Entertainer Archive
Thread: One thing going into my second report...
I don't see the problem with afk macroing honestly.
It's the only way I've stayed sane, since I can go to sleep without having to listen to sw2 over and over again.
I play for a few hours in a night, interacting with my customers and such... and then I go to bed, let my macro keep running so that those who play in the wee hours of the morning can also get their wounds healed and such.
I find that tips are actually better overnight than during primetime.
I support you, as long as it's clear that the issue is AFK macroers, and not macroers in general.
I figure a safe rule of thumb for an AFK macro is
- Any macro that loops using the ui toolbarSlot command
- Any macro over 15 or 20 commands long
If you're pressing to keep regular macros and get rid of AFK macros, I am behind you 110%.
Sorry, absolutely against SOE touching the macro system. I've found that fixes usually aren't and the only way to stop people will be to remove the system entirely. Since the macro system is extremely useful, I'd prefer to deal with AFK macro'ers in my usual way rather than have SOE screw everything up and make life unbearable. We have 2 doors to choose from, one we know what is behind, one we do not. Don't assume that the door that we haven't tried is better.
Also, side note. I find it completely unethical and totally inappropriate for the correspondent to even dare take this stance with his track record. Absolutely shameful and disgracefull. If I could, I'd ask for a recall and strip his entertainment skills for this display.
also, Correspondant does not equal Team Leader.
Just my 2 cr.
I think you've taken on a commendable job, V., I don't envy the position.
To the V h8ters, don't worry, the job rotates and maybe next month it'll be you or me taking all the flak.
However, I'm strongly opposed some solution that significantly breaks the macroing system as it currently stands. The macroing system is very nice for being able to put together sequences of flourishes and pauses to make it sound like you're playing a song rather than just mashing a bunch of F-keys. Regardless of which side of the AFK debate people fall I think you could get a fair consensus that the macroing system has many valid uses for people in the dancing and music professions.
I must admit i don't find AFK entertainers particularly entertaining especially in places like the cantinas. Also AFKers in public places are the targets of much scorn and ridicule (not that they know since they're at work or sleeping or whatever). But what people do out of the way even off to the side in a cantina doesn't matter to me. Of course this requires that the AFKers have some consideration for the people actually playing the game. A quality I've found sorely lacking in many AFKers.
Honestly, I assumed that SOE would get around to removing AFK entertainer bots eventually. Just like they are working on the Sampling bots. AFK entertaining doesn't alter the economy so I understand why it was significantly lower priority to get worked on. When they changed the mechanic for bandflourish towards the end of beta it was obvious that they didn't intend for there to be a bunch of AFKers standing around in every cantina. Fortunately, they have been working on higher priority issues like fixing bugs and the like. Is this something that will get addressed. I see it as only a matter of time.
Tiaga wrote:
Kuildeous wrote:
Many entertainers agree that the experience spam kills us in our attempts to remain attentive in the cantina. I would like to see Entertainment Experience and Healing Experience grouped up so it tells you how much you made in much longer intervals. Possibly one of the following:
I'm going to have to give a PLEASE NO to that.
If you want to split things out make a new chat tab. Right click on the tabs and select new tab. Then go to that tab and select edit tab. You can then move just chat and not xp messages to that tab.
Unfortunately, you also lose tip messages, so unless you keep it coming onscreen you won't see them.
Thank you for the input to my suggestion. Could you elaborate on why Entertainment Healing must be split into three different lines per pulse?
Or why we actually need to see our experience every single pulse?
But if the developers can allow us to customize this so we see our experience every pulse or every 30th pulse, depending on our tastes, then everyone can be happy. That's what I would REALLY like to see.
I think that sums up the problem that many have with the afk xp'ing players...
Selwynn wrote:
I'm not here to "earn" anything.
Waho wrote:
The logic that I don't understand is people saying that V macroed to MM, and now V personally wants to stop AFK macroing.
Um...if he did it himself, I don't think it's a personal agenda....
There are several things wrong with him starting this thread. First, he clearly wasn't against macroing until he became a master musician recently.Based onwhat I can sense of his personality, he wants it to stop because otherwise there will be too many other master musicians and he won't feel important enough. But more importantly, instead of representing the entertainer community, he has been formulating his reports based on what he personally would like to see in the game, and if it happens that the majority of players agree then chalk it up to coincidence. Furthermore, and this is especially true on the VN boards, he hasn't been able to take criticism of his posts from day 1... there really has been no discussion of his first report or his subsequent ideas in a rational manner unless you agree with him. If you disagree you are just jealous of his position, don't know what you are talking about, blah blah blah...
Anyway, for those that don't read the VN boards, he apparently sent a "resignation" message to the devs... so... BUH-bye!
This is very bad idea -- and too contentious at this stage for you to put it into a repot that's representative of the profession. You certainly could call it your pet peeve, and that's fine -- but please don't represent this as the opinion of the Entertainment profession. I'm well on my way to Master Entertainer and I have earned nearly every single point of XP while at the keyboard (there are those occasions, certainly where I haven't).
People who feel like someone else is "cheapening the profession" need to step back and remember this is a game, not a contest and most certainly not a way of life. Yes, there are some people who only macro and they macro poorly... this is going to happen. However they don't cheapen my experience -- if I don't like it, I don't play with them. I've always found cantina crowds to be pretty smart in self-selecting on active participants in a band or dance troupe and interacting with them.
This isn't a contest and this issue is not a representative issue for the profession, in my opinion.
Falryx, Chilastra Apprentice Musician
I think one thing your profession correspondant is failing to note is that there are two other classes he's about to have a head on collision with. Musicians and Dancers both use macros to facilitate easy band management and dance presentations. Sometimes because of a lack of chat the auto-afk pops up and we simply miss it. While your correspondant may claim to speak for the entertainer class you will find he is not speaking at all for musician and dancer and many on these other class boards are gearing up to battle him head on to preserve their macros for other reasons besides afk macroing. Also most on the other boards frankly don't find very much wrong with afk macroing.
Will be interesting to see how this battle works out.
All comments about the author of this thread aside, 
, I really find it hard to care about afk macroing.One reason is that I keep hearing how macroing helps people skip all the "work" involved in becoming a master musician/dancer... but, as a master musician myself, I really don't feel like I put in any work except for mashing some buttons for a couple of weeks, and I have never really felt like I accomplished all that much because of it, I am just happy to not be playing any song that begins with SW.
I think part of my lack of emotion on this topic has also been derived from watching how certain entertainers have dealt with AFK people in-game. Dancers (I'm sorry it's always the dancers where I play lol) in the groups I get in seem to have nothing better to do than wait for someone to go afk, and then make it their sole mission in life to get that person on everyone's ban list. I've even received emails (I guess as one of the senior musicians in my city they think I have some kind of pull hehe) to this effect, and how people have been given "their warning". 
Honestly, I can't understand why anyone cares so much about this unless it boils down to jealousy. That I can understand to a point, but there really isn't anything to be jealous of in such a mindless (sorry, I say it as a fellow musician and master entertainer) profession.