Entertainer Archive
Thread: AFK Entertainers are the worst!
N0stalgia wrote:
I guess my argument is this, why are entertainers allowed to level up while AFK when anyone else would be considered abusing the EULA and getting grounds for a ban? I know you guys don't have the most entertaining job in the world, but why do it if you dont like it?
No idea... but it seems to be allowed under SOEs interpritation of the terms of service.
I have no idea why they do it either, if they like the profession so little my thoughts have always been why do it? Why pay to not do anything at all? My guess is some of them do it to get "Easy" XP for their Force sensative quests or if they are one of the buff bots then they do it for the cash.
If recent messages by the Devs are anything to go by then they will be stopped at some point. My guess is this will, unfortunatly,take a while though.
N0stalgia wrote:
let me start of by saying, i am not an entertainer but I have dabbled in it a lil in my younger years, and I am not here to flame you guys either, it just kind of irks me
Anyways I find it rather upsetting to walk into 99% of cantinas (on eclipse server) and say in spatial "Any non afk entertainers need some XP" and get no reply......... So I look around to see if maybe none have the afk over their head and sure enough 99% of them always do!!! and the ones that dont are masters.... sad thing is I see a lot of masters afk macroing buffing now too, I guess my argument is this, why are entertainers allowed to level up while AFK when anyone else would be considered abusing the EULA and getting grounds for a ban? I know you guys don't have the most entertaining job in the world, but why do it if you dont like it?
1.You are not an entertainer so would have no idea what hell it is to grind (seeing as you only "dabbled in it". Ive had to leave my self afk over night quite alot of times and still have not progressed to far in the skill boxes, i am ATK sometimes but if i was to only grind ATK it would take me weeks of boredom. Its not fair you should expect us to be ATK to deserve XP. If you dont want to give AFK ents xp then dont, no need to complain like this.
2. There is nothing wrong with using the afk macro's, it is only bannable if we are doing it with a 3rd program party.
Flame away i dont care, just stating the truth to those who aregoing to whine that we dont want to be ATK for endless hours having "fun".
JevoJamie wrote:
N0stalgia wrote:
let me start of by saying, i am not an entertainer but I have dabbled in it a lil in my younger years, and I am not here to flame you guys either, it just kind of irks me
Anyways I find it rather upsetting to walk into 99% of cantinas (on eclipse server) and say in spatial "Any non afk entertainers need some XP" and get no reply......... So I look around to see if maybe none have the afk over their head and sure enough 99% of them always do!!! and the ones that dont are masters.... sad thing is I see a lot of masters afk macroing buffing now too, I guess my argument is this, why are entertainers allowed to level up while AFK when anyone else would be considered abusing the EULA and getting grounds for a ban? I know you guys don't have the most entertaining job in the world, but why do it if you dont like it?
1.You are not an entertainer so would have no idea what hell it is to grind (seeing as you only "dabbled in it". Ive had to leave my self afk over night quite alot of times and still have not progressed to far in the skill boxes, i am ATK sometimes but if i was to only grind ATK it would take me weeks of boredom. Its not fair you should expect us to be ATK to deserve XP. If you dont want to give AFK ents xp then dont, no need to complain like this.
2. There is nothing wrong with using the afk macro's, it is only bannable if we are doing it with a 3rd program party.
Flame away i dont care, just stating the truth to those who aregoing to whine that we dont want to be ATK for endless hours having "fun".
hey its quite simple.... If you don't like it and think its not "fun"
don't do it!
No one is forcing you... If you hate it now and its not "hours of fun". Then quit now cause its only more of the same... but don't post as if your an entertainer because if thats your tude, your not in 99% of everyones book, including combatants 
90% of entertainers are afk thats my problem, why do it if you hate your job enough to never be infront of your computer? you're just looking for easy jedi xp
akothas wrote:
For some reason the Devs decided entertainment xp could be converted to Jedi xp.I am a Jedi and I would be feelshamed ifI had gotten it with nothing but entertainment xp. Fact is its an "easy" way out, andsome peopleare going to take the easy way out, especially in an on line game. These people exist, but not so much. Most people grinding Jedi know the mechanics well enough to get it done 1,000X faster.
