Entertainer Archive

Thread: AFK Entertainers are the worst!

JevoJamie
Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:34 pm
#14

Ok i will explain futher. I am ATK about 40% of the time with my ent, yes i do enjoy playing it, very much actually. I am just not up for sitting at the keyboard for hours watching myself get xp? what is the point when you can do the same thing and be able to be away from the keyboard? are you saying because im not at they keyboard while grinding my ent that i am doing something wrong? What difference is it wether i am doing it AFK or ATK.


While im ATK im chatting in group with the other ents and we can get a good convo kicking most of the time.


I dont see what all the fuss is about.



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Vorpaks
Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:53 pm
#15

Problem is Phrixis and others, if you afk at all you hurt the other people who need or want to use the space you are in (the cantina). It doesnt matter what end result you are doing it for, it doesnt matter if you feel "forced" to or not, right then, while you are there being an afk ent you are degrading the experience for every other ent who wants to legitimately play and have fun in that area. And obviously, for a lot of the customers too. That is a decision you have made.

I was in a cantina on Flurry when one of the entertainers remarked "Wow! This is the best atk band ever!" (We were having a lot of fun). About 30 seconds later he cheerfully remarked "okay, Im going afk, goodnight all!" I was completely boggled. Didn't he realize, didn't they all realize that by going afk you are creating an unfriendly environment for the rest of the players? Pretty soon the place would be silent and zombie-ridden, just like every other afk cantina.

I can't even begin to imagine what it must be like for a new player to start up in a cantina that is like that. The ones that dont get totally turned off the profession probably decide that this is just the way you are supposed to play it. Many think you have to have a begging macro spam because it must be the only way to get people to watch or tip you. And very few of them learn any of the advanced mechanics because no real master enjoys hanging out in places like that and so no one is available to teach or guide them the way I was taught and guided.

The only way to stop this kind of thing is to simply refuse to do it. It should be easy enough for people who want buffing alts even. On Wanderhome my entertainer character is in corellia mainly. Everyone knows the pit that is Coronet and I refuse to dance there. Instead I've gained all my xp by healing guildies after corvette missions and now JTL. Completely ATK and completely fun.

No matter why you are doing the entertainer profession YOU as an advanced gamer and a decent person can make the decision to not add to the AFK problem. Just. Don't. Do it. It may require a little effort and a little creativity but there are other alternatives than to leave yourself afk in a large public cantina group. And believe me, it is MUCH more satisfying to know that whatever the problem is, you haven't contributed to it, no matter what.

The only person's behavior you can truly control is yourself. The only person who can set a good example is you. YOU make that decision. Not the game.



Paks
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-I support ATK play

akothas
Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:50 pm
#16



I understand your view Paks but I have to disagree. Most of the people on our server (Tempest) love the Idea ofbots. Like I said in an earlier post, its only a very small percentage of people that really love the entertainment professions for what they are and not justmechanics. No matter what you do in life there are always going to be a small percentage of people that disagree with you. In the world of "hurry, hurry, rush, rush" (PVP) we dont have time to try to findATK entertainment, even if it costs us only 10 minutes.


As of now, my bot runs in Coronet. In my macro I direct people to the entertainer's group if they need to be healed. In return, believe it or not, the entertainer group directs people to me for buffs!


If you personally hate bots then that is your opinion, and that is fine. So far I have been running one for 2 weeks and I have gotten nothing but "Thank you" "MayI get a copy of your macro" "I have enhancement tapes if you want some" and a good amount of tips.


It seems 99% of the community enjoys the service. Fact is if we dont have bots we wont have buffs most of the time. Its like picking the lesser of two evils, so I may as well pick the lesser.



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Tralmek
Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:03 am
#17






JevoJamie wrote:

Ok i will explain futher. I am ATK about 40% of the time with my ent, yes i do enjoy playing it, very much actually. I am just not up for sitting at the keyboard for hours watching myself get xp? what is the point when you can do the same thing and be able to be away from the keyboard? are you saying because im not at they keyboard while grinding my ent that i am doing something wrong? What difference is it wether i am doing it AFK or ATK.


While im ATK im chatting in group with the other ents and we can get a good convo kicking most of the time.


I dont see what all the fuss is about.





In-gamexpshould reflect the player'saptitude at playing that profession. Have you ever met a "master" Tailor who doesn't knowwhat goes into anythingexcept for ribbed shirts and toolbelts? What about a "master" Chef who has never heard of Halva? What about an Image Designer who has to ask for explanation when someone asks for holoemotes and not a stat migration?


There are many people out here in Galaxies who have no idea what it is to actually play the professions. Very few people seem to become intimately knowledgable about the professions. Instead, they mindlessly grind them up to master and then they can drag out their master title and say "Look, I'm a Master!" when in reality, they have no clue what it is to be a Master in that profession.


