Entertainer Archive
Thread: What a lovely new breed of Chimaera Entertainers *cough* *sigh*
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Warryyr
Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:38 am
#14
Um, it looks to me like you were propositioning her to cyber. Also, I fail to see how "MUCH" she emoted, since she SAID "Hi" and then just did a /wink. So what? So, you say, "That won'tget you a tip." That looks to me like you want here to "earn" her money, which in many people's eyes would mean you wanted some certain...favors...if she wanted your credits.
And that's very much how she took it. And yeah, I would say that English probably wasn't her primary language.
By starting your conversation with "That won't get youa tip" you've insinuated that "something" WILL get her a tip - and given the piggish and crude animals that proposition Entertainers everyday, it's no surprise she reacted how she did ("you don't seem to have good conversation," "and what about I don't want to talk to guy like you").
You didn't seem to understand how you came off at all.You replied "guy like me? Like what exactly?"
And she said, "I really don't want your money" Nor your conversation."
And your response? "Lol"
Which basically reassured her, yes, you wanted her to do things for you to get your money. i.e. she "called you on it."
So yeah - she thought you were trying to get her to cyber with you for credits.
All I can recommend to you is treat a /tip like you were tipping a waitress. Wait until AFTER the service to complain, instead of dangling your money in front of someone's face and saying "That's not going to earn you a tip." Know what that would get you, if you said that to a slightly rude waitress at a restaurant while she was taking your order? Even worse service, to tell you, "Keep your money, **edit**hole." And, maybe some mysterious "stuff" in your food, or your pieces of wheat toast get licked since she has a cold.
The last thing people who work for tips want to be reminded of is -that they work for tips. Very handy information.
Your initial "proposition" was misunderstood, and you failed to communicate effectively. It would have been nobler of you to improve her conversational skills by tipping her so-so and saying AFTER her services, "If you didn't emote as much, I'd tip more - AFK people can emote in a macro, you're Live so conversing more might get you big tips." I remind you again, though - she did a /wink. And then, you dangled your money out like you were hoping for a strip show or something, without just - conversing.
So, I really think the communication failed on your side, because you started off with an awkward statement and told her basically, "Honey, you better work for your money and converse with me,if it's my money you want." She, understandably, responded "Keep your money and conversation." And, to top it all off, you got on here case when all she did was /wink.
lekkuboogie
Tue Dec 07, 2004 5:46 am
#15
First off...you stopped this girl cold in her tracks. "That won't get you a tip"...??!!?? How about, instead, "How are you tonight?" If the wink offends you, (and many times I have wished for a 'knowing wink' or a 'playful wink' ...SOE gave us the 'suggestive wink' *shrug*) why not /chuckle (polite, friendly) and say something like "A lovely dancer need not give a suggestive winkto a gentleman customer, such as I ... I purely enjoy your grace and pleasant conversation" ...?? See?
A response like that would tell her "don't come on to me, if thats what you just did"...compliment her as lovely, and give her a clue as to what you want...conversation! You sounded exactly like you were 'wanting other talents' ... and I would have said to you "That comment won't get you ANYTHING" .../deny /addignore ... you don't exsist to me at that point.
I know its frustrating on both the customer and the entertainer side...I have had several dancers on several servers, beginning right after launch and consistantly until now. But that sort of interaction with a (probably new, probably non-english speaking) dancer is just going to make things worse.
A dancer in this game has to have a thick skin ... and dedication ... to be ATK and excell at his/her profession.
I get guys all the time who sit down right in front of meand go AFK and I don't have any idea if they are there or not, I often do just as she did...'Hello' plus random /wink /smile..whatever. Sometimes the guy says nothing...AFK already. Sometimes he says 'going AFK'. Thanks for the info, so I don't type out a big long sentence and wonder ...?. Sometimes he /smile back at me. Others start a civil conversation. Once in a while a guy is outright lewd or rude. More often than not... a hello and a /wink may be the only exchange, he doesn't make conversation.. doesnt want to, doesn't have time, he's busy in tells or guildchat...as he leaves, a /tip comes across my screen, sometimes with a /tell saying 'thanks'...every so often I get a -----8----@ 
Now, if she had done a /beckon and a /lick...followed by /ache....(and didn't know you ) ...you might have had room tobash her. She did nothing wrong, and I think most dancers would have thought exactly what I and others did "hmm, another creep in her to cruise". What did you want from her, "Hello, <inset name> Welcome to <insert cantina> this fine <insert time of day> !!! I see youve taken a break from <insert profession> my, but the members of <insert guild> must be so proud of you! How many xp did you get tonight? What's your battle fatigue at the moment? Oh, and what a fine suit of <insert type of armor here> you have! How sporty!! ".......
......riiiiiight
/wink
OrianaM
Fri Dec 17, 2004 9:16 am
#17
wyx1 wrote:
Personally I thought you where pratically griefing.
Amen there! I know if someone replies backt ot me with "That won't get you a tip." to my attempts to be nice to a person I would take it as a personal insult, then there attempts at teaching me ettiquette would most likely result in them being /addignore - ed. That came off as being very rude.
ASHRID
Tue Dec 21, 2004 4:55 am
#18
Having been a Master Ent myself I dont see why people think that an 'Entertainer' need to do anything to 'earn' money beyond healing mind wounds and BF (by entertaining) - you dont ask your Doc to give you deep and meaningful conversation when getting healed or buffed (in fact most Docs would be too busy to stop and chat) so why is it expected of entertainers?
if you really are in character an entertainer would either be too busy concentrating on playing/dancing or too out of breath (or be blowing on an instrument) to hold a conversation anyway
This is just another manifestation of how other players belittle the abilities of an entertainer, begrudge having to use them and dont true value their services enough to pay them
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