Entertainer Archive
Thread: What do you expect to gain from /deny
Ndainye wrote:
it should place the /deny'd person on ignore, ...[clip]... it should inform the person who was /denied that they have been /denyied, ...[clip]... and finally it should create a /report (you are denying because of abuse correct?)
I have a few problems with these comments because I play a covert rebel who plays in the cantinas and I don't like to help out the overt Imps! Adding a /deny to the games give me the change to give them "cold sholder" in the game. Think about the "bad vibes" an overt Imp would get walking into a room full of covert Reb musicans/dancers. It would be that sort of feeling you get when you walk into a bar and you "just know" you don't belong. How is that going to put your mind at rest?
I don't want to ignore the Imp because he is just playing his game, I don't want him to know he was denied because well I'm covert (and not really part of the army) and there is nothing to report him on.
Chessack wrote: LiquidMonkey replied:
I don't recall the Twi'lek dancer girl in Jabba's palace having a /deny command. When she tried it (saying no) I remember her pretty little butt being chomped on by a larger, er, Rancor-ous creature. Well that (saying no) was her /deny command. Jabba just used his/trapdoor command to lay down the law.
I don't recall Sny Snoodles /denying Lando Calrissian or C-3PO. Well /denying C-3PO in game terms is moot, but Sny wouldn't know to /deny Lando since he was undercover and even if he wasn't maybe he was /denying him by just giving him the "evil eye, bad vibe mojo" I mentioned in an earlier post.
Where exactly is the in-themeness and IC-ness of /deny? How can anyone possibly justify it in character? /ignore, at least, I can see -- you can literally ignore another person. But /deny? The only way to deny services in character is to stop dancing. Well like I said there is that whole "Bad Vibes" thing again. If you have never seen this in real life try walking into a say a "Gay Bar" if you are straight, or a "Biker Bar" if you are gay. No one there needs to stop entertaining but trust me the "I don't belong vibes" when you walk in to someplace you don't belong can be rather unsetteling and really wouldn't set your mind at ease.
But in the end if you can think of no "in character" reason to use /deny and you are a huge "in character" player, well then, don't use it. There is nothingforceing anyone to use this command.
baracu wrote:
If you are playing music or dancing for a crowd in a public place, how do you deny someone from listening or looking? In reality, you can't.
It's unhealthy to start thinking this game is reality.
You either stop what you are doing or have bouncers remove the troublesome person(s) from the premises.
Or you have devs add a /deny feature.
If you stop performing... yet, that will disappoint the crowd, the crowd could then turn against the troublesome person(s) and apply some kind of pressure to bring that person into compliance with normal behavior.
Sounds good in theory, but does not happen in practice.
If we have bouncers... again, this allows these "dorks" to be removed from interfering with the show.
Bouncers would be cool if done properly. IF.
Well, neither of these seem to be possible in the game but with some creativity, perhaps it could be.
Perhaps.
A /deny command make absolutely know sence what so ever and only opens the game up to abuse and unrealistic game play.
I disagree. The gameplay is already open to abuse and this gives people a tool to prevent it. There are a lot of us who would love to play for people so that if they are /denied for no reason, they can still find a performer who will play/dance for them.
/deny doesn't provide any abilities that entertainers don't already have. It's very easy to stop healing someone who's bothering you--simply stop playing or dancing. Poof, no more healing. The only thing /deny provides is a way to do this selectively, so that the majority of people watching/listening don't lose out because one twit is being stupid.
As a master musician, I've already hit the cap on music and healing xp, and I can make plenty of money in other ways, so when I perform in public, I am doing so as a way to help out other players--I heal people up a heck of a lot faster than a beginner with a slitherhorn. If someone's griefing, I don't see much wrong with refusing to help them. It will be nice to be able to do so without slowing down everyone else's healing.
Many players treat entertainers as auto-heal-NPCs. We're not. We can perfectly easily deny you service without /deny if you're being an idiot. Sure, you can find someone else who doesn't care--that's great! Bother them instead. Everybody happy.
Riga (Kauri)
CantinaFly wrote:
...and Hijo is just openly trolling
Hehe, I am?! I know that some people prefer to post with the warm and fuzzy feel good idea of let's all hold hands and get along... but I just post my opinions bluntly. Sorry if that offends you, but I'm not here to make friends, and I certainly don't plan on changing.
Should we recap some of your recent posts? For example, one immediately comes to mind wherein you "summariliy derived" that everyone here is a moron? Oh yea, there's some high quality non-trolling material to back you up!
Please. Will someone explain to him what trolling is... I'm sure if I tell him he won't understand.
