Entertainer Archive

Thread: A counterpoint for the AFK debate (devs please read)

Dialyn
Mon Aug 09, 2004 2:52 pm
#14

Actually, I started the entertainer career because I like it and I think it's fun!! To clarify, I only am afk most of the time at the moment because I am earning xp for master dancer, as youknow there is some pretty long stretches between each rung on the ladder O_o I do like socializing, I'm usually in a group and enjoy flirting with customers and chatting in group just like everyone else. I'm not afk all of the time ^_^



.::. Laurelin (Ahazi) & Chiii (Bria) .::.
Tiaga
Mon Aug 09, 2004 3:05 pm
#15
Multi-posts are a plague. It's easy to do by accident.

Once you get to master...... What exactly do you plan to do? Do you think something magically changes and the game is different as a master?

Why the race to the top? Why can't you enjoy dancing along the way?

Look at it from this perspective... If one person plays in a certain amount of time, and another plays twice that amount of time, doesn't logic say that the second person should advance twice as fast, or at least faster than the first? You're arguing that both people should advance at the same speed. So what is so special about the first person that their time is more valuble than the second?

If you spent twice as much time reading a book as someone else, wouldn't you expect to read twice as many books as them? If you spent twice as much time watching TV or movies as someone else, wouldn't you expect to see twice as many shows or movies? If you have twice as much time to put together jigsaw puzzles as someone else, wouldn't you expect to put together twice as many?

Why should SWG be any different?



Inside my heart is breaking, my make-up may be flaking
But my smile still stays on
My soul is painted like the wings of butterflies
Fairytales of yesterday will grow but never die
I can fly - my friends
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SmedleyLlama
Mon Aug 09, 2004 3:15 pm
#16






Tiaga wrote:
Multi-posts are a plague. It's easy to do by accident.

Once you get to master...... What exactly do you plan to do? Do you think something magically changes and the game is different as a master?






Having been a Master Dancer and Master Musician, the answer unfortunately is, "yes". This goes for all professions though. Once you reach Master, you are suddenly in much greater demand. Whether this is a good or bad thing is open to debate.

Tiaga
Mon Aug 09, 2004 3:23 pm
#17

SmedleyLlama wrote:

Tiaga wrote:
Multi-posts are a plague. It's easy to do by accident.

Once you get to master...... What exactly do you plan to do? Do you think something magically changes and the game is different as a master?


Having been a Master Dancer and Master Musician, the answer unfortunately is, "yes". This goes for all professions though. Once you reach Master, you are suddenly in much greater demand. Whether this is a good or bad thing is open to debate.


It is true that for many professions master makes a different. This is easiest to see in the artisan professions. However I think the least of which include dancer and musician. Right now the only demand you are in is if you are a buff-bot.

How you play a dancer or musician, and what you do do not greatly change. Currently I am a musician with 4023 (Yes I'm a freak and went up technique first this time, no it wasn't AFK) which means I can give a respectable 75% buff. Most players would gladly take that if they couldn't find a master. If I could find (And afford) skill tapes, that could be a 100% buff, without even being master.



Inside my heart is breaking, my make-up may be flaking
But my smile still stays on
My soul is painted like the wings of butterflies
Fairytales of yesterday will grow but never die
I can fly - my friends
SWG Entertainer.com Fashions by TK
SmedleyLlama
Mon Aug 09, 2004 3:33 pm
#18





Tiaga wrote:


It is true that for many professions master makes a different. This is easiest to see in the artisan professions. However I think the least of which include dancer and musician. Right now the only demand you are in is if you are a buff-bot.

How you play a dancer or musician, and what you do do not greatly change. Currently I am a musician with 4023 (Yes I'm a freak and went up technique first this time, no it wasn't AFK) which means I can give a respectable 75% buff. Most players would gladly take that if they couldn't find a master. If I could find (And afford) skill tapes, that could be a 100% buff, without even being master.






I wasn't really refering to the abilities of the Master.. More the perception. When a player seeks out someone to do a job, they generally seek out a Master first. I had never had a tell froma "stranger"for anything, other than training, before making Master Musician. But the day after I got it (ATK no less )and proudly displayed my tag, I got a good half dozen requests to come here or there for a buff.


So to answer your question about whether the game changes once you reach Master, the answer would be yes.. For better or worse.

Message Edited by SmedleyLlama on 08-09-2004 06:34 PM

Tiaga
Mon Aug 09, 2004 3:36 pm
#19
That is just buffing. Most people who wish to play musicians aren't doing it just for buffing.



Inside my heart is breaking, my make-up may be flaking
But my smile still stays on
My soul is painted like the wings of butterflies
Fairytales of yesterday will grow but never die
I can fly - my friends
SWG Entertainer.com Fashions by TK
Dialyn
Mon Aug 09, 2004 3:47 pm
#20
Yeah, actually most of the time I've been in the cantina "live" the only reason I was making the argument to begin with was to leave the option open since people should be able to choose how they want to play. Regardless of they should play though, I agree it's irritating for the people who are atk long enough to get in a group and set up their macro...I like being in the cantina, offering my service for training if someone needs it and occasionlly helping people who want to learn how to use macros. Alot of times we get into s discussion about anime or movies and I



.::. Laurelin (Ahazi) & Chiii (Bria) .::.
SmedleyLlama
Mon Aug 09, 2004 7:49 pm
#21




Tiaga wrote:
That is just buffing. Most people who wish to play musicians aren't doing it just for buffing.





