrote:
I don't want to sit at my computer all day and night and do mind buffs.... but there are other people to buff when I am not available.... I read recently some fun things to do as a guild - one was going on a hunt with no buffs and no armour higher than ubese. GASP - go out into the big world without my buffs and UBER weapon and kill everything in sight... Actually those were my fondest days when I couldn't afford much more than pieced together bone armour that I bought in Coronet Bazaar a laser carbine and a few good friends that sat around laughing till we cried as the dang meatlumps almost sent us to the cleaners for the upteenth time.

If buffers aren't around - go unbuffed - it's a new experience if nothing else




/agree


Aye, every Monday at 7pm PST, mu guild gathers up for "Bootcamp".


We meet on top of our PA Hall on Lok, in our special trainee jumpsuits and a cdef or baby melee weapon. No buffs, no food.


All I can say is - if we (a group of around 5) can take out entire base worth of pvp spawns, not including the Nyms/Corsair and atm there are Sith Hunters up there (ouch, they a bit tougher:smileyvery-happyect that surround it, without buffs - then what is the excuse of buff-aholics? Sure, one or two of us might get wiped - but its great fun, because everyone is vulnerable, and we all have to pay attention to more than justour combat que. Just like the good ol' days - its about looking out for each other and having a blast, not turning on some kind of "god mode" and spamming one particular attack.


And of course, when we trudge back to New Suntir to be dismissed after a long day of "maggot" training- we all head up to the cantina, for some dancing and music - good times, good times





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BioEngine
Sun Mar 27, 2005 9:42 pm
#33

Ok, two separate observations:


One, a dancer/musician buffer by the name of Jolen has been occupying the back of the Cnet cantina on multiple servers at the same time. I did not realize this until I visited Wanderhome for the Great Ranger Meet, and I only found out when I had grought my character up to a high enough level where I could make use of buffs. I don't pay her as much as I used to anymore, sorry to say.


There is a character on Bloodfin, who constantly spamms in front of Cnet starport, named:


"OMGICantBelieveItsAnotherBuffBot"


I think I lost a few brain cells to suicide that day......


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JazzHands
Mon Mar 28, 2005 7:01 pm
#34



ShortFatWhiteWookie wrote:
Duping is wrong as that is making something for nothing, basically reprograming the game to give you something you did'nt put the time in to earn, but Afking is wrong, your charater is still logged in, using time even though your not at the computer you are doing nothing to adjust the game to your favor, the macro system was set up by experiance programmer who know it full capabilitys so when people use it is that wrong? is being away from your computer wrong? if so then it would be next to impossible for the past time gamer to get there char up to master dance or musician, as an hour every day is not much time and very little xp in those classes.
Should they be the ones to suffer?
If you have alot of time and love to sit and just chat in cantians thats great more power to you, but not everyone has that kind of time, I know I don't, what with work, kid and life I'm glad I stick with combat.
I think that Afking is ok there is an AFK sign that was put in and even a monitar for inactive time to put it up there, was this miss programming or did SOE know that people would afk for long periods of time, I think they did and do know.
So let not punish the part time gamer!
The rule in other MMO's are in Other MMO's no SWG and that where they should stay, SWG is not like other games and need to be treated as such.
Unattened game play is not agaist the rules and its a rule that does'nt need changing, if people don't like AFKers done group with them and don't talk to them, its your option but to sceam for a rule change is just wrong.





If a ranger found a way to AFK harvest meat in order to sell it at a drastically reduced price, would that be wrong? His character would still be spending time in the game, and he'd still be paying his $14.99 a month. But the other rangers wouldn't be able to compete. They'd get no income from hunting because no right-minded artisan would pay more for a raw resource than they had to - that would cut into their profit margin. The only way that the economic damage of that player could be mitigated would be if he ran out of meat - there was too much demand for the cheap product. This would encourage crafters to seek other sources of meat, bringing some business back to the other rangers. Now imagine if that same ranger could harvest inexhaustible amounts of meat... The other rangers would never get back that business. This is what an AFK bot is like to entertainers. They can give away an unlimited supply of our product, nearly twenty-four-seven, and they only have to hit a single key, once per day.

That doesn't seem wrong to you?

And in response to your comment, that's one of the worst reasons for AFKing I have ever heard. If you don't have time to play more than an hour a day, only play an hour a day. A true entertainer, one who deeply enjoys the profession and not just its buffs, would have fun in that hour, and not just want a higher song for next time. They'd want to come back to talk to their friends, greet their patrons, and have a positive impact on the community. Being an entertainer all alone is one of the most boring things in the game. It's tantamount to being a merchant on a single player server. If that's a true entertainer wanting nothing more than new song, it's because they're alone in a sea of AFK bots who have no way to socialize with them in any meaningful way. AFK play only plagues others with boring, meaningless, harmful AFK play.