It is required for combat classes to have mind buffs just to be able to compete in combat. The mechanics of the entertainers appeal to all combat classes, thus you see AFK buff bots. These people dont do entertainer because they like it, in fact they may hate it because it requires time away from combat, so its donemore out of convience. Its like having a doctor alt to them, except it costs nothing (excpet subscription fees). These people control the majority of the AFK entertainers.
The other 1% enjoy the profession. Theylove to sit there and talk to people that walk in to the cantina about god knows what. They can do it for hours and hours and hours and feel quite satisfied they they acomplished something. Its not so much the game to them, just the ability to be part of the community and have a live chat. Being able to do special little dances and play nice little tunes is just icing on the cake.
Not a flame, just a rational statement
Wow. Well said. Hopefully with the combat rebalance, we'll see the end of the ultra dependancy on buffs, thus fewer AFK buffers and XP grinders.
JevoJamie wrote:
N0stalgia wrote:
let me start of by saying, i am not an entertainer but I have dabbled in it a lil in my younger years, and I am not here to flame you guys either, it just kind of irks me
Anyways I find it rather upsetting to walk into 99% of cantinas (on eclipse server) and say in spatial "Any non afk entertainers need some XP" and get no reply......... So I look around to see if maybe none have the afk over their head and sure enough 99% of them always do!!! and the ones that dont are masters.... sad thing is I see a lot of masters afk macroing buffing now too, I guess my argument is this, why are entertainers allowed to level up while AFK when anyone else would be considered abusing the EULA and getting grounds for a ban? I know you guys don't have the most entertaining job in the world, but why do it if you dont like it?
1.You are not an entertainer so would have no idea what hell it is to grind (seeing as you only "dabbled in it". Ive had to leave my self afk over night quite alot of times and still have not progressed to far in the skill boxes, i am ATK sometimes but if i was to only grind ATK it would take me weeks of boredom. Its not fair you should expect us to be ATK to deserve XP. If you dont want to give AFK ents xp then dont, no need to complain like this.
2. There is nothing wrong with using the afk macro's, it is only bannable if we are doing it with a 3rd program party.
Flame away i dont care, just stating the truth to those who aregoing to whine that we dont want to be ATK for endless hours having "fun".
why do you feel that way? do you like afk people who camp spawns? or camp the caves to loot the nifty CA and AA's?
if you do no enjoy playing it then try another proffesion or do you feel that every proffesion from artisan to teras kasi should be able to be done afk?
there are many types of people who play and they pick the proffesion that most closely fits with how they have fun
flame on
Xyrdre wrote:
JevoJamie wrote:
1.You are not an entertainer so would have no idea what hell it is to grind (seeing as you only "dabbled in it". Ive had to leave my self afk over night quite alot of times and still have not progressed to far in the skill boxes, i am ATK sometimes but if i was to only grind ATK it would take me weeks of boredom. Its not fair you should expect us to be ATK to deserve XP. If you dont want to give AFK ents xp then dont, no need to complain like this.
2. There is nothing wrong with using the afk macro's, it is only bannable if we are doing it with a 3rd program party.
Flame away i dont care, just stating the truth to those who aregoing to whine that we dont want to be ATK for endless hours having "fun".
This kind of thingis really still amazing to me. I cannot fathom why someone with such an obvious distaste for playing an entertainer ever took the Novice box in the first place, or kept it after deciding that it was hell to grind, considered the gameplay to be boredom, and has to think sarcasticallyof actually playing a profession that they chose as "fun". Why anyone would choose to spend their time in a type of gameplay that they have zero interest in,yet pay monthly subscription fees for, rather than noting, "hey, this isn't for me" and moving on to something else they do like to do, could make for an astounding psychological study, I'm certain.
This really isn't a flame. I'm not trying to berate you. I'm trying to help you.
It reminds me of an old joke I once heard:
Patient (wrenching his arm up at an awkward anduncomfortable angle): Doctor! Doctor! It hurts when I do this!
Doctor: Then don't do that...
If you have no interest in playing an entertainer, why not use those skill points in an area that you do enjoy? Why not spend your time in a way that you find rewarding? I honestly don't understand. Is someone forcing you to be an 'entertainer' against your will, and if so, how? It just seems that it should be common sense to not do something that you don't find fun in this game, and do something else that you do find to be fun.
Course, the idea that it's not fair to require a player be ATK and playing the game to gain XP is fundamentally flawed.