Take it from me, the more you love these professions, the less important xp and levelling becomes. Instead of a grind, it becomes an experience to be savored and enjoyed. Sometimes I really wish for the days before I was a Master Entertainer, Master Musician, Master Dancer, Master Image Designer, Master Artisan, Master Medic, Master Doctor, Master Teras Kasi, or any of the other Masteries I currently hold. The fun is in the journey.





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JevoJamie
Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:34 am
#18






Tralmek wrote:





JevoJamie wrote:

Ok i will explain futher. I am ATK about 40% of the time with my ent, yes i do enjoy playing it, very much actually. I am just not up for sitting at the keyboard for hours watching myself get xp? what is the point when you can do the same thing and be able to be away from the keyboard? are you saying because im not at they keyboard while grinding my ent that i am doing something wrong? What difference is it wether i am doing it AFK or ATK.


While im ATK im chatting in group with the other ents and we can get a good convo kicking most of the time.


I dont see what all the fuss is about.





In-gamexpshould reflect the player'saptitude at playing that profession. Have you ever met a "master" Tailor who doesn't knowwhat goes into anythingexcept for ribbed shirts and toolbelts? What about a "master" Chef who has never heard of Halva? What about an Image Designer who has to ask for explanation when someone asks for holoemotes and not a stat migration?


There are many people out here in Galaxies who have no idea what it is to actually play the professions. Very few people seem to become intimately knowledgable about the professions. Instead, they mindlessly grind them up to master and then they can drag out their master title and say "Look, I'm a Master!" when in reality, they have no clue what it is to be a Master in that profession.


Take it from me, the more you love these professions, the less important xp and levelling becomes. Instead of a grind, it becomes an experience to be savored and enjoyed. Sometimes I really wish for the days before I was a Master Entertainer, Master Musician, Master Dancer, Master Image Designer, Master Artisan, Master Medic, Master Doctor, Master Teras Kasi, or any of the other Masteries I currently hold. The fun is in the journey.







I do not grind to master title for the sake of being a master and i do know what im doing actually. I just do not want to be ATK all the time.



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"The reason we can't find a relationship between CSR and customer is that there is none."

Jevo Jamie ~ TKM/Rifleman/Master Medic - Ahazi

Commisar ~ Master musicain
Sinara-Snake
Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:44 am
#19

I understand what you're saying, but not all entertainers are AFK, some do it because it's a nice social way of getting to know another. With the holo grind gone, not that many AFK-ers except for the ones trying to get to master to be in that profession anyway.



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NeillM
Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:54 am
#20

There has been a marked increase in AFKers in Mos Esley on Intrepid since the start of the Jedi Grind and JtL



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- Nai'ren, Trader, Intrepid
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Xyrdre
Thu Nov 11, 2004 3:11 pm
#21


Numbers of AFKers will of course vary with server and location. But make no mistake - hologrinding is not gone. It's just renamed to FS XP conversion.






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MadLeprechaun
Thu Nov 11, 2004 3:24 pm
#22

i always hated going into the Coronet cantina (that hell hole) during my grind to master musician. I would much rather have sat in the player cantina theat i frequent quite often unfortunately the Dev's think that you should get more experience sitting in a huge group full of musicians not even really playing music. I could get about 3x as much experience making something that doesnt deserved to be called music with a bunch of AFK ents who obviously didnt talk. I should have been able to gegt master just as quickly sitting in my favorite player cantina with my 2 fav masters making beautiful music. anyway point im tryin to make is that the afkers do ruin the prfession for the people that want to do it. When no one is ATK to talk to what then can you do yourself besides walk away from your computer and go watch your new StarWars dvd set......



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N0stalgia
Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:01 am
#23

more people are afk than you think, when I walk into a cantina and shout "60k and lots of xp for an entertainer that is NOT afk" and get no response you know there is something wrong....... entertainers are probably the worst paid proffession (couldnt tell you truthfully but I bet it isnt rewarding) and anyone watching my numerous shouts wouldnt have passed up that oppurtunity



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TK316de
Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:30 pm
#24

Guys.....you know what is even worse than afk entertainers ?

Being the only live ent in a band of 11 and trying to start a good conv with patrons.


Dang, those peeps arent even interested in a good talk...they come in and when you try to start an conversation all you get is "hi".


This is soooo frustrating.


Unfortunately very few ppl appreciate us live entertainers and yet complain about afk peformers.


Just had to get this off my chest



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Esharra
Sat Nov 13, 2004 8:59 am
#25






TK316de wrote:

Guys.....you know what is even worse than afk entertainers ?

Being the only live ent in a band of 11 and trying to start a good conv with patrons.


Dang, those peeps arent even interested in a good talk...they come in and when you try to start an conversation all you get is "hi".


This is soooo frustrating.


Unfortunately very few ppl appreciate us live entertainers and yet complain about afk peformers.


Just had to get this off my chest





Oh no..this is more frustrating...


Having a new player want to join yourtroupe but every time they show up for practice you have to spend most of the allotted time explaining to them how to play the profession because all they ever really learned to do while working their way up the skill boxes was to turn on their macro and walk away.




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3. Smuggler

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