If you're playing an entertainer for the right reasons, you should value your integrity, your contribution to the community, and your positive influence on your friends and supporters - you should value the joy you bring to yourself and those around you. You should not value the fake money over all else. When you do, you ruin it for those that don't. And I am willing to bet that there are more of us who value game money less than real emotional gratification (that doesn't mean that out only source of emotional gratification is SWG, before you get any ideas.) I am also willing to bet that the greater number of us, paying the greater number of $14.99's per month, are more valued by SOE. If they want to keep that real-life cash, they will listen to us, and not the empty, soulless husks that are the buff-bots and their creators.



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LyteFoot
Mon Mar 28, 2005 10:27 pm
#35

Ignoring the impact it has to our profession the time your toon is online without you is stealing from me. Your toon takes server resources that it doesn't deserve since you aren't playing. Your toon is taking resources from my computer to render the display, it is contributing to lag in the populated areas. In general when you and all the other AFK players are "just playing your game the way you want" without actually playing you are stealing from and degrading the quality of the game the rest of us paid to actually play. The systems are sized for expected player numbers with anticipated peaks and valleys. Pricing is based on the average expected resource utilization of a normal person. If you don't play the same hours I do then you don't deserve, nor did you pay for, using up the resources during my time.



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Tangleweb
Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:47 am
#36






ShortFatWhiteWookie wrote:

Duping is wrong as that is making something for nothing, basically reprograming the game to give you something you did'nt put the time in to earn, but Afking is wrong, your charater is still logged in, using time even though your not at the computer you are doing nothing to adjust the game to your favor, the macro system was set up by experiance programmer who know it full capabilitys so when people use it is that wrong? is being away from your computer wrong? if so then it would be next to impossible for the past time gamer to get there char up to master dance or musician, as an hour every day is not much time and very little xp in those classes.

Should they be the ones to suffer?

If you have alot of time and love to sit and just chat in cantians thats great more power to you, but not everyone has that kind of time, I know I don't, what with work, kid and life I'm glad I stick with combat.

I think that Afking is ok there is an AFK sign that was put in and even a monitar for inactive time to put it up there, was this miss programming or did SOE know that people would afk for long periods of time, I think they did and do know.

So let not punish the part time gamer!

The rule in other MMO's are in Other MMO's no SWG and that where they should stay, SWG is not like other games and need to be treated as such.

Unattened game play is not agaist the rules and its a rule that does'nt need changing, if people don't like AFKers done group with them and don't talk to them, its your option but to sceam for a rule change is just wrong.






if you can only attend to your gaming habits for an hour a day, maybe you should play something that doesn't require the siginificant time investment that an MMO does. halo 2 on xbox live is really nice for that.


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ShortFatWhiteWookie
Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:06 am
#37

Sorry Tangle I did'nt know this game was restricted to people who have no lives to live out side there computers, I shall leave now and go and play Halo2 and listen to a bunch of morons swearing down there mics.


Please think before you post that was just arrogant in the extream.



For years I've lived a double life. In the day I do my job; I ride the bus, roll up my sleeves with the hoi polloi. But at night I live a life of exhilaration, of missed heartbeats and adrenaline. And, if the truth be known, a life of dubious virtue. I won't deny it. I've been engaged in violence. Even indulged in it. I have assailed adversaries, and not merely in self defense. I've exhibited disregard for life, limb, and property, and savoured every moment. You may not think it to look at me, but I have commanded armies and conquered worlds. And though, in achieving these things, I have set morality aside, I have no regrets. For though I have led a double life, at least I can say, "I have Lived"
Tralmek
Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:11 am
#38

I've managed to level several characters to master Entertainer, Image Designer, Dancer, and Musician while playing for just an hour or two every day. Sometimes less. True, there are times when I can spend several hours online at a time, but those are rare.

In pre-Combat Rebalavamp Galaxies, the journey to Master is really the fun. Since nothing in the Entertainment professions will apparently be fixed with the CR, my guess is that although in combat only being Master will matter, for Entertainers thetrip through the professionwill still be the fun.




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LyteFoot
Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:12 pm
#39



ShortFatWhiteWookie wrote:
Sorry Tangle I did'nt know this game was restricted to people who have no lives to live out side there computers, I shall leave now and go and play Halo2 and listen to a bunch of morons swearing down there mics.
Please think before you post that was just arrogant in the extream.





So because you are limited in your time online you should be able to reach master at the same point in time that someone else can who is on line more? Thats like saying that people who drive 50 miles per hour should be able to reach their destination at the same time people driving 60 do. If you aren't playing the game then your character's activities are stealing resources that are there for ME and others actively playing the game. So its ok for your toon to consume resources and degrade my play experience when you aren't online just so you can drive slower and arrive at the same time? I don't think so.



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