From a game design standpoint (I am a former professional game designer/developer in the RPG industry), it is not only completely fair to expect players to actuallyplay the game in order to advance their characters, it is vital to a healthy game system. If character rewards require zero effort, they in turn have zero value. Zero value negates the concept of character advancement in the first place.
Experience points are a reward for a player'sactive participation in gameplay. In fact, the reason they're called Experience Points (XP) is that they are a representation of knowledge and ability gained through active practice of the currently known skills and abilities. The idea is that once a player has intimately learned the ins and outs of that level of ability within their character's involvement in the game, their characterstretches their understandingbeyond those limitations,hence acquiring an evenhigher level ofunderstanding of that class/profession's role, and thus advance in levels or skills, depending on the advancement structure. That advancement is earned, not granted on a timetable.XP are not owed to anyone, any more than practical real-world experience is. Try becoming a rocket scientist without studying rocket science... you won't learn it while you sleep, contrary to the claims of some sellers ofnew-age cassette tapes.
Case in point - why are there so many "master" dancers out there who have never heard of band flourishes? Or have no idea that several of the base dances are broken? Or don't know how to buff? Or never noticed that there were more than one variation on each of our special effects? Or can't correct for drift? Or... most importantly... can't read another player to understand what kind of an experience they're seeking in a cantina visit, and then fulfill that, and pull a tip as a result of creating that fun?
They slept while their characterleveled along, automated on an AFKmacro, and the player gained no knowledge whatsoever of how to play a dancer. Had they been there, as a part of the community, they would have learned most if not all of these things.
A title that says 'Master' over their head is meaningless without even the fundamental understandings of how to be a Dancer. Without eventhe basicknowledge of what the profession is about, and the complete lack of effort required to be granted that title... why should the title be perceived tohave any value? And does that not devalue the efforts put forth by those who did learn all of the tricks of the trade, and even go beyond, developing new ones? How could anyone say that there was nothing wrong with this?
That said, the only thing to add is that there is a very large difference between something not being explicitly illegal (as in bannable), and something being wrong. For the moment, AFKing entire entertainer professions is not viewed as illegal by SOE... but that does not mean that it is not wrong.
Those are the real truths.
I guess I am not quite sure what you are getting at ... Are you talking about people that AFK their way to the top to actually play their entertainer professions? Or are you talking about AFK entertainers grindingfor the mechanics?
If you are talking about someone that AFK's their way to the top to then start playing their profession and chatting in the cantina then yes I can totally agree. If you actually like the class and want to play it I see no need to have to AFK that specific class. I didnt grind my way up theJedi tree AFK one bit. It took quite a while, but I love the profession so much that I had done it all by hand. To this day I spend 90% of my time logged in with my Jedi, even if I have nothing to do.
I was what you would consider a "hologrinder" back in the day. I had done 24 professions to unlock. Some professions I did completely legit, some I AFK'd. It all depended on how interesting it was to me. There were about 10 professions I used no macros whatsoever, 10 I used loop macros, and 4 or so I did AFK because I hated it and was an acceptable form of play according to the Devs. Dont get me wrong, I didnt only AFK the profession because I hated it, I also hated the fact that I had to AFK it do get it done. Both AFKing a profession and playing a profession you dont like sucks. Its too bad the system was made in a way you had to do something you didnt like to get the result you wanted. If I could have started as a Jedi (pay extra cash, whatever) I would have never had need or want to AFK anything.
Most of the AFK entertainers are not AFKing their way to the top to sit and chat. Most are doing it so they can get the mechanics. Its pretty much like hologrinding in smaller terms, doing something you dont want to just for the desired end result. To me its worth $15 a month to be able to buff my mind any time I need it, although the actual profession of entertaining others does not appeal to me whatsoever. Helping others in things I like to do does appeal to me, thus I personally like the AFK buff bots (please dont flame) I use the mechanics of the entertainer to help meand my friends play the game WE love, pvp and combat. If there was a better way of doing things I would jump on it, but fact is there isnt.
Mabey it will change with the combat revamp ... perhaps mind buffs bots wont beneeded for us combat people that dislike "entertaining" to be able to compete, perhaps there will be no need for bots, perhaps entertainers will get the upgrade they deserve, perhaps .. perhaps ... perhaps..