You'll fogive the fact that I skimmed this thread - we've been here so many times now the issues are plain to see
Entertainers who abuse /deny will gain a reputation just as quickly as a 'Cantina jerk' and wont be watched/listened/invited into bands etc - therefore you have little to fear from its abuse
Entertaining is just as viable a profession (in terms of money making opportunities) as any other - this game is _not_ a mission treadmill. If you dont think an Entertainer has the right to make money from their skills then its likely you are one of the reasons a /deny is needed
If you object to /deny to the point where you will just go and train Novice Entertainer - good on you! You've decided to actually do something about the issue other than whine. However just be prepared to find out just how much downtime your going to see at the start with your low healing ability (and we'll see you back here is a few when everyone is watching/listening to you slave away and not giving you a bean for your trouble)
Now I'm _not_ and entertainer - my girlfriend is and I was disgusted over the weekend to see the lack of respect for her time she got for running all the way down to Wayfar (she has 0 in the combat dept) to entertain in the cantina. There are alot of wounded people down there (thanksto Jabba missions) and over 50% of people didnt tip (and her healing skills are pretty good), some promised to return with a tip and never did, and some tipped a pathetic amount (which I think is more insulting than no tip).
I think the core of the problem is that some people are (still) bitter about having to need entertainers at all - no one seems to begrudge needing a Doctor so people should just put up and shut up - if you dont want to need healing, dont get killed so much, its not like anyones forcing you to
I've noticed a lot of the "arguments" against /deny is that it's an unrealistic action...
Think of this, then.
Is it realistic to be able to fly to other worlds in no time flat(except loading times, of course)?
Is it realistic to have people who can take down monsters 20 times their size alone?
Are blasters even realistic?
Is it realistic to be able to take ANY organic substance to make the exact same kind of stim pack?
Is it realistic to make a tent out of a few bones and some hides?(This, I can kinda see, but think about Gnort bones and hides. One small tent you'd have there)
Is it realistic to be able to communicate with a specific person worlds away without a phone or something?
Is it realistic to be able to walk into a cantina/hotel/theater and be entertained completely for free, then just walk out?
Is it realistic to play as a big furry creature who plays music for a living?
Is it realistic to be able to comprehend a language instantly from someone who speaks the language you don't even know already???
The point I'm making is, 90% of the things in the game aren't realistic anyways, so enough of claiming /deny is "unrealistic".
'k?
I think that is unrealistic. I son't think deny will ruin the professions but I do think that there will be people who abuse the /deny. There always is. Waht I have learned from years of MMORPG's though is that people tend to account for the few and avoid/ignore them. So unless this becomes an everyday thing, I don't see the problem. If it does become an abusive power play by entertainers, then I expect that the devs will act accordingly.
Killian
Like the idea of having a cover charge when someone enters the Cantina. When a performer leaves the building, they get a cut of the credits. I'm sure a lot of people will be against paying money to walk into a building, but at least entertainers would get something for their trouble.
With the addition of the /deny command, I fully expect other entertainers to use it as an extortion tactic, and I welcome them to do so, all it will succesfully do, is increase the amount of people that watch me, and the amount of people that tip me. I get tipped because I'm friendly, and nice, and I talk to everyone. I work very hard to thank every medic that heals me, and every person that tips me (sometimesI just can't cause of spam, but oh well).
I for one will probably never use the /deny command, since the more people listening the more exp I get. And for people that complain about hecklers, I've found the best way to deal with them, is to actually deal with them. I reply, talk back, make smart-butt comments. I heckler the heckler, not only do the other customers get a kick out of the musician slapping the mon cal upside the head for licking her, but they laugh even harder when she says something to the effect of "Shoo, shoo little froggy!" For instance, when I was waiting in the starport for the ship to arrive once, I started playing my instrument (people seem to like listening to you when they're waiting, it gives them something to do for that 9 minute wait). And some silly guy started asking me how many credits he could give me before I would take off my dress. Now, I'm a lady, so I don't do such things, so I refused him, over and over and over. At which point he began crawling on the ground, trying to "look up my dress". I of course, slapped him for it, at which point a TKA master watching the scene, challenged the fool to a duel, of course he refused the duel, but he did stop. So, whats the lesson to be learned here? Interact with the hecklers, and heckle back. The only people added to my ignore list are the spammers, since it clutters my ever so precious chat window.
Also, has anyone else seen some dinglebat run into the cantina and "steal" the naly away from the MM's? Some wookie came into the cantina today, and I think he "used" the naly, and it would spawn away from the master, and onto him. This is awful, and definetely needs to be fixed. Also, would you other musicians stop hijacking my omni when I'm getting action health back:-P