Hehehe..


Okay, I give.


But Istill say the life of a Musician or Dancer does change once you reach Master.


nvoigt
Mon Aug 09, 2004 8:31 pm
#22
>But Istill say the life of a Musician or Dancer does change once you reach Master.


What is different is that you no longer need xp. You still do the same things and you still get xp. Earning xpjust becomes meaningless.

I have buffed people when I was non-master. I could do this because there were times in Theed when no master was online. This was prior to buff bots.

I have been part of a band as a non-master.


And most important, I had FUN as a non-master. I fail to see how when you receive your master title, the same things that you did before change from "grinding hell" to "fun gameplay". It's the same buttons you press, the same people you talk to, the same gameplay mechanics.


If you don't have fun a novice, don't expect your mastery to be the silver bullet.
Dialyn
Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:20 am
#23
O_O I swear.....you must get off on attacking people verbally on this forum, I feel so welcome!! Do you usually converse with people in a condescending manner? Do you get off on getting the last word? I was merely making a counterpoint as the subject line states....you should ALL feel ashamed of yourselves, congratualations you all win the biggest jerk awards.


Also, I am not afk all the time....I have a laptop and If I happen to do be wanting to do something else (like read a book) I just sit it to the side, but always keep on eye on it if I get pms or send invites if I'm leader at the moment. I am NOT afk 24/7 so why don't you read the post before you make a retort, you all obviously failed to do so. I know I can read....can you? Why don't you all just go and read my first post a little bit more...maybe it will sink in then. I don't usually resort to name calling and negativity posting in a forum, but everyone has been so insulting, I felt I had to defend myself since no one else was.



.::. Laurelin (Ahazi) & Chiii (Bria) .::.
SmedleyLlama
Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:48 am
#24




nvoigt wrote:

>But Istill say the life of a Musician or Dancer does change once you reach Master.


What is different is that you no longer need xp. You still do the same things and you still get xp. Earning xpjust becomes meaningless.

I have buffed people when I was non-master. I could do this because there were times in Theed when no master was online. This was prior to buff bots.

I have been part of a band as a non-master.


And most important, I had FUN as a non-master. I fail to see how when you receive your master title, the same things that you did before change from "grinding hell" to "fun gameplay". It's the same buttons you press, the same people you talk to, the same gameplay mechanics.


If you don't have fun a novice, don't expect your mastery to be the silver bullet.






I think my point has been missed somewhere along the line here. Granted I never jumped into this thread looking for an argument and was just tossing in a throw away post but....


You are in greater demand once you Master. You will have people you have never met or heard of suddenly sending you tells asking for you to come to Timbuktu to give them a Buff. I never suggested the game suddenly gets better when you reach Master, or will suddenly become fun if it wasn't before. I only said that your gaming experience will change, and it will.


Just ask those that hide themselves from searches to avoid being bombarded by tells.


Tangleweb
Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:39 am
#25
ut-oh, imay have made one of my guildmembers angry with my last guild mail. i sowwy laurel, talk to me in-game, i'll help ya oot!


Rosaria Caroleema

Ahazi -Master Dancer- -Master Musician- -Master Entertainer-

Owner of the Caroleema Club in Diamond City, Correlia

Founder of Popstars

Diva: 10% talent, 90% attitude




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Tangleweb
Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:11 am
#26
HEY! HEY! HEY!!! put the torches away! i know laurelin in-game, she is one of my guild members, she is also one of the more sociable and responsible entertainers i've met. she uses her macros the same way i do, to free up her fingers to chat; with other players, with guildmates, the peopleshe's in a group with, etc.in the times that i've shared online with her she does occasionally go afk, but rarely for more than 5 minutes, to deal with something irl. now don't anyone tell me that they don't go afk for a few minutes every so often while playing to get a snack or take a poop or whatever. the only way to never do that is to have your comp hooked up in your bathroom, with a mini-fridge next to the sink, while you sit on the commode! i've not seen her go afk for hours on end, mindlessly bot grinding xp. she is considerate enough to just logout if she's going to be gone for more than a few minutes. those are my two cents based onobservationof this player. imho, she is a welcome and responsibleplayer of thisgame, and doesn't deserve to be flamed. and finally as her guild leader, and in-game mentor, i'll will put on my jedi robes and train this young padawan in the ways of the light side of the force.


i need to make community vet so i can start editing my posts. you can do that at vet can't you? anyway...


Rosaria Caroleema

Ahazi -Master Dancer- -Master Musician- -Master Entertainer-

Owner of the Caroleema Club in Diamond City, Corellia

Founder of Popstars

Diva: 10% talent, 90% attitude




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